this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; 2004 NFL DRAFT August 25th, 2003 Here is a VERY early mock draft for 2004. 1. Arizona Cardinals: Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss The Cardinals could go a number of ways here because they have so many holes to fill, ...
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2004 NFL DRAFT
August 25th, 2003
Here is a VERY early mock draft for 2004.
1. Arizona Cardinals:
Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss
The Cardinals could go a number of ways here because they have so many holes to fill, which is why they have the #1 pick, but in the end they can't afford to pass up a potential franchise quarterback. Jeff Blake is a stopgap solution at best and Josh McCown is a developmental guy so this pick makes a lot of sense for Arizona. The Cardinals are hoping Eli can do for them what his brother Peyton did for the Colts.
2. Detroit Lions:
Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan
The Lions are making strides but they still need a shutdown cornerback to team with Dre' Bly and Jackson has the potential to be just that. The local University of Michigan product will be a perfect fit in the Lions secondary and add to their base of top young talent in Joey Harrington, Charles Rogers, Shaun Rogers, Kalimba Edwards, etc.
3. Cincinnati Bengals:
Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio St.
The Bengals have needed a top cornerback for years now and they acknowledged that when they considered Kansas State's Terence Newman with the top overall pick this year. Chris Gamble is still a work in progress at cornerback but he is the total package physically and athletically. In fact, there might not be a better overall athlete in all of college football.
4. New Orleans Saints:
Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
The Saints are overhauling the interior of their defensive line, which began this offseason with the drafting of Johnathan Sullivan, the trading of Norman Hand and the demotion of Grady Jackson. They put the finishing touches on that overhaul here with Harris, who will combine with Sullivan and ends Darren Howard and Charles Grant to give the Saints one of the best young defensive lines in the NFL.
5. Houston Texans:
Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami (FL)
The Texans still have a lot of needs to address but perhaps none of the top prospects would fit in as well as Wilfork. While he is quick enough to put pressure on the quarterback his real value to the Texans will be his mammoth size, a necessity for the nose tackle position in the 3-4 defense.
6. New York Jets:
Roy Williams, WR, Texas
Talent-wise this is too low for Williams, who is argueably the top talent available in this draft, but he falls due to teams with earlier picks lack of need at the receiver position. Players with Williams' combination of size, speed, and athleticism don't come along very often and had he come out for the 2003 Draft he would have been right in the mix to be the top wideout off the board along with Charles Rogers and Andre Johnson.
7. Minnesota Vikings:
DeAngelo Hall, CB, Virginia Tech
You could make the argument that the Vikings don't have one NFL starting caliber defensive back in their secondary, but that would all change with this guy. An amazing overall athlete and potential shutdown corner, Hall would look real nice in purple and gold starting alongside Denard Walker.
8. San Diego Chargers:
Sean Taylor, S, Miami (FL)
The Chargers put the final touches on their young secondary with the drafting of Taylor, a physical freak who, like Roy Williams of Oklahoma a couple years ago, is the exception to the rule that safeties don't go high in the draft. With Quentin Jammer and Sammy Davis at corner and Terrence Kiel and Taylor at safety the Chargers would have a formidable young secondary.
9. Tennessee Titans:
Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Tennessee had a solid, but unspectacular, mike-man in Randall Godfrey but released him for cap purposes, a decision they may come to regret. They are afforded the opportunity to rectify that with the selection of Johnson, who is not the biggest linebacker around but is a terror from sideline to sideline.
10. Dallas Cowboys:
Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St.
Even if Troy Hambrick turns out to be a solid running back, although the early returns are not promising, I doubt Bill Parcell's will want to deal with his attitude much beyond this season. That is why is makes perfect sense to bring in an impact runner like Jackson, who has the size and speed to be a force on the next level.
11. New England Patriots (f/BAL):
Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
Believe it or not, Antowain Smith is once again in Bill Belichick's doghouse and his return beyond this season is doubtful at best. With little else on the depth chart at the position the Patriots can't afford to pass on a runner of Jones' caliber, who will finally be able to show what he can really do as a junior with Lee Suggs moving onto the NFL.
12. Denver Broncos:
Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma
Denver's secondary took a hit last offseason thanks to the salary cap and now they will enter the 2003 season with Lenny Walls starting at one cornerback spot. Needless to say, cornerback is a position of need for the Broncos so they would have to be thrilled to land the top senior at the position in Strait, who should really shine this year now that he is out of the shadow of Andre Woolfolk.
