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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; naw mem.....im not a college scout of players....i scout teams coming up on our schedule....usually when i scout teams players jump out at me.....i dont scout for the draft or ne thing....but....i am not a genious...but most of the coaches ...

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Old 05-15-2008, 10:30 AM   #41
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naw mem.....im not a college scout of players....i scout teams coming up on our schedule....usually when i scout teams players jump out at me.....i dont scout for the draft or ne thing....but....i am not a genious...but most of the coaches in the nfl are....most of the ppl in the front office are even smarter...if that manny ppl passed on PT in the draft its because he seriously lacked something coming out of college that is needed to be a starter in the NFL...idk what it was...but it was something....Tony Romo was a freak accident....Marques Colston was a freak accident....i think we have the mindset that since we drafted Colston that all of our picks will pan out...hopefully they do....but if they dont it just shows that even draft picks arent guarenteed....so...if they arent even guarenteed....what makes u think that an undrafted guy can be?....lets see....32 teams....45 players on each team....1440 players in the entire league not including practice squad....how many do u think start as undrafted free agents?.....maybe 30?....maybe....and thats including starters on ST

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Old 05-15-2008, 03:38 PM   #42
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?

Saying someone is a "freak accident" is a cop-out.

Not many players make it as undrafted players - but the ones that do are not "accidents", they're talented guys who were overlooked for whatever reason.
Fast Willie Parker is much more productive than Cedric Benson. On draft day, it might have been "obvious" to those who put a lot of stock in draft position that Benson was better - after all, 30+ teams passed on Parker through 7 rounds, so he's "obviously" not very good!
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Originally Posted by stylee10 View Post
Saying someone is a "freak accident" is a cop-out.

Not many players make it as undrafted players - but the ones that do are not "accidents", they're talented guys who were overlooked for whatever reason.
Fast Willie Parker is much more productive than Cedric Benson. On draft day, it might have been "obvious" to those who put a lot of stock in draft position that Benson was better - after all, 30+ teams passed on Parker through 7 rounds, so he's "obviously" not very good!
ok with reference to willie parker and tony romo specifically....i dont think they would be the players they are today had it not been for great player to player mentorship and the teaching of position coaches as well as others....i think that the system a player falls into may have a lot to do with the success of the player....case in point pierre..but lets take this a step further...reggie could have been a bust...it has yet to be seen...but granted payton is a great designing and drawing up plays to utilize the talents available...specifically reggie....we have arguably mastered the reverse and the end around with our slots and reggie....its easy to say that another team would have run him up the middle a few times...noticed he cant do it very well and given up on him.....i think our team is great at developing offenses for our players....i think that in another system PT may not work out...but i think in Pittsburgh just about ne running back would work....i dont know if New Orleans is the best place for PT but that still remains to be seen....he has not proven ne thing....he has shown he has and upside and a great amount of potential but he is not yet a threat in the NFL...that will hopefully be seen this year

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Old 05-15-2008, 04:00 PM   #44
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with argument to ur cedric benson statement...he was a threat...in '06...he had thomas jones to take some of the pressure off....when benson was asked to do it himself he was not able to....parker has the same sort of position in pitt....he does not have to carry the load because of the plethera of depth and talent in the pittsburgh RB rotation....besides...when u play pittsburgh u know what they are going to do...they are going to run the ball down ur throat and they dont care how....they do it because of their line....im afraid however with the departure of alan faneca that the decline of the steelers in evident and very probable for the near future

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Re: One Game Wonders...

Yes Mendenhall was behind PT on the depth chart at Illinois...

And Yes he had a good game...

But I remember the Saints making Flipper Anderson look like AllWorld in one game, and he did what over the course of his career?!?

We needed to draft a RB in R1, but we also needed to draft a DL even more...

You make do with what you got and you make moves that improve your team...

But, if last season didn't teach Saints Fans anything it's this...you can never have too many good RB's and a good Line...

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Old 05-15-2008, 04:07 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Re: One Game Wonders...

Yes Mendenhall was behind PT on the depth chart at Illinois...

And Yes he had a good game...

But I remember the Saints making Flipper Anderson look like AllWorld in one game, and he did what over the course of his career?!?

We needed to draft a RB in R1, but we also needed to draft a DL even more...

You make do with what you got and you make moves that improve your team...

