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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; To quote you Billy , Looks like Dennis Green couldn\'t get it done at NorthWesten either and he was a pretty good coach. All your stats just prove that Venturi has been with some terrible programs. All those stats like ...

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Old 08-27-2003, 01:45 PM   #11
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To quote you Billy ,

Looks like Dennis Green couldn\'t get it done at NorthWesten either and he was a pretty good coach. All your stats just prove that Venturi has been with some terrible programs.

All those stats like you said prove Venturi has been with some terrible programs , they only show he has never made one better .

Welcome to the light ...........
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Old 08-27-2003, 01:54 PM   #12
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To quote you Billy ,

Looks like Dennis Green couldn\'t get it done at NorthWesten either and he was a pretty good coach. All your stats just prove that Venturi has been with some terrible programs.

All those stats like you said prove Venturi has been with some terrible programs , they only show he has never made one better .

Welcome to the light ...........
Sure he made them better. Just look at the Colts. In 2 years he took them from 25th to 15th. Did he not?

The Colts
1986: 3-13 (25th)
1988: 9-7 (15th)


In one year with the Saints he took them from 20th to 11th. If he did it once, maybe he can do it this year?

1996-2002 - Assistant with Saints
1999: 3-13 (20th)
2000: 10-6 (11th)

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Old 08-27-2003, 03:40 PM   #13
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In one year with the Saints he took them from 20th to 11th. If he did it once, maybe he can do it this year?

1996-2002 - Assistant with Saints
1999: 3-13 (20th)
2000: 10-6 (11th)

I can see the light. It\'s right there at the end of the tunnel. Let me put on my shades..

The light you are seeing here is Ron Zook ....

Glad you noticed what a real defensive coordinator can do ......
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Old 08-27-2003, 04:15 PM   #14
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Saintz08-

I guess with logic like that- then you can wipe out all those other stats you posted about his coaching when he was an assistant, because if he doesn\'t get the credit for being an assistant, then he sure shouldn\'t get the blame.

I went back to last year on this board and read some of the heated debates between- You, WhoDat, and saintsfan- and you and Whodat have been so wrong in the past that I don\'t think you\'ll ever see the light. :P

It\'s funny really. What some of you said then is just the opposite of what your saying now.

I can certainly understand saintsfan frustration trying to get y\'all to see the light-but it\'s no use- the hate really does have you blinded.

You guys are like the \"THREE BLIND MICE\"

Well two of you are blind- Saintsfan knows what\'s happening

[Edited on 27/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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Old 08-27-2003, 04:22 PM   #15
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:P

LOL

Thanks for the props BC. If ya can\'t make \'em see the light at least ya can give \'em hell!
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Old 08-27-2003, 04:45 PM   #16
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2000: 10-6 (11th) Zook

2001: 7-9 (19th) Venturi

2002: 9-7 (28th) Venturi

Kinda says it all
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Old 08-27-2003, 06:15 PM   #17
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we had a lot more defensive talent in 2000 than we have had the last two years
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Old 08-27-2003, 07:22 PM   #18
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Interesting analysis :

New Orleans Saints - Cornerback

The Saints don\'t seem to think this is a problem area. Everyone expected the team to select a cornerback early on draft day. After seeing all the draft commentary, coach Jim Haslett repeatedly went on the air to explain that the team\'s situation at cornerback was fine and that they had no intentions of drafting a player at the position. It would be interesting to know if he still agrees with that statement. Dale Carter has one starting job all wrapped up, but he hasn\'t been a full-season starter since the mid-90s. He will turn 34 this season. Thirty-three-year-old Ashley Ambrose was brought in to be the other starter, but he lost his spot in training camp to Fred Thomas. Thomas is limited physically at 5-9, but he is quick enough to cover most receivers. He has problems, though, when he is matched up with the super-tall, possession-type receivers. Thomas, as well as Ambrose, has been injury-prone in recent years.
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So the who do you blame for that? The players because they are less talented? This isn\'t a volunteer staff, the front office got rid of who they wanted to and brought in who they wanted to. If the talent level declines then it must be the fault of management and people involved in personnel decisions.
Just like they get credit for and we hive five for them getting guys like Brooks, Pathon, Horn and drafting talents like Deuce and Donte, they must also take the flack for creating an inferior defensive group. Whether that be through personnel changes or defensive gameplanning, the front office bites that bullet all the same.
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Old 08-27-2003, 09:26 PM   #20
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One note...

Tweeky, I could be wrong but...

you said \"Darren Howard, Charles Grant, Fred Thomas (near league minimum), Johnathan Sullivan, Cie Grant... Hardly moves that have blown up in our face.\"

Howard and Thomas were here BEFORE Haslett. That shortens your list to Grant, b/c Sullivan and Cie haven\'t seen a snap so they cannot count yet.

Oh, and Clemons led the team in tackles and sacks two years ago. Something Pat Swilling NEVER did. I like Pat, but he played great on a great defense. Clemons played great on a very bad defense. He didn\'t ask to go inside, the coaches put him there. Then they were too small to admit they f-ed up and got rid of him rather than moving him back out where he belongs!!!! Stupid!!

And one other thing. I\'ve said time and again that I hope I\'m wrong about the defense. I haven\'t said that I am sure that they will suck (got that billy?). I am saying that all signs point that way right now in my mind, but that\'s not to say that I\'m not hopeful - I\'m just more realistic than I am hopeful.

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