13. Carolina Panthers:
Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami (OH)
Rodney Peete? Definitely not. Jake Delhomme? Doubtful. Chris Weinke and Randy Fasani? Uh... no. As you can see a young franchise quarterback should be at or near the top of Carolina's list of things to do next offseason and, to be honest, Roethlisberger is potentially a steal this low. With top size and a very good arm, people may not know about this guy now but they will come April of 2004.
14. Jacksonville Jaguars:
Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
If Williams falls this far is would be an absolute steal but the bottom line is that wideout is not a major concern for teams picking higher than this. With a top combination of size and speed, Williams is right on par with the top receiver prospects to come down the pipe recently and he would be a perfect partner to team with Jimmy Smith.
15. Washington Redskins:
Kellen Winslow, Jr., TE, Miami (FL)
Winslow is possibly the best NFL Draft prospect at the tight end position to come along... ever, so you would have to consider it a steal to land him in the middle of round one. In fact, he could very easily go in the top 5-10 overall picks. While tight end is not as important in Steve Spurrier's offense, Winslow is simply too good to pass up at this point.
16. Chicago Bears:
Tony Pape, OT, Michigan
The Bears have Marc Colombo to play one tackle spot but Mike Gandy is best suited to play inside at guard. Tony Pape is yet another in a long line of top Wolverine offensive lineman and he could end up being the best of the bunch, which is pretty impressive when talking about a group of guys such as Jon Jansen, Jeff Backus, Steve Hutchinson, etc.
17. Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Greg Jones, RB, Florida St.
Michael Pittman's legal problems aside, the Buccaneers still need a running back that can carry them. Had it not been for a major knee injury Jones likely would have entered the 2003 Draft and been a top ten overall pick, so if he can regain his pre-injury form he would be a nice value at this point in round one and finally give Tampa a top runner.
18. Seattle Seahawks:
David Pollack, DE, Georgia
I would be shocked it Pollack fell this far, but if he did it wouldn't take Seattle long to pull the trigger on the selection. A good all-around end, Pollack will finally give the Seahawks the dominant pass rusher they have been looking for. Don't be surprised if this guy ends up in the top ten overall though.
19. Pittsburgh Steelers:
Andrew Walter, QB, Arizona St.
Even if Tommy Maddox lives up to expectations in 2003 the Steelers still need a youngster to develop and Walters is a major value here. In fact, if Walters plays like many think he will this year he could be in the running for the top overall pick. Walters is a potential franchise signal caller and would be allowed to properly develop in Pittsburgh.
20. Kansas City Chiefs:
Will Smith, DE, Ohio St.
Instead of addressing one of their many defensive needs in round one this year the Chiefs instead chose a backup running back in Larry Johnson. Hopefully they come to their senses in 2004 and address a glaring need for an impact pass rusher. Smith was a potential first rounder had he entered the 2003 Draft and with a strong senior year could move up even further.
21. Green Bay Packers:
Brandon Everage, S, Oklahoma
I think the Packers are solid at safety with Pro Bowler Darren Sharper as well as youngsters Antuan Edwards and Marquis Anderson but the team apparently doesn't feel the same. That can be resolved with the selection of Everage, who picked up right where Roy Williams left off and didn't miss a beat last year. Everage is a top prospect and would get a lot more attention in any Draft that didn't include Sean Taylor.
22. Cleveland Browns:
D.J. Williams, OLB, Miami (FL)
To say the Browns linebacking corps took a hit thanks to the salary cap would be an understatement. It was in fact decimated, losing Earl Holmes, Dwayne Rudd and Jamir Miller. They are going with youngsters at all three starting spots in 2003 but it is a good bet at least one won't pan out. Williams is a special athlete physically who was only lacking experience at the position, but that question should be answered with a strong senior season.
23. San Francisco 49'ers:
Nathan Vasher, CB, Texas
The Niners have a solid young team but the one area you can point to as severely lacking is their secondary, particularly corner. Vasher has experience at corner and safety and will bring a physical presence to the defensive backfield. A starting combo of Vasher and Ahmed Plummer would be a vast improvement with Jason Webster and Mike Rumph coming in on nickel and dime situations.
24. Miami Dolphins:
Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
Fitzgerald set the college football world on fire as a freshman last year and he is as big of a threat in the red zone as anyone. Fitzgerald could enter the Draft next year as a sophomore because he went to a prep school for a year after finishing his high school career, thus making it three years since his high school class graduated. While he would be better served staying another year the Dolphins would be happy to land a big, physical wideout here to team with playmaker Chris Chambers.
