BillyCarpenter1

OK -- My bad. I aplogize.

WhoDat

Billy - listen man, I\'ve been really cordial with you recently, right? I understand we disagree on a lot, but that doesn\'t mean that either of us is not knowledgeable, right?

Please man, I\'m trying to do you a favor on this one. Stop posting on this thread. You\'re embarrassing yourself. I\'ve called you out - your answer was not your best. BnB really knows his stuff. His posts are concise and well thought out. You\'re not making football arguments - as evidenced by your last post.

Simply say either - A. I am an eternal optimist, and though this coaching staff has been wrong before, they\'ve been right, in my opinion, more than any other coaching staff in Saints history, and for that reason, while I don\'t think every move they made will pan out, I do think that they got much better. Yes that may be based somewhat on wishful optimism, but right now I am buying it. They did get better on D - Haslett says so, and I believe him b/c he can obviously judge talent to some degree.

or B. nothing - b/c if what I said above doesn\'t demonstrate your feelings and beliefs than you\'re wrong, and when you\'re wrong you resort to name-calling and turn into a poster who is not fun to be around.

Just trying to help man - I\'m not trying to start anything.

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

BillyCarpenter1

WhoDat -- Maybe you read something in my post that I didn\'t. What name did I call anyone? I misread B&B post and I aplogized. And as far as embarrsing myself. Feel free to include yourself in that list.

Now please show me where I called someone a name. Can you do that for me? That\'s what I thought.

WhoDat

I can show you a lot of past posts when you did - and I guess name calling was inaccurate. Would you prefer personal attacks? Dude, I saw you apologized. Good man. I\'m not trying to upset you man, seriously. I\'m just saying that talking about BnB being stupid or not posting on subject... well, both of those statements are really wrong. You apologized - it was a misunderstanding, no big deal. I\'d just like to try to keep it about the football and not about personal attacks man. I\'m guilty of it too, we all are.

saintfan

Follow Whodat\'s logic and we don\'t have the following players:

NO Deuce -- we already had Ricky...wasted draft pic
No Brooks -- he was a 3rd stringer, and Delhomme is the only 3rd stringer Whodat likes
No Horn -- Hadn\'t proved anything before New Orleans
No Pathon -- Was coming off injury
No Beerman -- What, an ex arena leaguer...are you kiddin

You guys think we should have a roster of 30 million dollar contracts. It\'s real easy to sit here and spew that crap when it\'s not your money. Most of you guys probably can\'t balance your freakin checkbooks. I\'m not sure why some of you don\'t just become Redskins fans. They have an owner who lives in Salary cap trouble.

We\'d all like to see \'em sign Milloy, but I don\'t want \'em to break the bank or mortgage the franchise to do it.

C'mon Man...

WhoDat

Back to the subject at hand...

I find it intersting that two years ago we were a smallish fast attacking defense with players like Glover and Clemons. The coaching staff said that we weren\'t good enough against the run and wanted to get bigger. We did that. Now, we were too big and slow and not fast enough. We need to be all over the field - attacking. Speed will help us stop the run... uh, isn\'t that what we started with? Don\'t all of those guys we cut fit our newer new defensive scheme perfectly? I just wonder why so many people have so much faith. We\'re trying to get back to a defense we had in the first place... so all of these moves and we\'re trying to reinstall what we had with players of, in my opinion, a lesser talent level.

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

BillyCarpenter1

It was a simple misunderstanding. He made the reference to \" if anyone is too stupid\" not me. I just took it as him talking about me. I guess he wasn\'t and like I said I aplogized. Now how would it sound if I told you \" if anyone is too stupid to see what I\'m saying is true then you need to stop posing here.\" Not my words-- HIS.

BlackandBlue

You\'re right, I don\'t balance my checkbook. I pay someone to do that for me.
And I\'m not dumb enough to think that we can have a pro-bowler at every position, one of the Saints strong points is that they are better than any other team at picking out \"role-players\". \"Role-players\" are guys who may lack the physical characteristics of their fellow players, but play solid ball, with no mistakes. I look at the defense and I see alot of \"role-players\", but very few \"difference makers\". And you can\'t go to a Super Bowl with a team filled with \"role-players\". You need an even mix.

The waiting drove me mad....
I don't want to hear from those that know...
Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed

Eddie is a....draftnik?

WhoDat

Hey Saintfan - I think Haslett has done a particularly good job on the offensive side of the ball. No argument there. The problem though is, and has been, the defense. For a defensive minded coach he has not made good decisions. Not with player personnel, not with coaching staff, and it shows.

And I am not suggesting that we ONLY sign top name FAs. I agree it\'s about value - you tell me, who is the bigger value? Claiborne or Ruff? We\'ll see about Tebucky vs. Knight. We\'ll see about Rodgers vs. Clemons. I say two first rounders is always better than one...

My point is laid out above. They came in and said, we need to change this league leading/elite (in sacks and turnovers anyway) defense. We need to get bigger. That failed miserably and now they\'re trying to bring back the system that worked in the first place. That doesn\'t instill much confidence in me. Maybe it does to you guys, but I\'m starting to think you guys believe everything the coaches tell you.

... oh, and PS, I\'m a licensed broker... you wanna talk finance Saintfan?

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

BillyCarpenter1

I agree there have been mistakes with the defense. The defense(not including this year) hasn\'t been as good as the first year under Haslett. But, mistakes happen. This isn\'t a science and mistakes happen. I just don\'t get all the critcizm when you consider what Haslett inheirited and what he has turned this team in to. I don\'t know of any team that is dominate in offense, special teams, and defense, do you. I do know that we\'ve got a great offense and special teams and we\'ll see about the defense. Am I missing something here?

[Edited on 2/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]