How would you "fix" the O

QBREES9 · 03-23-2008, 09:13 PM

Pass blocking GREAT !!!! run blocking.....for Deuce and Reggie can't really open holes. Stecker and Thomas yes we can.

Henderson catch the ball thats your only job. I agree April 15 will tell us alot.

SapperSaint · 03-23-2008, 09:35 PM

As much as I am going to enjoy eating crow right now.....

Draft Mendenhall in the first (I said I would die if we drafted a "O" player in the first two rounds) Yum, Yum, it's even better with a dash of "Tony's".

Move Reggie to a "Special" wideout

Make PT23 the number one RB until Duece is healed.

BIGEASY504 · 03-24-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

This is a corresponding thread to the fixing the D thread.

As I see it the Saints O last year had 4 fundamental problems:

1) Turnovers
2) Drops
3) Inconsistent running game
4) Injuries

Now that free agency is winding down, it's clear that on offense that the Saints pretty much decided to stand pat, essentially resigning all their free agents except for Faine.

So how do the Saints solve the four (or any others that you'd like to list) fundamental problems on the offensive side of the ball?

Have at it.

SFIAH

I think we would have won maybe 3 extra games if the coaching staff had used PT earlier in the year after Deuce went down. That would have taken #3 off your list. You really can’t stop/avoid injuries but the coaching staff put a strain on Bush that he wore out and end result was an injury, Brees bad pass which cause Deuce to go up and come down awkwardly. The decision process when injuries do occur is what really got me last year.

To me drops are a mental thing which I believe this year that should be diminished quite a bit, now the turnovers is another story which if not mistaken came mainly from Bush and I think that’s because they were trying to make him a feature back (we all know he’s not built for that type of pounding)

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-24-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

As much as I am going to enjoy eating crow right now.....

Draft Mendenhall in the first (I said I would die if we drafted a "O" player in the first two rounds) Yum, Yum, it's even better with a dash of "Tony's".

Move Reggie to a "Special" wideout

Make PT23 the number one RB until Duece is healed.

I'm not sure why we'd spend yet another #1 pick on a back. As pointed out elsewhere Mendenhall was a backup to PT23.

Drafting a back makes no sense simply because Coach Payton doesn't gear his offense to running the football. The Saints were #1 in attempts, #1 in completions, #3 in passing yards last year. No back is going to change that.

Just my 2 cents,

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-24-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504

I think we would have won maybe 3 extra games if the coaching staff had used PT earlier in the year after Deuce went down. That would have taken #3 off your list.

I'm fine with that. I just wonder if the staff feels the same way.

You really can’t stop/avoid injuries but the coaching staff put a strain on Bush that he wore out and end result was an injury, Brees bad pass which cause Deuce to go up and come down awkwardly. The decision process when injuries do occur is what really got me last year.

And that's really what I'm trying to address.

To me drops are a mental thing which I believe this year that should be diminished quite a bit,

The Saints would have been the best offense in the league last year if they had simply held on to the ball.

now the turnovers is another story which if not mistaken came mainly from Bush and I think that’s because they were trying to make him a feature back (we all know he’s not built for that type of pounding)

You are mistaken. Brees had 18 picks. While some were not his fault (Johnson's giving away a couple come to mind), Brees in fact had a direct and significant impact on the turnover margin.

SFIAH

rjakapeanut · 03-24-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

The biggest question is what happens April 15th. Besides having to pay taxes, Deuce may retire or the Saints may cut him. This changes everything. What was wrong with our running game last year is that we had a utility player playing RB in Stecker. Sure the guy did ok but we need a true RB that can gain 1000 yards sharing time with Reggie. We need someone so we don't have to lead the league in pass attempts and drops. If Pierre Thomas is so great, why couldn't he beat our Stecker?

