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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Interesting .... Since when does proving you have the ability to win a game . And \"How has he proven he could win those games?\" as you said . Have anything in common ?? Proving you have the ability Billy ...

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Old 09-08-2003, 09:38 PM   #21
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Interesting ....

Since when does proving you have the ability to win a game .

And \"How has he proven he could win those games?\" as you said . Have anything in common ??

Proving you have the ability Billy , and proving you can win the game are two different things .

To prove Jake Delhomme could win those games Billy , Jake Delhomme would have had to have been in those games .... Kinda the point of the post
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Old 09-08-2003, 10:29 PM   #22
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saintz08 -- I think any QB that is in the NFL has the ability to win. John Fourcade looked like superman for a while. You guys amuse me. One game into the season and Delhomme is franchise QB. The Sanits suck. Huston is a contender. Miami looks pathetic. Wonder how long all of this is going to last? Well, it\'s good for a few laughs anyway.

Things have a way of changing mighty quick in the NFL. This Saints offense is way too talented to be kept down for long. You haven\'t heard the last from Aaron Brooks or those great receivers we have. Deuce didn\'t have his best game by far but he will though. Add in Ernie Conwell and that\'s an offense that I like. Jump aboard the Delhomme express. I think you\'re gonna find out that Delhomme and that Carolina offense ain\'t that good.

The Saints defense didn\'t play all that bad yesterday. They got put back on the field time and time again. Turnovers put them in some bad situations -- don\'t forget that. There\'s a lot of room for improvement and a lot of time left for these guys to get on the same page.

We started out 6-1 last year and that didn\'t tell us much about how the season was going to end. If we\'re going to struggle, I\'d rather it be now and come on strong down the line.

Keep on telling us how Aaron can\'t read defenses and how terrible the play calling is. I\'ll keep listening to Smitty\'s dog, cause he\'s making much more sense this early in the season.



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Old 09-08-2003, 11:07 PM   #23
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I would certainly hope with all the talent surrounding Brooks on offense that by season end they will do better then their current ranking .

30. New Orleans Saints (0-1): Bad defense we understand, but scraping together only 10 points against Seattle?
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Old 09-08-2003, 11:11 PM   #24
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I don\'t know where you\'re getting your rankings at 08, but NFL.com has the saints offense ranked at #6. But, hey don\'t let facts get in your way of proving a point.
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Old 09-09-2003, 12:23 AM   #25
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Fox sports ......

Similar to an ESPN ranking system .

Interesting to see how other perceive the Saints ....

Enjoy....
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Old 09-09-2003, 07:04 AM   #26
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Wow, Billy came into a discussion and totally diverted the topic by telling everyone how wrong they are. What a surprise. That was totally out of character... *sigh*

BillyCarpenter1 wrote:
Quick to praise your boy Delhomme arent\' ya 08. How you figure he has proved he could win three games when he\'s only won one. I\'m not saying he can\'t. I\'m just wondering what kind of rediculos logic you\'re using here.
Hmm, so a QB that has won only one game should be assumed to lose the next 15 because he hasn\'t won them yet? That logic is as rediculous as your spelling.

08\'s only flaw in using the word \"proven\" was not in his accuracy, but in opening the door for more typical silly, argumentative, BC semantics. You have told us we are wrong so many times, we understand this by now. I am wrong, and my opinion is stupid and flawed. When I need to know the real deal I will ask you. But don\'t hold your breath waiting. Wait, on second thought, do. Now if you will let us finish the discussion in peace (Fat chance of that I am sure)...

The point was this. If Haslett, you, or anybody else continues to deny Haslett made the wrong call by not letting JD sub for AB for even just half of ANY of the last 3 games we played in 2002 your in total denial and not worth conversing with. Well, some people (I won\'t name names, you know who you are Billy. Oops) aren\'t worth conversing with anyway. We didn\'t go to the playoffs last year because Haslett dropped the ball. Period. End of discussion.

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Old 09-09-2003, 07:24 AM   #27
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Memnoch -- Good morning buddy. Been a while. I see you\'re looking for a little trash talking but you\'re still not a worthy opponent.

