Dan Morgan (merged)

Cassady37 · 03-07-2008, 02:09 PM

Five concussions and a partially torn achilles, (which, by the way, gives a greater increase for a full rupture of the same tendon or the one opposite of it) for a bargain-basement price and a player who may never see the field. Or pay a little extra for a player that has a great chance of solidifying your LB corps and actually being on the field and contributing in a much greater way. I'd still take the chance on Takeo. And considering the gambling results of the Saints, I still like my odds better.

AsylumGuido · 03-07-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

Five concussions and a partially torn achilles, (which, by the way, gives a greater increase for a full rupture of the same tendon or the one opposite of it) for a bargain-basement price and a player who may never see the field. Or pay a little extra for a player that has a great chance of solidifying your LB corps and actually being on the field and contributing in a much greater way. I'd still take the chance on Takeo. And considering the gambling results of the Saints, I still like my odds better.

Don't forget that Spikes is damaged goods, as well. He missed the final two games last year with a shoulder injury which required off-season surgery. He also missed four games in 2006 and played in just THREE games in 2005.

darby · 03-07-2008, 02:25 PM

He's a good pickup right up until the point where he lowers his helmet to tackle a 225# running back, blacks out, then pisses his pants. Hope he had a lifetime supply of Depends worked into his contract somewhere. Bad move. He'll end up on the bench soon enough....drooling.

Cassady37 · 03-07-2008, 02:50 PM

And if you'll compare career games and stats you'll see Morgan has missed quite a bit more games in recent years than Spikes has and Takeo's numbers are definietly better. And considering the types of injuries both players have, I'd still take my plug-in chances on Spikes. But, alas, it's really a mute point seeing how the brain-trust in the FO has pretty much made it's move. I'm just saying I would've took my chances with anyone besides a habitual concussion magnet.

Euphoria · 03-07-2008, 03:04 PM

Morgan is a better pass rusher than Spikes.

Cassady37 · 03-07-2008, 03:18 PM

"Morgan is a better pass rusher than Spikes."

Which would be good if 1- he lasts past the first hit
and 2- if we had any defensive package resembling rushing a LB on a blitz.

AsylumGuido · 03-07-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

And if you'll compare career games and stats you'll see Morgan has missed quite a bit more games in recent years than Spikes has and Takeo's numbers are definietly better. And considering the types of injuries both players have, I'd still take my plug-in chances on Spikes. But, alas, it's really a mute point seeing how the brain-trust in the FO has pretty much made it's move. I'm just saying I would've took my chances with anyone besides a habitual concussion magnet.

True. But it could be that management is looking for a high reward/low risk (cap wise) solution while still targeting a Keith Rivers or Dan Connor in the draft longterm.

Timing may have been another issue. Wasn't Spikes officially released AFTER Morgan was signed? May be wrong on this but I know Spikes was released yesterday (Thursday) and I thought the Morgan deal was finalized either late Wednesday or early Thursday.

Anyone know the timeline?

AsylumGuido · 03-07-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

"Morgan is a better pass rusher than Spikes."

Which would be good if 1- he lasts past the first hit
and 2- if we had any defensive package resembling rushing a LB on a blitz.

We didn't have much of a cornerback blitz package coming into this past season and saw it quite often. With Morgan on that weakside we could see some of that.

Cassady37 · 03-07-2008, 03:32 PM

We can only hope we are targeting Rivers, that would be worth the gap-stop pick-up of Morgan. And yes, as a former defensive player I want more blitzes and from everywhere, not the same damn ones everytime you blitz. I have hated our D-coordinator the last few years because of his mediocre schemes. Granted the players were not the best, but you hide them using unpredictable play-calls and blitzes not leave them on islands with no pressure on opposing QBs. Ok, ok, stop, this is a new year, a new chance, calm down....1,2,3,4........(sigh)....I'm better now.

03-07-2008, 02:09 PM	#41
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) Five concussions and a partially torn achilles, (which, by the way, gives a greater increase for a full rupture of the same tendon or the one opposite of it) for a bargain-basement price and a player who may never see the field. Or pay a little extra for a player that has a great chance of solidifying your LB corps and actually being on the field and contributing in a much greater way. I'd still take the chance on Takeo. And considering the gambling results of the Saints, I still like my odds better.

03-07-2008, 02:18 PM	#42
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) Originally Posted by Cassady37 Five concussions and a partially torn achilles, (which, by the way, gives a greater increase for a full rupture of the same tendon or the one opposite of it) for a bargain-basement price and a player who may never see the field. Or pay a little extra for a player that has a great chance of solidifying your LB corps and actually being on the field and contributing in a much greater way. I'd still take the chance on Takeo. And considering the gambling results of the Saints, I still like my odds better. Don't forget that Spikes is damaged goods, as well. He missed the final two games last year with a shoulder injury which required off-season surgery. He also missed four games in 2006 and played in just THREE games in 2005.

03-07-2008, 02:25 PM	#43
darby Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) He's a good pickup right up until the point where he lowers his helmet to tackle a 225# running back, blacks out, then pisses his pants. Hope he had a lifetime supply of Depends worked into his contract somewhere. Bad move. He'll end up on the bench soon enough....drooling.
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03-07-2008, 02:50 PM	#44
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) And if you'll compare career games and stats you'll see Morgan has missed quite a bit more games in recent years than Spikes has and Takeo's numbers are definietly better. And considering the types of injuries both players have, I'd still take my plug-in chances on Spikes. But, alas, it's really a mute point seeing how the brain-trust in the FO has pretty much made it's move. I'm just saying I would've took my chances with anyone besides a habitual concussion magnet.

03-07-2008, 03:04 PM	#45
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03-07-2008, 03:18 PM	#46
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) "Morgan is a better pass rusher than Spikes." Which would be good if 1- he lasts past the first hit and 2- if we had any defensive package resembling rushing a LB on a blitz.

03-07-2008, 03:22 PM	#47
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) Originally Posted by Cassady37 And if you'll compare career games and stats you'll see Morgan has missed quite a bit more games in recent years than Spikes has and Takeo's numbers are definietly better. And considering the types of injuries both players have, I'd still take my plug-in chances on Spikes. But, alas, it's really a mute point seeing how the brain-trust in the FO has pretty much made it's move. I'm just saying I would've took my chances with anyone besides a habitual concussion magnet. True. But it could be that management is looking for a high reward/low risk (cap wise) solution while still targeting a Keith Rivers or Dan Connor in the draft longterm. Timing may have been another issue. Wasn't Spikes officially released AFTER Morgan was signed? May be wrong on this but I know Spikes was released yesterday (Thursday) and I thought the Morgan deal was finalized either late Wednesday or early Thursday. Anyone know the timeline?

03-07-2008, 03:24 PM	#48
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) Originally Posted by Cassady37 "Morgan is a better pass rusher than Spikes." Which would be good if 1- he lasts past the first hit and 2- if we had any defensive package resembling rushing a LB on a blitz. We didn't have much of a cornerback blitz package coming into this past season and saw it quite often. With Morgan on that weakside we could see some of that.

03-07-2008, 03:32 PM	#49
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Re: Dan Morgan (merged) We can only hope we are targeting Rivers, that would be worth the gap-stop pick-up of Morgan. And yes, as a former defensive player I want more blitzes and from everywhere, not the same damn ones everytime you blitz. I have hated our D-coordinator the last few years because of his mediocre schemes. Granted the players were not the best, but you hide them using unpredictable play-calls and blitzes not leave them on islands with no pressure on opposing QBs. Ok, ok, stop, this is a new year, a new chance, calm down....1,2,3,4........(sigh)....I'm better now.