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Last week the bashers were out in full force, yet this week they are nowhere to be found. Nothing to say???

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I\'ve already admitted that I was wrong.

I was even impressed with the coaching in the second half. Hope this becomes a pattern.

Got Kool-aid?

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whowatches --

I saw that. I was really talking to all the folks that called me out after the loss last week. I don\'t remember you being one of them. So we\'re good -- :D

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sorry billy. I was away from a TV all weekend and did not see the game or hear anything about the game except for what I read in the last 5 minutes on the internet.

Sounds like Brooks had a good second half and the def. line showed up with some pressure. Thats about all I know right now.

Ps. this was a game everyone had them picked to win so don\'t get too excited.

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FWtex ==

The defense played GREAT and Brooks did have a good game also. I just hope everyone learns not to write the Saints off so quick anymore. Like I said last week -- there is nothing wrong with critcising them for one game but to go preaching doom and gloom was way premature. If we lose next week it still isn\'t all doom and gloom.

People one here are so busy finding things to bash they are obsessed with it. Maybe that will change but I doubt it --

Anyway it was a great win and the optimists and pessimists should be happy

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I don\'t know if you\'re looking to hear it from me, but I\'ve already given my assessment on both Brooks and the D, and neither were negative, so...

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I don\'t know if I count as a :hallucine: Brooks :hallucine: basher, but this is exactly what\'s so maddening about him.

He\'s so hot and cold.

However, the expansion team decided to try and take away our impact player (Duece for those of you taking notes) and make :hallucine: Brooks :hallucine: try to put together a winning performance.

I will say that for the beating he took today, David Carr sure looks pretty good. If those yahoos in Houston ever give him some linemen and a real running game, that kid\'s going to be dangerous.

At any rate, he was hot this week, and I\'m glad for the win, I\'d just like to see him string a few more wins together before we put him in Canton.

Unrelated topic here, What the heck has happened to McNabb?!?!?!

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that\'s 2 bad weeks in a row for mcnabb
BENCH HIM!!!!!! DETMER HAS TO BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN FACT DETMER IS FRANCHISE MATERIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then ???? :P

It was the Texans , will cheer after the Titans ......

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Killin\' ya ain\'t it 08? What I find interestiing is last week, after the loss , there were a thousand folks on here bashing their little heart out. You remember don\'t ya -- cause you was on of \'em. Now, you couldn\'t buy a basher.

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Anybody seen an after game interview with :hallucine:Brooks:hallucine:? I wonder if he owned the Houston secondary with his eyes today?

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i find it odd that a message board on a sports team fan site is much quieter after the team wins than when it loses ;)

what\'s up with you guys? so billy and saintfan proved you guys wrong on some stuff, you should be happy OUR team won

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Sorry about taking a while to post, but I just got back to Texas from New Orleans. I watched the first half and listened to Jim and Hokie call the second half on 870.

I\'ll happily admit that Brooks and the D both showed marked improvement over last week\'s game, especially in the 2nd half. Duece pounded it out as usual and Horn made some nice catches and runs after the receptions. Although he wasn\'t perfect, Ambrose really contributed today, as did Whitehead. And I certainly didn\'t miss Gowin the way Berger had our kicking game going today either. But most surprising was the fact that Pathon stepped up and some key recptions and the lost sheep -- Bellamy -- was a force to be reckoned with on defense today (could the lame walking and the blind seeing be far behind).

Still, the real stars of today\'s game in my opinion was the entire defense. They pressured Carr all day, shut down the running game and most of Carr\'s passing game, forced turnovers and gave us the momentum we needed to cruise to a much needed home victory (especially sweet since Tampa and Atlanta lost).

All in all, we looked like a different, very much improved team. Different approach, more drive, better motivation and execution, far fewer mistakes (except stupid penalties) and definitely better coaching.

Maybe someone put the fear of God into the right people or maybe everything just clicked. Either way, I just hope we can expect this kind of play to continue as our schedule gets tougher.

