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Hey, wssup. I was just wondering how will the matchups for the game with Payton's high powered offense be against Belichick's Championship 3-4 defense. Because to me, I think that you have a really good group that has been able to gel as of late. With a young superstar playmaker at MLB Jerod Mayo who is faster than Bruschi and can cover, rush the passer and stop the run. Then you have Tully Banta Cain who when healthy makes all the difference and was hurt against Indy. He reminds me of McGinest but with more speed, he has alot of experience in that system and is starting to show. And the other Linebackers are doing a good job so far. Smart football. And up front with Burgess, Warren who missed last game and Wilfork are still as good as any group up front at getting pressure and stuffing the run IMO, all of them are pro-bowl caliber. So with that being said, the front seven to me with Wilfork, Burgess, Warren, Mayo, Guyton, A-Thomas and Banta Cain are as good as any in the league. And in the back end, Meriweather has emerged as a playmaker will good instincts like another guy from the U and Bodden has always been a good player to me. And those other young guys back there do a great job in coverage and working well together. Did a fine job against Indy. Just slipped up just a bit but cause Peyton to throw some crazy picks, as well as Sanchez which to me were no accidents. So I think it will be a great challenge this Sunday for Bree's offense. The best he will see all year and the best there is to offer out there. Smart, well coached, playmaking and instinctful group that no one talks about. Should be fun to watch. But if NO wants any chance to move the ball effectively, they must have balance in this game or it's a long night in the Dome. "Monday Night Football, Let's Go!" Simply airing it out will not get the job done this time.

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IMHO i dont believe you will see a lot of base defense from the pats or the saints

the saints run a lot of 3 WR sets and even when they dont, shockey is usually too fast and strong to be matched up with a LB

i dont expect a lot of blitzes from the pats and that pretty much ruins the entire essence of the 3-4

we will pound the ball up the middle behind our 2 pro bowl guards and then we will open up the passing game

the pats 16th ranked rush defense will struggle a lot against our 3-headed rushing attack

after that i expect a lot of zone coverages from your defense until bill realizes he cant let drew sit in the pocket for 5 seconds and find the open man

even if brady has a good game....i expect to see him on his back a lot considering the ridiculous amount of blitzes we send

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I have to disagree, even in the past New England's defense has never been a one of stats but just performance and rising up, taking it to a whole other level. And yes, Bill will not hesitate to put pressure on Brees because he is a great QB and thats exactly what we have done in the past. Against McNabb, Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, you name it and we've done it. The pressure will come often, early and consistently from all different spots on the field. It's just something that NO will have to deal with. Especially off the edges and the middle. It will be frustrating and confusing. And I think that Jarvis, Vince, and Ty will man that middle and stuff face for 60 minutes. With help from wildman Mayo and the others up front, will get the job done. And as for our offense, I think our group will do a great job and protection schemes and being athletic against the opposing defensive front, giving Tom time to find the open man who ever that is, and also making holes for Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris or Laurence Maroney to run in. Should be a statement performance from a championship team going against a good offensive team.

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SailorJ. true to the idea of you guys having rising talent. Jerod mayo is indeed a talented linebacker. but i feel that the other guys are supplemented by his prescense. a good leader for a second year pro. i feel that A-thomas has not been doing as much good since leaving baltimore. merriweather is good, but i see him more of a hard hitting safety rather than a coverage guy. chung is pretty good for a rookie. i feel he will develop yet i think he will be just like merrieweather. wilfork is a great space eating tackle yet i feel he will be caught up inside we have really good lineman and i think our guards will keep him in check. i agree with canton stating what the pats d will be running. shockey is a beast and you cant forget David thomas, and ex pat who clearly is a good TE. im sure we will be running a lot of play actions becasue we will be running alot. watch bell and thomas running between tackles and in the middle while reggie running the outside or occasionally in the middle.