I'd have to say that he DID beat stecker. I think Pierres performance against the Bears was alot better than Steckers overall performance when he started his 3 or 4 games.

we were just too stubborn to let Pierre start.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: How would you "fix" the O Pass blocking GREAT !!!! run blocking.....for Deuce and Reggie can't really open holes. Stecker and Thomas yes we can. Henderson catch the ball thats your only job. I agree April 15 will tell us alot.
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03-23-2008, 09:35 PM	#22
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: How would you "fix" the O As much as I am going to enjoy eating crow right now..... Draft Mendenhall in the first (I said I would die if we drafted a "O" player in the first two rounds) Yum, Yum, it's even better with a dash of "Tony's". Move Reggie to a "Special" wideout Make PT23 the number one RB until Duece is healed.

03-24-2008, 02:43 PM	#23
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: How would you "fix" the O Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL This is a corresponding thread to the fixing the D thread. As I see it the Saints O last year had 4 fundamental problems: 1) Turnovers 2) Drops 3) Inconsistent running game 4) Injuries Now that free agency is winding down, it's clear that on offense that the Saints pretty much decided to stand pat, essentially resigning all their free agents except for Faine. So how do the Saints solve the four (or any others that you'd like to list) fundamental problems on the offensive side of the ball? Have at it. SFIAH I think we would have won maybe 3 extra games if the coaching staff had used PT earlier in the year after Deuce went down. That would have taken #3 off your list. You really can’t stop/avoid injuries but the coaching staff put a strain on Bush that he wore out and end result was an injury, Brees bad pass which cause Deuce to go up and come down awkwardly. The decision process when injuries do occur is what really got me last year. To me drops are a mental thing which I believe this year that should be diminished quite a bit, now the turnovers is another story which if not mistaken came mainly from Bush and I think that’s because they were trying to make him a feature back (we all know he’s not built for that type of pounding)
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03-24-2008, 04:16 PM	#24
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: How would you "fix" the O Originally Posted by SapperSaint As much as I am going to enjoy eating crow right now..... Draft Mendenhall in the first (I said I would die if we drafted a "O" player in the first two rounds) Yum, Yum, it's even better with a dash of "Tony's". Move Reggie to a "Special" wideout Make PT23 the number one RB until Duece is healed. I'm not sure why we'd spend yet another #1 pick on a back. As pointed out elsewhere Mendenhall was a backup to PT23. Drafting a back makes no sense simply because Coach Payton doesn't gear his offense to running the football. The Saints were #1 in attempts, #1 in completions, #3 in passing yards last year. No back is going to change that. Just my 2 cents, SFIAH

03-24-2008, 04:21 PM	#25
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: How would you "fix" the O Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 I think we would have won maybe 3 extra games if the coaching staff had used PT earlier in the year after Deuce went down. That would have taken #3 off your list. I'm fine with that. I just wonder if the staff feels the same way. You really can’t stop/avoid injuries but the coaching staff put a strain on Bush that he wore out and end result was an injury, Brees bad pass which cause Deuce to go up and come down awkwardly. The decision process when injuries do occur is what really got me last year. And that's really what I'm trying to address. To me drops are a mental thing which I believe this year that should be diminished quite a bit, The Saints would have been the best offense in the league last year if they had simply held on to the ball. now the turnovers is another story which if not mistaken came mainly from Bush and I think that’s because they were trying to make him a feature back (we all know he’s not built for that type of pounding) You are mistaken. Brees had 18 picks. While some were not his fault (Johnson's giving away a couple come to mind), Brees in fact had a direct and significant impact on the turnover margin. SFIAH

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rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: How would you "fix" the O Originally Posted by foreverfan The biggest question is what happens April 15th. Besides having to pay taxes, Deuce may retire or the Saints may cut him. This changes everything. What was wrong with our running game last year is that we had a utility player playing RB in Stecker. Sure the guy did ok but we need a true RB that can gain 1000 yards sharing time with Reggie. We need someone so we don't have to lead the league in pass attempts and drops. If Pierre Thomas is so great, why couldn't he beat our Stecker? I'd have to say that he DID beat stecker. I think Pierres performance against the Bears was alot better than Steckers overall performance when he started his 3 or 4 games. we were just too stubborn to let Pierre start.
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