Billy, don\'t take this the wrong way and think that now I believe everything is hunky dorey and the SAINTS have no problems. They still do. They had a good game today and played much closer to their potential. Brooks did too. But I still need to see some consistancy before I agree with you that Brooks is \'da man\'. Only time will tell.

[Edited on 15/9/2003 by daviddrake2]

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Too funny ........

Saints were 9 point favorites even after the beating they took in Seattle and now every poster that posted something negative is wrong ????

Brooks probably got a great little pep talk at half time , sad part is he needed one .......

Texans are a speed bump , not a hill or even a mountain of a team ......Saints should beat the below .500 teams with the pro bowl talent they have ....

Texans own site :

Reality Check

The Saints scored 24 unanswered points and thwarted the Texans\' ground game en route to a 31-10 win at the Superdome Sunday. Recap the game at Gameday Central.



[Edited on 15/9/2003 by saintz08]

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Ok, There are about 4 threads on fans giving there assesment so I guess I\'ll pick this one. Yes it was a good win. While I am not a pessimist, dont look into the 31 points to happen everyweek. The last TD by the Def is basically a product of Houston\'s urgency to get ahead. But I do give props to the Def for making the play when they needed to. Now, David Carr is in NO WAY a below average QB, this guy made smart plays almost the whole game. He ditched the ball when he could, we just finally started to catch up with him in the second half. And how bout that move on Bellamy!! As far as AB, I think he played better, but I would still like to see more emotion from him during the game, hell, even the announcers were saying it. If they beat the Titans, then I will start believe that \"Hey, maybe they can make the playoffs\".

Go Saints

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saintz08 -- You think that\'s funny, then you should die laughing when you go back and read all the posts by some memebers ( you included) that were trying to convince everyone how bad the Saints sucked..

Can ya hear me? How bout now?

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Brooks didn\'t smile all day.Good job!Way to keep your focus after being down 10-7 at the half.Hats off to Deuce,just keep on truckin and stay healthy.Dosen\'t it feel great to see a TE who is a scoring threat in the red zone?Nice job Conwell!we need to get Stallworth and Pathon more involved in the game.We also have yet to use the two TE set which was a favorite of McCarthy\'s at one time.This offense will only get better with time and repetition.McCarthy hasn\'t even begun to tap into that thick playbook of his.

On defense we\'re banged up worse than a car in a demolition derby!Now we\'re going to see what kind of character these guys have.I believe someone,or a couple of guys will step up and surprise some folks.Bellamy\'s name keeps coming up in the leading the team in tackles category.I guess he\'s out to prove something.Whitehead brings some heat!Let\'s just hope he can continue to do that for the next ten weeks.Haslett and Venturi have got to challenge this linebacking corps so that they will play with a chip on their shoulder.No matter which three are in on any given play,they\'ve got to be nasty.Roger knight may be one of those surprises I was talking about.You never know what a player can do until he gets to play in a game.Ambrose and Thomas will be just fine together.Defense will continue to improve.Anytime you get young guys riled up and make them have to prove themselves it only brings out the best in them.

The coaching seems to be getting better.Let\'s hope this continues as well.Venturi actually looked like somebody stuck some ceyenne pepper up his butt.Did yall see him jumping around on the sideline?Haslett was actually being assertive with his coaching staff also.McCarthy seemed like he was taking alot of input from the players when putting a series together.Coaches have to lead by example .If you want your players to play with fire then you have to coach with emotion.Keep it up guys,and continue to find ways to keep this team motivated and focused.

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I am a little amused here. I was one of the first people to say that this was a good win, and imporant b/c we gained momentum and played up to par for the first time this season. Of course, that leads Billy to go on the attack...

I also said that the Titans are our next real test after getting destroyed by our first real test - the Seahawks. What\'s interesting though, is that I hear people saying that they think this is a playoff team if we beat the Titans in week 3.