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Speaking of Bush, Bill has experience against similar guys like Marshall Faulk, Brian Westbrook and such. I think he will be able to neutralize that. And to me, Meriweather is a hard hitter and is also a very good cover man with very good ball skills. And Adalius can still be effective, maybe not what he was but definitely still very good. And Mayo is no longer rising, to me he has risen into an absolute playmaker. And yep, the guys around him are terrific. Great at playing together. And as far as Shockey goes, I don't think that will be a problem, especially doing a good job on Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Gates, and Gonzalez in the past. And Bell and Thomas I assure will not beat us, but the name of the game is Dare you to run. Beating up those receivers and forcing everything inside. So I assure you it will take Bell, and Thomas to try and get the job done.

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Westbrook is more like Deuce and Pierre than Reggie.

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True, but better. But Reggie and Marshall are similar. Reggie is just not quite as good as Marshall

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one thing i gotta comment on is the comparison to those TEs that you made about shockey

all of them are pass catching TEs and not very good at blocking......shockey is a much better blocker than any of them and runs a lot of delayed routes.....if a linebacker sees he is staying in to block, they will rush the ball....but when he sneaks out for a crossing route he will be wide open....that is the difference that shockey makes

you cant sit on him as a pass catcher because he will run right up to you, pancake you and move on up

as for the DBs

i watched leigh bodden a lot in cleveland and he got beat.....A LOT.....he and shawn springs are talented but not good enough to man up against colston, henderson, and meachem

and tyrone wheatley? c'mon.....its almost better to not cover meachem in the slot

bellichick might blitz.....but i dont expect it a lot.....brees is just too good and known around the league for getting away from pressure and tossing it to the mismatch in the secondary

as for your offense.....its very 1 dimensional.....run moss deep and cross welker over the middle or to the outside

if brady has time he'll go deep to moss......if he doesnt he'll toss it to welker underneath.....the running game is almost non existant until the pats have a lead.....and then its meaningless......but the pats wont get that safe lead in this game....no lead is safe against the saints

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sailorj you gotta remember that we have more receivers than your D can concentrate on. Drew Brees has thrown touchdowns to 9 different receivers. you gotta put into considerations that we have Marques colston, Lance moore, Robert meachem, devery henderson, Shockey and david thomas to back up bush, pierre, and bell. so your defense has a lot to think about.

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Fair enough. I remember the torchings Marshall gave us. We'll have to see how things play out.

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good analysis canton.. that is true about that pats passing game.. our offense is the best offense in the nfl. why? peyton always keeps the DC of all the teams we played guessing. and it was said by analysts on NFl and ESPN if im not mistaken that we do have the best offensive packages in the NFL.

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Look, jn671 we have faced great offenses in the past. Colts, Rams, 07 Cowboys, and etc. Its not going to change anything. And you have to remember, its not the recievers in NO that we are worried about, but its the QB that makes these guys effective. But there is nothing like disrupting routes and playing tough, smart and physically football to crash a party on Monday Night. Now, in the past Bodden has been beat, but so have all players.. I mean, Harrison has been beat when he was in SD, Moss wasn't effective in Oakland, Vrabel was average in Pittsburgh and Ted Washington was good but not great with his former teams so that whole Bodden has been beat thing is meaningless with all due respect. It means nothing. Patriots aren't about the past, but about renewing and fine tunning talent that is visible, and that is potentially there. And Tyrone Wheatley did a good job against Reggie Wayne before he got hurt in that one game, showed me alot. Those young guys can cover and work together better than any secondary in the league back there. And as afr as no pressure often, well you don't know what to expect from our Game plan, thats the whole idea of how we do business. But pressure can be expected. And last but not least you say - Moss deep, Welker underneath, and run game non existent. Well as of late, the run game to me is back, and the passing plays are too, especially with the emergence of Welker clone Julian Edelman. So its more than what you think but oh well, who am I telling lol. Will be a good game and measuring stick for New Orleans.

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and the trash talking begins

this will be a good way to tell if the pats can beat any good teams anymore

so far they havent done that this season

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We have 3 rings, what do you guys have? Lucky you have an offense that was able to come back in some of those games. But that crap will not work against us. Been in too many big games and have beaten too many big dogs for that.

