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Bush draws Payton's ire again

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by ravtrav Yeah Bush is pushing his luck. I say offer 3-4 million and keep him in the slot or trade him. I dont know why we dont use him in the slot more. I could see him ...

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Old 12-10-2009, 11:41 AM   #31
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Yeah Bush is pushing his luck. I say offer 3-4 million and keep him in the slot or trade him.

I dont know why we dont use him in the slot more. I could see him doing damage to the likes of Welker....
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:14 AM   #32
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well as a lifelong saints fan i can honestly say i like reggie bush's explosiveness but sometimes he is a liability. i think if the saints use him the way the bears use hester he will be more productive. its obvious to the world that he is not an every down back who can effectively run between the tackles. Well we'll see what happens next season...
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:26 AM   #33
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I don't know about much but it looks to me he has to much going on to focus on football. He might be present but his mind is elsewhere. he might just be goofy I don't know.
I really have never heard anyone comment on his work ethic either way You always hear about the work ethic of our other players. Has anybody heard anything?
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Old 12-11-2009, 06:41 AM   #34
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This is the first time I've ever written it on this board but, "Trade Reggie Bush."

I've been a student of football for a long time, and I think a lot of people have very short memories. The type of RB bush is needs touches. It's not a perfect comparison, but one of the biggest knocks on Barry Sanders back in his day was that he ran for a lot of negative yards trying to make something happen. He got a lot of touches every game, so the one, two or three that he would rip for a huge gain would offset the 11 times he ran for -3. The highlight films have forgotten this, but the history books still have it - go look it up if you don't believe me.

Sanders was all that the Lions had so they ran him often. The constant pounding is one of the reasons he retired early. Our team has never used Bush like that, partially because of his health (maybe his toughness - not sure about that but there's some annecdotal evidence to support the suspicion) and mostly because the offense isn't designed around Bush and running, but rather around Brees and passing. In our offense, in our system, he's not worth the money he's about to make.

I won't be surprised to see him do well on another team - particularly a team designed around the run game. Time will tell, but it seems to me that Bush's time in N.O. should be over.

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Old 12-11-2009, 07:22 AM   #35
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Bush wouldn't do well on another team either from the tailback position. Bush doesn't run with power and is probably last in the league in yards after touch. Barry Sanders was strong and elusive, kind of a tough comparison to Bush. There are backs who get tougher as the game rolls on, and become more effective with each touch...Bush is not one of them. Twenty touches for Bush would just leave us playing catch-up in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Bush is best in space and should be used that way - by design. Make linebackers have to chase him out of the slot or as a safety valve when everything else is covered. As to his work ethic, how hard can an injured guy really work? More overtime on the T.O. bicycle? Injured guys are more prone to injuries favoring tender spots and still trying to make plays. Knees are probably the worse kind of trouble for a running back. I hope he gets healthy and helps us get to where we're going - this year. I have to agree though, 8 million is a lot of money that could be used elsewhere to sure up the dike.

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Old 12-11-2009, 08:54 AM   #36
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Reggie is just another player that proves that there needs to be a rookie salary cap and a slotting system like what they have in the NBA
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:58 AM   #37
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The comparison to Sanders isn't perfect, but it's not a terrible one either. Both Bush and Sanders are pretty close in build. Bush is listed as 6'0", 203 while Sanders is 5'8, 200. Couple of things about that. Barry's build was a lot more compact than Bush and he was harder for the defense to see coming to the line. His center of gravity was lower. He wasn't particularly powerful. He was dangerously elusive and it was hard to tackle him because he was so much shorter than everyone else (again with that center of gravity.) I would argue that Barry had a better build to serve the style of running both be and Bush have. I would also argue that Bush's cuts are harder and sharper to Sanders', at least prior to the knee injuries. The problem is with a taller player and a higher center of gravity, a harder cut leads to greater stress on the knees increasing at a exponential rate. Bush's cuts now are a shadow of what they were.

You may be right that he will not do better on another team, but I will wait and see. No matter how often we run now, we are a passing team by design. We run well enough to hold a lead and that's a huge difference from last year, but we are designed for the pass. I'd be interested to see how Bush would do on a team designed for the run - if anyone will take him in trade, that is.

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Well your credibility is thrown out the window as a self proclaimed student of the game if you are going to compare Barry Sanders to Reggie bush. Reggie Bush is now Barry Sanders and not even close. Reggie had his chance at being a so called 'feature back' and he can't handle it.

Reggie is a PR/slot WR. PERIOD, who we could line up at RB from time to time go give real RB's a break, and that is only if he has his head in the game and not making bone headed mistakes.

Barry Sanders took the ball up the middle makes one move and go. Reggie doesn't make moves its call HESITATING. You have to make a move and hit a whole... GO already. He likes to move left, move right, move left again ok now right again until someone tackels him if he doesn't get a chance to get out of bounds first just short of the first down markers.

REGGIE BUSH IS NO BARRY SANDERS!

I'll make the same offer to you as I did others... if Reggie doesn't take a pay cut that warrants a 3rd string RB then he will be on another team. I'll then buy your Reggie Bush jersey from you for $2.50 so you'll get something for it and I'll get a rag to wash my car with or my ass if I choose.

Reggie's cuts aren't sharper than Sanders either. There different cuts if you look at them. First Barry would go up the line make one move to dodge a LB and go. Reggie is to chicken **** to go throw the damn line.

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Old 12-11-2009, 11:31 AM   #39
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I have to go back and see when Barry Sanders was ever benched or 3rd sting RB.

Its going to be a long long long time researching this so I'll post it when I find it... don't hold your breathe
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barry was often taken out of the game on goaline situations.
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