Have you guys not been watching Saints football for the past three seasons? Last year didn\'t we beat five playoff teams in the first 8 weeks? Weren\'t we 7-2 at one point? If you guys wanna go ahead and believe, then do so. To me, these games are important b/c we need them to be within striking distance in the second half of the season... BUT, the games that I will really use to judge this team don\'t start until at least week 9. Let\'s not forget how long this season is.

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WhoDat -- I am not and will not single you out because it\'s not justified. All I\'m saying is that the folks that were indicating the season is a lost cause were wrong. If you\'re not in that group then I\'m not talking to you. OK? Really, I\'m not talking to you. Go back and read some of the stuff that was said and you\'ll know who or what I\'m talking about.

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Re-posted from yesterday:

I can pass out praise when it is warranted. AB played well in the second half and I thought he showed some real poise today. I still cannot excuse the first half and I have to keep beating the consistency drum. We have to be consistent to even start thinking about the playoffs, and THAT is our ultimate goal. A game won or a game lost is just that. Just looking at our performance today shows us the absolute definition of lack of consistency. First half=pop-warner practice squad; second half=pro-bowlesque super power.

Our defense was inspired today. I can\'t explain why suddenly Jay Bellamy was able to tackle (did you see him today, wow!), and Whitehead was able to rush the QB effectively. I won\'t look the gift-horse in the mouth. Heck, the zebras gave the Texans 7 points today (pass interference?! you gotta be @#&&ing me! And what\'s up with that ball spot?) I\'ll just say that if our defense can play at least to that level every week, we are in much better shape than I have been saying we are.

Next week is the Titans. I hope the momentum of this week can carry us into next, I\'ll start crowing about how good the Saints are if we beat them.

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TCU Dan said it best, see my sig...

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That was the best Deffensive performance by the Saints that I\'ve seen in about 2 years. The D kept things in check for the 1st half while the O was struggling (47 yards passing.) and they kept up pressure all day, hope it is signs of things to come. The O cranked up in the 2nd half and Brooks had a good day, although the numbers weren\'t great the most important factor was no interceptions. what can you say about Deuce ?he just keeps doing his job.
While one game doesn\'t make or break ya, it was nice to see some improvements, now the important thing is to stay focused and build on this.

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I like the sig. Tweeky :D

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Billy Quote:
\"All I\'m saying is that the folks that were indicating the season is a lost cause were wrong.\"

LOL!!! Billy this was one game and it was against the Texans. It was a much needed win but it was a win EVERYONE had winning.

The season starts this sunday. The first two games should have been \"gimme\'s\", but I was always looking at games 3-9 as to deterining what this team can do.

Also, from what I have been reading it kinda sounds like the coaching staff may have figured it out that this may be their last year if the team falters. The adjustments at halftime appears to be letting it all hang out. This is what alot of us had been wanting to see.

Lets see what happens with above average competition now.

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FWtex--

Please !! You had the Saints counted out a long time ago. Stay on that ship. No life preservers here for ya buddy :P


FWtex -- click on the link -- Maybe it will help you--


http://www.mmwatersports.com/me_vest...OVMTC=standard

[Edited on 15/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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People, we didn\'t win because Brooks \"showed improvement\". Thats what really pizzez me off about some of ya\'ll. Brooks didn\'t play poorly in week one.

Some of you are complaining about AB focusing in on Horn, but I was watching that game too, and from what \"I\" could see on the screen, I couldn\'t tell if anyone else was really open in the first half. Were they? I DID see our TE drop a pass that hit him in the numbers tho.

I saw Brooks make short throws. I saw Brooks hit Horn IN STRIDE over the middle. I saw Brooks hit Donte\' IN STRIDE down the sideline. I saw Brooks do things he\'s done hundreds of times before -- things that two people in here in particular said he couldn\'t do -- and I heard the fair weather fans in the Dome cheering him as if they never doubted him for a second. I saw receivers CATCH the ball...something I haven\'t seen regularly since mid-season last year. ...and I saw Brooks smile a time or three too. Adda Boy Aaron...you give \'em hell baby!

