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What does 16-0 mean to you?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I don't think it would be a good idea to start sitting players and dial back the play, but, all things equal, and if it came to that, I would definitely prefer to see a 14-2 ...

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Old 12-12-2009, 11:52 AM   #21
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Re: What does 16-0 mean to you?

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
I don't think it would be a good idea to start sitting players and dial back the play, but, all things equal, and if it came to that, I would definitely prefer to see a 14-2 Saints team at full strength playing in Minnesota than see a limping Saints team play in the Dome.
I don't think that's an either/or situation anymore. With the distinct possibility of the ViQueens losing to the Bengals tomorrow, the Saints can have home field wrapped up by beating the 'clowns tomorrow and the Cowgirls on Saturday.

The real question is how long do starters have to play to stay sharp. A quarter? A half?

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Old 12-12-2009, 12:21 PM   #22
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Re: What does 16-0 mean to you?

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
The real question is how long do starters have to play to stay sharp. A quarter? A half?
A game? I just remember bad things after bye weeks for the Saints. Just imagine after 3 bye weeks.
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:53 PM   #23
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Re: What does 16-0 mean to you?

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
I don't think that's an either/or situation anymore. With the distinct possibility of the ViQueens losing to the Bengals tomorrow, the Saints can have home field wrapped up by beating the 'clowns tomorrow and the Cowgirls on Saturday.

The real question is how long do starters have to play to stay sharp. A quarter? A half?

SFIAH
I'd say, you practice your starters as usual and game plan as usual, then let them play with no determined time table to pull them out, and depending how the game is going - and I don't mean the score - then you pull them out.
If the Saints are physically dominating, if they are doing the hitting and the shoving, let them play.
If they are getting sloppy and getting manhandled, or something like a hammie starts stiffening, then you pull starters out.

But don't seat them for 4 weeks, no.
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Old 12-12-2009, 04:54 PM   #24
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Re: What does 16-0 mean to you?

This is slightly off topic but since we're talking about going undefeated... I thought you guys might enjoy this. Especially after that Monday Nighter two weeks ago!!!



BTW... good luck on your quest! Especially with it being done clean!!!
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Old 12-12-2009, 07:40 PM   #25
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Nothing..Ive waited 17 years to be able to put ONE freaking thing with the rest of my collection that says SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!!! I would give up my wife and house for it...well, maybe not my house
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:00 AM   #26
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If Payton sits the starters with a game still in doubt, I think the players and fans feel ripped off. I think every player on the team wants to go 19-0. How could any coach take that away from them?

Out of the Saints 400-500 losses, only 1 made me bitter: The loss on Christmas Eve 2006 where we laid down like little b****** for the Panthers. How'd that work out?
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:14 AM   #27
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Re: What does 16-0 mean to you?

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If Payton sits the starters with a game still in doubt, I think the players and fans feel ripped off. I think every player on the team wants to go 19-0. How could any coach take that away from them?
Brees gets clocked by Julius Peppers in the 4th quarter of a meaningless game in terms of the playoffs and because of severe headaches cannot start the first postseason game.

Yes I know that it could happen today, or happen next week. But in those instances the team is still playing for something relevant to the playoffs. In this instance it's absolutely positively meaningless in terms of getting to the ultimate goal. Also if it happened sooner rather than later, there may still be time to recover.

I would feel both cheated and foolish if something like that happened.

As I have said, let them play enough to be sharp. Look at the preseason. Brees played not at all in the Miami game, the last preseason game. Did he look rusty against the Lions the next week.

What makes you think these guys will forget how to light it up if they take some time off. I don't mean not practice. I don't even mean not to play in the game. But a series or two just to get warmed up should be sufficient to stay sharp.

Out of the Saints 400-500 losses, only 1 made me bitter: The loss on Christmas Eve 2006 where we laid down like little b****** for the Panthers. How'd that work out?
Um, we beat the Eagles after a week off and made it to the NFC championship game? Sounds like a strawman to me.

I'm not saying take all the time off. All I'm saying, and will continue to say, is to be smart about it because the most important thing now is to be healthy for the playoffs.

There is nothing more important than that right now.

Nothing.

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The Saints have been to playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and a own a SB championship.

I can hardly believe this happened in my lifetime.
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:38 AM   #28
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Re: What does 16-0 mean to you?

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Brees gets clocked by Julius Peppers in the 4th quarter of a meaningless game in terms of the playoffs and because of severe headaches cannot start the first postseason game.

Yes I know that it could happen today, or happen next week. But in those instances the team is still playing for something relevant to the playoffs. In this instance it's absolutely positively meaningless in terms of getting to the ultimate goal. Also if it happened sooner rather than later, there may still be time to recover.

I would feel both cheated and foolish if something like that happened.

As I have said, let them play enough to be sharp. Look at the preseason. Brees played not at all in the Miami game, the last preseason game. Did he look rusty against the Lions the next week.

What makes you think these guys will forget how to light it up if they take some time off. I don't mean not practice. I don't even mean not to play in the game. But a series or two just to get warmed up should be sufficient to stay sharp.



Um, we beat the Eagles after a week off and made it to the NFC championship game? Sounds like a strawman to me.

I'm not saying take all the time off. All I'm saying, and will continue to say, is to be smart about it because the most important thing now is to be healthy for the playoffs.

There is nothing more important than that right now.

Nothing.

SFIAH

Obviously, our priorities are much different.

Mine is to do what we must do to win every game. That's what we have been doing for 13 weeks.

Yours is to win the SB. OK, fine. But I much rather make history while doing it. When history calls, champions don't hide under their beds.

A coach that calls off the dogs and loses the big game will be reviled and criticized forever.

A coach that goes all out to win and loses the big game will be sorry for 1 day.

Not a strawman, buddy. Karma. Teams that lay down on their fans and the integrity of the game get what's coming to them. Strawman my a$$. I don't care how many times you say "um", I know I'm right.

I think every Saints player wants to go all out to win. But they're just a 12-0 team, so what do they know about winning?
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:59 AM   #29
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The problem with sitting the starters is that is doesn't seem to work very well for the playoffs. Hasn't worked well for the Colts and didn't work well for the Chiefs when Marty was there.
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