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BIG MISTAKE!

:pokechop::pokechop::pokechop:

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Do you have a ring from the 2009/2010 season?

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LOL, Great story this year but reality will hit tommorow night. And no ring for this season yet but we will. Fred Taylor will get him one, especially having never been to a probowl. Moss you know will def get him one along with Seau barely missed it back in 07.

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it only takes 1 post to hit home......i can see we got under your skin early and its not going to stop as long as you come back here

your team is 7-3 and should be worse.....you beat the bills by 1

we have won every game except 1 by double digit points.....the rams coming off a bye week

the patriots do nothing more than pass the ball 40 times a game

that will not win against the most oportunistic defense in the league

we average 3 turnovers per game on defense and have more INTs than any team through 11 weeks and are 2nd without playing this week yet....the bills have 1 more after intercepting chad henne 3 times today

the patriots defense is not #1 in anything....but really it doesnt matter what rank your defense is because we laid a big ass 48 burger on the #1 defense in week 6

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you guys have 3 rings? what happened to "Patriots aren't about the past?" you bring up the ring thing? i thought it doesnt matter? the game is tomorrow just be ready.

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ahahhahaa

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The beating will continue until attitude improves.

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Attitude is definitely something we have and is why we will win tmmorow night.

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We know you have an attitude. What you need is an attitude adjustment.

And *tomorrow

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i gotta give you credit for something

you came to this site with a lot of ammo and you were prepared

the patriots fans that i have talked to are so dumb that its almost better to not look at them

i feel like id get stupider just by breathing the air that they are breathing

you seem to know what you are talking about but at the same time....you have no idea what your patriots are up against tomorrow and its not the saints that need to worry about this game....the pressure is solely on the pats

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We've won 3 rings in the face of pressure. In the face of better defenses and better teams. And more intense situations with games of greater implication and build up. Pressure is what we do. And have been doing for a long time

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That's the problem with all you "winning" teams. You can't leave the past alone. Those of us that have been through hard seasons know that nothing matters but this season and the next game.

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Hey, 2008 was a hard season. 11-5 but not making the post season. 2007 17-0 but loosing the last game that just happened to be the Superbowl? Now thats hard.

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right on brother!!!!

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yeah but the thing is you guys are so cocky wiht your 3 rings. no one gives a ****. that was years ago this is 2009. so yeah we will see who win tomorrow. i agree with canton wiht you knowing some stuff but you honeslty arent prepared for tomorrow.

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Wasn't it 18-0? Just sayin...

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its not about how many games you win.....its about when you win

no game is more important than the last and the saints know that better than anyone

nobody cares about the '06 season because we lost

but you guys still care about 2007 even tho it means nothing in the long run

we can go undefeated and still be hungry....your team went 18-0 and fell victim to the media hype of the game

the giants had no chance to win that game...the giants were weak and the patriots were riding the biggest season of any team EVER.....it only takes 1 game to ruin a season....you guys picked the wrong one to lose

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I was more commenting on the fact that he forgot how many games his team played.

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lol i wasnt knocking your post....just adding to it....sometimes i forget to clarify that when it sounds like im trying to rebut a post

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No one likes a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Do yourself a favor, Sj, and stick to matchups and facts. Around here, you'll get a redneck whomping if you can't keep up. There's a reason that there are more Rhodes Scholars from the South, don't be a victim.

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i cant wait for monday night!! all the media expects a shootout.. i expect a blowout!! Saints 45 - Pats 17

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lol.. see how he just stopped replying lol...

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he probably went to bed.....its almost 1 in the morning in the east

im pretty tired to and it was fun blasting pats fans with you guys.....i'll see you all in the chat tomorrow

go saints

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lol true.. he went to bed pretty pissed and defeated.. good job canton i put a rep point for ya. see you guys tomorrow peace...

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ehem......what did your 3 rings do for you tonight?

they sure make good paper weights dont they

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Your sig is absolute truth Canton. I love it. Let's go congratulate Husky for being classy about this whole thing.