Furthermore, and on a somewhat related topic, I don\'t think the poster boy for \"backups that should be starting\" did very well yesterday. Does anyone think Jake should have been benched for Rodney? LOL

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1st-There\'s a huge difference between Couldn\'t do, and Wasn\'t doing.
Last week he wasn\'t doing the things you claim we said he couldn\'t do.
(Maybe you weren\'t referring to my comments about him not hitting his WR\'s in stride like WC QB\'s are supposed to do, if so nevermind)
Unfair mis-representation.
I doubt there\'s one person here that feels Brooks CAN\'T do it. Many of us feel he has SUPERSTAR talent, but too often plays average. This week he played to his potential and if he continues, a trip to Hawaii may be his reward.

2nd-When players do well, they get cheered, when they do bad they don\'t.
Get over it. We aren\'t fairweather fans. This week he did the things that warrant getting cheered. Last week he didn\'t, not couldn\'t, didn\'t.

Off saints, No Jake shouldn\'t have been benched for Peete, Weinke maybe, but not Peete :)

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Now saintfan -- I disagree. Brooks was the reason we lost last week and he is the reason we won this week. I\'m ah changing my way of thinking. If ya can\'t beat \'em join \'em.. ;)

[Edited on 15/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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Absolutely fantastic second half of football by the Saints. The team found the one thing they didn\'t have all last week and in the first half....consistency. The second half was absolutely lights out by our team on both sides of the ball.
A couple of things that suprised me:
1- at the beginning of the game I was even starting to get excited at the plays Jay Bellamy was making. He was in the backfield disrupting, making solid tackles......but then he decided to check his pockets for change on the goalline. Carr made him look like a broadcaster.
2- Our DL had a fantastic day. I know Miami was the only team the Texans O-line ever held sackless but that unit had to have some confidence going up against us and the front 4 played their hearts out. They get the game ball as far as I\'m concerned. I give these guys the credit for the low yardage both rushing and passing. They kept our secondary alive in this game.
3- Brooks had a weird day. He was locked on Horn all first half but he made nice throws all day long. He rolled it out, tucked it, made nice play fakes (something I think has been a huge weakness). If I had to find a criticism in his day it would be tough. Bad clock management? As I said before....who cares...we won.
4- Carolina......that says it all. Tom Jackson on primetime before the games saying how Tampa could run the table.....how\'s that sh!t taste Tom?

Defensively, if we turn in that kind of performance on any week we can win. I was very impressed with David Carr in that game as well as the whole Titans recieving corp. They will be a very decent team soon.

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I don\'t have to \"claim\" anything tweeky. It gets posted here constantly. If it matters I wasn\'t referring to your comments from last week tho. If I can find it I\'ll post a quote from \"08\" where he states Brooks CAN\'T make the throws discussed...the very ones he made yesterday. Maybe I can find the posts where Whodat and \"08\" were indicating that this supposed lack of ability was their (latest) reason for benching Brooks and handing the team to the (as they would have us believe) obviously more talented Jake Delhomme.

Lately, the argument has been that, while Brooks is \"ok\", he\'s not right for the \"system\". Now, maybe I\'m wrong, but looked pretty damn good in the \"system\" yesterday.

Finally, I was wrong an you were right. Weinke would probably be the better choice!

:P

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I stand corrected, even though I was basically referring to just the Seattle game.

I don\'t know what Carolina has against Weinke. All the \"experts\" said he looked the best of all 3 in training camp.

Anyway, it appears the Brooks Bashing will have to wait at least one more week before re-commencing... I think ;)

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Billy, you are so predictable. You were picked on as a kid huh?

I knew and probably most others knew that you would react like this after a win. Billy, sorry I have to break this to you but this saints talk is not about YOU. Its about the Saints and if you were not here we would all be saying the same thing.

Its funny how last week when the saints looked horrible and lost you did not say you were wrong about them being a good team BUT now that the saints have won you are saying everyone else was wrong who criticized the team. What gives DUDE!

