Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

In my opinion it would be a greater benefit to not move up if the Falcons want Dorsey with all the offensive talent they could choose from if they decide to draft a big body to clog up the defensive line who cares. After all the protection our line gave Brees last year and after reading our talent scouts say we will be better this year without our starting center I dont expect the Falcons will give us much to worry about.
If the Falcons want to pass on a franchise QB or skip on the game-changing talent of Mcfadden why in the heck would we want to trade up ahead of them and screw it up. Let them draft a 300 lb athelet to stuff the run as they play from behind all year. We atleast have a couple of positions that need to be upgraded the Falcons have 2 offense and defense.
Just to clarify no harm in suggesting we should trade up to get Dorsey because he is great and he played at LSU but lets not defend it by hoping to beat the Falcons to him. If I knew for sure the Falcons wanted him I would say no way to trading up let them get a new DT we can move the ball on anyone.

Are we talking about the same Dorsey??? Glen Dorsey out of LSU right???
Well the thing you fail to realize or mention is that Dorsey isn't the run stuffer that you claim. Dorsey is the game changer... Dorsey is the Pass Rusher... Dorsey is the disrupter... You take your eye off of him or don't game plan this guy you will lose. You don't see it a lot in football where a DT who can single handedly win games... thats never been said about a DT. There is no illusion that if he came out last year he would be a top 4 pick and none this year that we won't end up being a top 4 pick this year.

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft!

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

CantonLegend · 04-20-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 12:29 PM

Yes it was... read the other posts.

Why does people thing it will cost us next years pick... read the article. Its only going to cost us this years 2nd rounder. Maybe sweaten the deal with 6 or 7 but the discussion was only for the second rounder!!!
That is a bargin!

rjakapeanut · 04-20-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it

it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing.

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by rjakapeanut

it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing.

If you have a chance to get a special player like Dorsey I agree, you take it. The costs are little and worth it. It will shore up our aging DT's for awhile.

Also some people put a lot into drafts but I am begining to think this whole draft thing is over rated. There is always FA now a days to make up for not having enough draft picks. I think if you have a sure thing. GO for it.

FrenzyFan · 04-21-2008, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers.

There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points.

BRSaintsFan · 04-21-2008, 08:22 AM

I am also fine making the move or staying put and making the right picks. I hope you are not implying that a 2nd rick pick is a sure thing because for every all-pro, hall of famer, or starter picked that you can name, you can likely name 3 or 4 complete busts or average backup players. I dont think the basis for moving up should be that you will not get any quality in the second round because that is not true. But to have an impact player like Dorsey with the potential to be one of the best IMO is worth losing that 2nd round pick.

jeanpierre · 04-21-2008, 08:43 AM

We should avoid the mistakes of the Chiefs and Raiders where you draft based upon a divisional rival rather than what gets your team to the Big Dance...I like Dorsey, but didn't the trade for Ricky Williams teach mgt and fans a lesson about giving up value picks in R's2-5?!?

BRSaintsFan · 04-21-2008, 09:45 AM

Sure did, but we are not talking about drafting based on a division rival - we are drafting for need and for arguably the best player in the draft. And we are not talking about trading our entire draft for the move. We are giving up 1 pick.

04-20-2008, 10:51 AM	#101
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by dasaints26 In my opinion it would be a greater benefit to not move up if the Falcons want Dorsey with all the offensive talent they could choose from if they decide to draft a big body to clog up the defensive line who cares. After all the protection our line gave Brees last year and after reading our talent scouts say we will be better this year without our starting center I dont expect the Falcons will give us much to worry about. If the Falcons want to pass on a franchise QB or skip on the game-changing talent of Mcfadden why in the heck would we want to trade up ahead of them and screw it up. Let them draft a 300 lb athelet to stuff the run as they play from behind all year. We atleast have a couple of positions that need to be upgraded the Falcons have 2 offense and defense. Just to clarify no harm in suggesting we should trade up to get Dorsey because he is great and he played at LSU but lets not defend it by hoping to beat the Falcons to him. If I knew for sure the Falcons wanted him I would say no way to trading up let them get a new DT we can move the ball on anyone. Are we talking about the same Dorsey??? Glen Dorsey out of LSU right??? Well the thing you fail to realize or mention is that Dorsey isn't the run stuffer that you claim. Dorsey is the game changer... Dorsey is the Pass Rusher... Dorsey is the disrupter... You take your eye off of him or don't game plan this guy you will lose. You don't see it a lot in football where a DT who can single handedly win games... thats never been said about a DT. There is no illusion that if he came out last year he would be a top 4 pick and none this year that we won't end up being a top 4 pick this year.
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04-20-2008, 10:56 AM	#102
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft! Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up??? or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

04-20-2008, 11:57 AM	#103
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by Euphoria Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up??? or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY! Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it
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04-20-2008, 12:29 PM	#104
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Yes it was... read the other posts. Why does people thing it will cost us next years pick... read the article. Its only going to cost us this years 2nd rounder. Maybe sweaten the deal with 6 or 7 but the discussion was only for the second rounder!!! That is a bargin!

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rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing.
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04-20-2008, 03:39 PM	#106
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by rjakapeanut it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing. If you have a chance to get a special player like Dorsey I agree, you take it. The costs are little and worth it. It will shore up our aging DT's for awhile. Also some people put a lot into drafts but I am begining to think this whole draft thing is over rated. There is always FA now a days to make up for not having enough draft picks. I think if you have a sure thing. GO for it.
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04-21-2008, 08:22 AM	#108
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! I am also fine making the move or staying put and making the right picks. I hope you are not implying that a 2nd rick pick is a sure thing because for every all-pro, hall of famer, or starter picked that you can name, you can likely name 3 or 4 complete busts or average backup players. I dont think the basis for moving up should be that you will not get any quality in the second round because that is not true. But to have an impact player like Dorsey with the potential to be one of the best IMO is worth losing that 2nd round pick.

04-21-2008, 08:43 AM	#109
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04-21-2008, 09:45 AM	#110
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Sure did, but we are not talking about drafting based on a division rival - we are drafting for need and for arguably the best player in the draft. And we are not talking about trading our entire draft for the move. We are giving up 1 pick.