Now, as far as putting Jake Delhomme in last year -- Looking back maybe Haz should have but Jake in. Maybe he should have done a lot of things differently last year. But he shouldn\'t have put Delhomme in because he had a good game against the Jaguars, since that game hadn\'t been played yet. Furthermore, while all of you are ready to appoint Jake as the second coming of Joe Montana, I\'ll be keeping a close eye on y\'alls boy and I\'ll let him get his first NFL start under his belt before I jump on the Delhomme express.
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Old 09-09-2003, 10:04 AM   #28
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You’re correct. He shouldn’t have put Delhomme into the game last year based on a game that hadn’t been played yet. What he should have based it on was the upset win against the Cowboys the last time Jake started…
This is a dead issue. Jake is gone and he’s not coming back. The only reason to follow his progress is to point out one of the many mistakes the coaching staff has made, if that is your intention.
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Old 09-09-2003, 11:55 AM   #29
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Saints feed fans gumbo of familiar misery
Tuesday September 09, 2003


Dave Lagarde


SEATTLE -- Let\'s dispense the good news first.

It can\'t get any worse.


That\'s what the populace is thinking out loud in Miami and Chicago and Cincinnati and Green Bay and Dallas and St. Louis and New England. And yes, that\'s New Orleans\' mantra as well after the Saints seasons changed and the unsettling problems of 2002 persisted, despite an extensive roster overhaul.

Lose the season opener and it\'s Blue Monday no matter the locale.

Play uninspired football and get embarrassed (think Saints, Bears, Patriots and Bengals). Bingo! It\'s a recipe for instant over-the-top doom and gloom.

Yes, the Saints, who think like contenders rather than play like contenders, had company in their misery Monday. But that\'s no comfort when a new season dawns and the Saints can\'t produce sunshine in Seattle.

Granted, it isn\'t the end of the world. It\'s simply the end of the first week of the 2003 season. But it does place great import on game two against Houston.

And if the opaque darkness remains, if the Saints refuse to raise their level of performance, New Orleans will be one sullen place to dwell next week and the weeks after that.

See, losing the first game of the 2003 season would be infinitely easier for the Saints to explain if they hadn\'t done it in the same disturbing manner as they did in 2002, squandering the last three games of the season with a playoff berth hanging in the balance on each Sunday.

The team that the Seahawks defeated 27-10 looked unnervingly similar to last season\'s outfit, beating itself with turnovers, poor tackling and penalties as much as teams with losing records -- the Vikings, Bengals and Panthers -- beat them down the stretch. That more than anything else should be cause for alarm in coaches\' meetings and the locker room.

But it\'s time to turn the page on Seattle. It\'s time for the Saints to step up to the microphone and sing a redemption song Sunday against 1-0 Houston, which had a lot to do with the nauseatingly sick feeling permeating South Florida on Monday.

The second-year Texans traveled to Miami, where the Dolphins never lose in September, and made them sleep with the fishes as a 14-point underdog. One would think Week No. 1\'s most shocking upset grabbed the Saints\' attention.

There were quite a few eye-catching opening-day performances. Among them:

-- The Colts won with defense, an item sure to make Peyton Manning a happy quarterback.

-- Ex-Patriots Drew Bledsoe and Lawyer Milloy took great delight in helping Buffalo squash New England like a bug on a racing car\'s windshield.

-- Kansas City running back Priest Holmes returned from a hip injury many thought to be career-threatening with a vengeance, savaging San Diego in a resounding Chiefs\' victory. He rushed for two touchdowns and led the Chiefs in receptions, rushing yards and receiving yards.

-- And Carolina came back from a 17-0 halftime deficit to beat Jacksonville.

The guy orchestrating the Panthers\' Lazarus act was none other than Jake Delhomme, the quarterback the Saints brain trust refused to play down the stretch last season despite the fact that it was obvious Aaron Brooks\' performance was hampered by a shoulder injury that required offseason surgery.

When last seen in New Orleans, Delhomme was completing seven of eight passes for 103 yards in relief of Brooks on Dec. 8. Incidentally, the Saints defeated the Ravens that day for their ninth and final victory of 2002.

The final three losses made it easy for Delhomme to discern Brooks would have to lose a limb or two before he might get another chance with the Saints. So he took Carolina\'s money, ran to Charlotte and created a buzz.

\"If I wanted to be a backup, I\'d be wherever New Orleans is playing. This is the reason I came here,\" Delhomme told the assembled Carolina media Sunday after he directed the biggest comeback in franchise history.

Delhomme was far from perfect. He completed 12 of 20 passes for 122 yards and threw two interceptions. But those misses and two picks were perfectly acceptable for a quarterback who produced 24 points in 30 minutes, guided his team to 206 second-half yards and deftly made the biggest play of all, a 12-yard touchdown pass to Ricky Proehl on a fourth-and-11 with 16 seconds remaining.

So in effect, Delhomme\'s career is just starting. Meanwhile Saints fans are cringing as they wonder, is it starting all over again?

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[Edited on 9/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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