But, if last season didn't teach Saints Fans anything it's this...you can never have too many good RB's and a good Line...
i agree with almost everything u said...the defense was more of a problem that NEEDED to be dealt with....the RB position is not so much a need position as it is a wait and see position...we dont know how duece will come out of the injury...i think that if he comes out healthy that makes our RB tandum that much better....if he doesnt produce this season i think we draft a running back next year in the first round....i like the depth at RB right now....PT stepped up and did his job when we called his number....i dont know how consistantly he will be able to do that for us however....and if he doesnt do it consistantly then he wont be tradeable...but if he does...then its possible we will shop him

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I think it is more realistic that PT will be a member of the Saints than trade bait for a late round pick. Especially if you consider 2 of our 4 RBs in the final years of their careers. I really hope Deuce has one more year left in those surgically repaired knees but I hope for his sake he calls it quits after that so he will be able to walk around and enjoy the rest of his life and not spend it in a wheelchair. I think Steckers one year contract sums up how much he has left in the tank.

What has PT done to justify being in the NFL after not being drafted? First he accepted a tryout for the Saints. Other teams also contacted PT but he choose the Saints. Lets see undrafted RB decides to try out for a team with 2 1st round RB and a newly drafted 4th rounder the team traded up to get. PT must have had a little confidence in his ability to think he could come here and make the team in a position that at the time seemed full of depth.

When given the opportunity PT has shown he can be a RB at this level. Preseason (I know preseason WTF) PT made us all fans and we all wondered why he wasnt given a shot to make some plays during the year especially when the running disappeared. Well in making the most out of your opportunities as our 4th string RB in your only start of the year congrats to PT as the only Saints RB EVER to rush for 100yds and catch for 100yds in the same game.

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Old 05-16-2008, 05:06 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by dasaints26 View Post
Is stecker tradeable?
No he will be to busy training PT to do his job. Heck they can have a 4 year schooling program as far as I am concerned. To me the #3/#4 RB position is in great shape. It is one of the positions I am not worried about. Who knows PT may become the solid #2/#3 we need. But for now I am happy that both are on the team. Why break this marriage up?
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Re: Is pierre tradeable?

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Re: One Game Wonders...

Yes Mendenhall was behind PT on the depth chart at Illinois...

And Yes he had a good game...

But I remember the Saints making Flipper Anderson look like AllWorld in one game, and he did what over the course of his career?!?

We needed to draft a RB in R1, but we also needed to draft a DL even more...
I'm going to take you to task on this statement. The Saints drafted a RB #2 just 2 years ago. Their RB corps is productive all the way down to the 4th string guy. Deuce, Reggie, and Stecker all being hurt at the same time was a fluke, not an expectation.

With all the needs this team has, and the fact that the Saints offense has been in the top 5 offenses in the league for the past 2 years simply does not point to the need for a first round draft pick at RB.

If you haven't noticed, the engine of the Saints offense is Drew Brees. The running game is a complement, not a primary motivator.

I totally disagree that the Saints needed a first round draft pick at RB.

Ya'll have this man crush on Deuce as if he carries the offense. Let me clue you into his stat line for 2006, when the Saints were the #1 offense in the league:

244 rushes, 1057 yards, 4.3 YPC

Dude, that's not even a pro bowl season, much less a man crush one.

The bottom line is that the Saints offense needs a productive running game. All the explosiveness will come from the passing game.

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Old 05-16-2008, 07:48 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
Ya'll have this man crush on Deuce as if he carries the offense. Let me clue you into his stat line for 2006, when the Saints were the #1 offense in the league:

244 rushes, 1057 yards, 4.3 YPC

Dude, that's not even a pro bowl season, much less a man crush one.

The bottom line is that the Saints offense needs a productive running game. All the explosiveness will come from the passing game.

SFIAH
Ok lets take things out of context here. Duce by no means was carrying the offense in 2006. The system has changed. This is a west coast offense so the RB will never be the featured part of the system.
Roger Craigs carrier average was 4.1 YPC.
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1985, 4.9
1987, 3.8
1988, 4.8
1989,3.9
Then again he did not have a RB like Bush sharing the backfield with him.
So the fact I think he was one of the best all around backs in history is unjust?

Now take a standard offense and one of the all tim greats
Walter Payton was named both All-Pro and All-NFC seven times and played in nine Pro Bowl games. Payton was selected as the NFL's Most Valuable Player in 1977 and 1985, the NFL Offensive Player of the Year in 1977 and 1985 and the NFC Most Valuable Player in 1977.
1977 5.5
1985 4.8
1976, 4.5
1977, 5.5
1978, 4.2
1979, 4.4
1980, 4.6
1983, 4.5
1984, 4.4
1985, 4.8
1986, 4.2

This sounds like type of RB you want. But that kind of RB will never get the carries needed either to put up those numbers. We are talking 13 to 1600 yards a season here. Thats with over 300 carries a year. Craig broke the 300 carries mark just once in his career.
In 2006 we had 472 rushes and 372 passes. Duce averaged 4.3 on 244 rushes. Not bad. I will take that all day long.

Two different system and two different types of back. Both pro bowlers

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