25. St. Louis Rams:
Matt Ware, CB-S, U.C.L.A.
With Aeneas Williams moving to safety there is a hole next to second year man Travis Fischer at corner. Matt Ware is a versatile defensive back who could play safety or cornerback at the pro level. A tall, physical coverman, he is also a perfect fit in Lovie Smith's attacking defense.
26. Indianapolis Colts:
Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
With pass rusher extraordinaire Dwight Freeney and reliable Chad Bratzke on the outside, the Colts and Tony Dungy could still use a top defensive tackle to team with Larry Tripplett on the inside. Starks is a developing prospect but if he can continue to progress like he has it is very possible he could be long gone before this point in round one.
27. Atlanta Falcons:
Karlos Dansby, OLB, Auburn
A tall, rangy, fast and athletic linebacker, Dansby would be a perfect fit in the Falcons attacking 3-4 defense. Dansby also excels as a pass rusher and playing in Atlanta's defense would still allow him to pin his ears back and get after the quarterback.
28. Buffalo Bills:
Rashaun Woods, WR, Oklahoma St.
With Peerless Price being traded to Atlanta and Josh Reed moving into the starting lineup there is a need for another wideout in Buffalo. This pick would allow Josh Reed to move back into the slot where he would be more effective. I love this pick because I think Woods is a special player who won't go as high on Draft Day as he should.
29. New York Giants:
Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
The Giants are once again working with a young, patchwork offensive line in 2003. I am not sure they will have the same positive results as they did in 2002, which will necessitate the addition of more talent. Gallery was possibly the best player on the best offensive line in college football last year and would have to be considered a value at this point in round one.
30. Oakland Raiders:
J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
The Raiders are aging, but thanks to some great drafting as well as the luxury of having extra high picks courtesy of the Jon Gruden deal they have some good young prospects waiting in the wings. One place this isn't really the case though is quarterback with only unproven Marques Tuiasosopo and journeyman Rick Mirer behind cagey veteran Rich Gannon. Losman has all the physical tools and he would be given a couple years to learn the playbook and develop in Oakland.
31. Philadelphia Eagles:
Lance Mitchell, ILB, Oklahoma
The Eagles brought in Mark Simoneau to add speed but middle linebacker is certainly a position that could be upgraded. Mitchell is a super fast prospect and one of the best players on an outstanding Sooner defense. Simply put, if you want a speedy inside linebacker you won't find anyone who fits the bill any better than Lance Mitchell.
32. New England Patriots:
Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
The Patriots are solid at tackle but they don't have that one standout and Andrews has the potential to be that guy. In fact, he could very easily go much higher than this. With a good young team and multiple first rounders the Pats can go a number of ways with this pick and may simply opt for the best player available.
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|09-10-2003, 10:29 AM||#4|
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Thanks for the link I was curious who did this and how they came up with the draft order. I\'m alittle dissapointed in the Saints start, but come on the 4th pick? I\'ll let the guys credentials and method speak for itself.
My name is Scott Wright and I have been following the draft and scouting players for going on twelve years now. In the past I have been a writer for the Fantasy Football Insider, appeared on radio programs such as ESPN Sports Radio 770, CBS Sportsline Radio and WJOX Sports Radio as well as in print in the Palm Beach Post, Christian Science Monitor and the St. Paul Pioneer Press as an NFL Draft expert.
To determine the draft order I used a method developed by NFL Draft Blitz.com using the video game Madden 2004 and simulating the season.
|09-10-2003, 10:41 AM||#5|
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Having the guts to post a mock draft in week one , he had to do something .....
The use of Madden is a rather amusing developing technique .
Wonder if he pulled the injured players ???? Pennington and Vick ????
|09-10-2003, 11:07 AM||#6|
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This guy must be nuts to think that Michael Clayton from LSU won\'t be drafted in the first round and more likely in the top ten! Mock drafts should be called a Sock Draft because my foots up his ass.
|09-10-2003, 12:39 PM||#7|
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You can have varying results everytime you simulate a single season. I hope he was smart enough to do it \"X\" number of times and take an average to form his results.
And there were several players not listed that had me scratching my head. Clayton was one, Frank Gore and Anthony Davis were just a few more, off the top of my head.