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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Just a passing thought: Dorsey and Ellis are mentioned together as the two top ten DT in this year's draft. Can anyone give a quick rundown of similarities and differences between the two? Is there any significant possibility that either ...

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Old 04-13-2008, 09:34 AM   #1
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Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

Just a passing thought: Dorsey and Ellis are mentioned together as the two top ten DT in this year's draft.

Can anyone give a quick rundown of similarities and differences between the two?

Is there any significant possibility that either could turn out to be, as much as I hate to say it, the next J. Sullivan?

Final question: How far up would you reach in order to snag each?

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Old 04-13-2008, 09:56 AM   #2
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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

Small and lack bulk. both are quick and strong. A hard worker with terrific intangibles.
There really is not a world of difference outside of an inch for Dorsey and a couple of more pounds for Ellis. Dorsey is a bit stronger on the field with longer arms.
That sums it quickly. The same players. Speedy three-technique DTs in a 43 defense.

Sullivan? nah but you did scare me for a second.

Oakland or KC in order to get Dorsey if he falls that far. Thats our first and second round picks to get there.

New England or Baltimore to get Ellis. That is a 1 and 3.

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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

Thanks Hagan,

Would both be worth trading 2 first day draft picks?

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Old 04-13-2008, 10:24 AM   #4
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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

Glenn Dorsey Scouting Report - 2008 NFL Draft Prospect

Sedrick Ellis Scouting Report - 2008 NFL Draft Prospect

That's their draft bios via NFL Draft Countdown. But my views are different from theirs and I'll share my opinion on the two... bare in mind, I'm no expert and this is just from what I see from watching the two.

Glen Dorsey - strong, explosive, excellent penetrator who should average 5 or 6 sacks a year. He reminds me a little of La'Roi Glover... who was a multiple time Pro Bowler as we all know. I think if the team that drafts him lines him up primarily at NT, they wouldn't take full advantage of his skill set and he wouldn't have as a successful career as he should. I am not labeling him as a 3-4 or 4-3 guy. I feel as if he will succeed in either system... just that he has a chance to be a superstar in a 4-3 compared to just solid pro in a 3-4.

Sedrick Ellis - I don't feel as strongly in him as I do in Dorsey as a pass rusher. I think he'll be better against the run than Dorsey and will do a better job occupying blockers to free up linebackers behind him. I also feel he'll be productive in either system and like Dorsey, well make any team happy to have him. Also, he doesn't have an injury history that should cause any concern which is obviously a plus.

As far as how landing either... I don't feel as if we have any realistic chance landing Dorsey. Ellis on the other hand, I think we can but we'll definitely have to jump Cincinnati if we have any shot at him. KC and New England look like logical trading partners for both teams. If KC's targeting an OT as they've been mocked to, trading down to 10 should still land them Clady, Albert, or Otah. If New England is targeting a CB as they're projected to select... DRC, Jenkins, or McKelvin would be there at 10 also.

Once again, this is just my opinion and I'm aware of what those draft bios state.

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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

i would move up to five to get dorsey, i would stay put at ten and hope ellis falls.
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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

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i would move up to five to get dorsey, i would stay put at ten and hope ellis falls.
Unfortunately there's virtually no chance of Ellis falling to 10 with Cincinnati at 9. As for Dorsey, it all seems to depend on St. Louis and Atlanta. St. Louis could go with Jake Long if Miami decides to go with Chris Long and Arthur Blank may exert enough influence on Dimitrov to pick Ryan at #3. With Oakland already paying that no name part timer $50 million to play tackle, KC really needing to upgrade the Oline, after #3 there is actually a shot of Dorsey dropping into the second half of the 1st round.

But Ellis will not make it past 9. The Saints would have to jump up to 8 or 7 to get the guy.

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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

I think whomever NE ends up drafting will be the guy we wanted. Ryan could drop to Baltimore, who would take him in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, that still leaves a couple of teams who just could not pass up Ellis.

I don't think getting Ellis instead of Rivers is worth a second rounder, especially the #40 pick.
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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

My friend's brother is a scout for the Jags and I've asked him about alot of the guys that we talk about on this board. In regards to Ellis he told me that he isn't a good athlete and he's slew footed. He had to explain that slew footed means that a players feet point out when they run and that hurts agility.

He thinks Dorsey will be a good pro but not the second coming of Sapp. He said that Dorsey should be a much better pass rusher in the NFL because offenses won't be able to put two or three guys on him every down.

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Old 04-13-2008, 07:35 PM   #9
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Re: Draft experts: Are Dorsey and Ellis peas in a pod?

Thats the difference. Not to much. Knock kneed and the other is slew footed.
I would make a move on either on because I am not sold on the options in round one in the top 15 except some of the OL prospects. Even then I have never been 100% sold on Elis. He will be good but ....
Go for broke if Chris Long does not go #1. Then see what kind of trade value you can get for Grant or Smith with the Rams.

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