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Yep -- now I get to take it out on you..... :mad:

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Never tried to make this about me .

I never said I was wrong because I wasn\'t wrong. You seem to be under the impression that I said the Saints are super bowl bound. What I said is that they have a realistic shot at going to the playoffs and anyone (YOU) are foolish to go around spewing your doom and gloom talk after they lost the first game.

See FWtex and I can go and dig up the posts and show you where you are wrong and you can\'t show me where I was wrong, because all I said was ya better wait before you write them off.

I think everyone knows what both of us have said

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Billy, I am not about to spend my time going to hunt down what you said and didn\'t say. It really is not that important to me.

I do however hear some hedging coming out of you more and more. I don\'t think you were using the statement, \"they have a realistic chance to make the playoffs a few weeks ago.\" I may be wrong(but I doubt it) but you had this team being the best in the division if not the NFC. That is a far cry from just having a realistic chance.

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Let\'s stop here just for a minute. Billy, we\'ve been pretty cordial recently and even agreed a few times. However, I have to point this out...

\"What I said is that they have a realistic shot at going to the playoffs and anyone (YOU) are foolish to go around spewing your doom and gloom talk after they lost the first game. \"

It is no more foolish to say that they will not go to the playoffs after one loss than it is to say that they will after one win. In REALITY, their odds of going 1-15 are EXACTLY EQUAL to their odds of going 15-1.

To say that they do not have a chance to go to the playoffs right now is foolish. To say that they will, or that their chances are better than 95% of the other teams in the league is equally as foolish.

Just saying man - if we\'re going to be \"realistic\" about odds, then let\'s be real - not optimistic.

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WhoDat --

I think you have being cordial and disagreeing mixed up. Let\'s see if I can clear this up. You see I said they have a realistic chance at going to the playoffs. I didn\'t say they were going, I said they have a realistic chance. Unlike some members who go to great lengths to say the QB is stupid, the front office isn\'t commited to winning and then make it sound like we have a snow balls chance in hell at going to the playoffs. I\'m sure you have been reading the same stuff I have.................

I do believe and always will beleive that preseason don\'t mean very much. Now you guys obviously think otherwise. I think it is foolish and always will.

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You\'re welcome to think preseason is useless. You\'re also welcome to think we have a chance to make the playoffs. I think maybe you missed my point. You told FW that he was foolish for spewing doom and gloom after the first game. Maybe I\'m misreading that, but to me it translates into: A) It\'s OK to believe that they have a chance at going to the playoffs, B) it is foolish to think that they are not likely to make the playoffs.

My point is simple: NEITHER of those statements is any more realistic or foolish than the other. Get it?

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Nope I don\'t get it. This is a good team and the record was 0-1 last week. Why should you not believe that they have a realistic chance at going to the playoffs? Did they not have a realistic chance at going to the playoffs the last two years??? Did this team just overnight get that bad that they do not have a realistic chance at going to the playoffs. If you answer that question honestly you will find your answer...

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THIS IS THE PROBLEM BILLY!!! THIS RIGHT HERE.

You see, your BELIEF that the Saints CAN go to the playoffs is YOUR OPINION, which you base on certain facts that you then skew to fit your belief.

FW\'s BELIEF that the Saints MAY not go to the playoffs is HIS OPINION, which is based on certain facts that he skews to fit his belief.

Your OPINION is NOT ANY MORE VALID than ANYONE ELSE\'S. If you cannot understand this concept than I honestly have to wonder about your intelligence. I\'m not trying to attack you in any way shape or form man. Seriously, do you not get this?

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One other thing... just to be crystal clear. I\'m not saying that they you are wrong for thinking that they have a chance to go to the playoffs. I\'m not saying FW is wrong for doubting that. I\'m say both OPINIONS are EQUAL - both grounded equally in reality. You need to distinguish between your opinion and every possible outcome of the future. Let me ask you this... is it POSSIBLE for the Saints to go 1-15?