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Hey everyone,
I saw this in the whispers section at www.profootballweekly.com. Some Saints insiders are starting to question whether QB Aaron Brooks can ever become a consistent starter in the NFL, because he continues to make the same mistakes that he has made in the past two years and doesn’t seem to be learning anything from his struggles. Somebody call 911 for Billy, I'm sure he's just had an aneurysm. |
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Nah , just want their credentials and then will call them dilusional . Might add them to his crow buffet list though ...... |
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I bet it\'s Mike Sheppard, he should know more than anybody. ;)
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I\'m not taking the bait :D
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I\'m really starting to get VERY concerned about Billy. Somebody might want to stop over on Ursuline and make sure he\'s OK.
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How about \"Brooksmustgo\" must go!!
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BMG what game will it take for you to lay off of brooks and admit he is a top 5 quarterback, if you say never. Then drop it because you are becoming redundant with the subject. Every time you bring up brooks in a negative light you back it up with nothing just to say you dont like him. I think you might be racist or know nothing about the quarterback posistion. Better yet suggest what quarterback we can get remember not the fantasy league the real one.
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Rather narrow minded to limit posts too only pro Brooks posts , isn\'t it ???
Especially since the season started , 8 quarters have been played . Brooks lived up to his billing in 2 of those quarters . Enough of a dropoff , to even have the sports writers take note . Note the Source : Saints insiders , those within the organization are questioning Brooks . So we as fans are not supposed to do what some within the organization have already begun doing ???? |
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saintz08 -- If i\'m not mistaken that article was written before the season even started. They were talking about the end of the season collapse, when Brooks was hurt. Dude, you want to talk about narrow minded. I think your only purpose here is to constantly bash Aaron Brooks. Most of the posts on this board are about Aaron Brooks sucks and half of those are yours. You don\'t see the Brooks supporters constantly bringing up how great he is. Now, some of us defend him, but the point is we don\'t go posting how great he is.
How many times are you going to say Aaron Brooks sucks??? I\'ve lost count already!! |
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[Edited on 16/9/2003 by tweeky] |
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Actually the reference I am citing is right here:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...ispers1810.htm It was posted Monday September 15, so I guess the season had maybe started by then, but it doesn\'t give any context to believe people were questioning in the preseason. So I guess, and it seems like a reasonable guess that the questioning is going on right now. And no, there\'s no racism in the quarterback position (even though the reasoning behind asking is sort of like, \"hey, have you stopped beating your wife yet?\" I mean really, there\'s no way to answer that). I remember Doug Williams being a very fine quarterback. Warren Moon was a very talented quarterback, up until 6 weeks ago, I thought Donvan McNabb was a very talented quarterback (even though I suspect Donovan\'s problem to be related to having no rushing game). The problem I have with :hallucine:Brooks:hallucine: has zero to do with his skin and everything to do with what\'s between his ears. I said nothing that could be construed as \"bashing\", I merely posted something taken from a reputable online source that might be of interest to the forum. And Billy, I\'m glad to see you\'re still in the land of the living. I was worried that tidbit might have sent you on to glory. :D |
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I\'m beginnig to see why BillyC goes nuts sometimes. I don\'t think A.B. is the second comming of Joe Montana or anything but he doesn\'t suck either. You don\'t put that many points on the board if your Q.B. sucks.
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I will say Brooks play is not the problem with this team.
Now here is the scary part. Brooks is playing just a little better than Quincy Carter who does not have near the talent around him. I am not bashing Brooks here only stating an observation after 2 games. Brooks will be fine and a better player if Haz would stop babying him. |
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I will say this since the name Quincy Carter came up, Bill Parcells coached a hell of a game last night. He went up against a tough defense in the Giants and won with a much poorer offensive group. He had Sean Payton, who should know enough about the Giants to help this, but he made calls that enabled this weak Dallas offense look pretty good.
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Carter\'s really not a bad comparison. I hadn\'t really thought about that before.
Even though Carter is much more of a threat with his feet, I think the comparison is apt. But wow, Parcells really can get a lot of players can\'t he? |
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Quarterback Ranking by Passer Rating 1.Byron Leftwich 2. Daunte Culpepper 3. Drew Bledsoe 4. Trent Dilfer 5. Marc Bulger 6. Matt Hasselbeck 7. Patrick Ramsey 8. Mark Brunell 9. Jay Fiedler 10 Steve McNair 11. Koy Detmer 12. Tommy Maddox 13. Aaron Brooks 14. Vinny Testaverde 15. Rich Gannon J 16. Jeff Garcia 17. Brad Johnson 18. Trent Green 19. Kurt Warner 20. Quincy Carter 21. Jeff Blake 22. Tim Rattay 23. Doug Johnson 24. Alex Van Pelt 25. Peyton Manning 26. Jon Kitna 27. Kerry Collins 28. David Carr 29. Joey Harrington 30. Tom Brady 31. Jake Plummer 32. Steve Beuerlein 33. Drew Brees 34. Brett Favre 35. Rohan Davey 36. Kyle Boller 37. Kordell Stewart 38. Kelly Holcomb 39. Jake Delhomme 40. Rodney Peete [Edited on 17/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] |
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The reason that is a FOOLish statement is because it isn\'t fair. As a matter a fact it\'s down right rediculios. See watch this I can make a rediculos statement too...
Aaron Brooks is playing better right now than than both quarterbacks that were in the superbowl last year. See how that works??? [Edited on 17/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] |
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Billy, Thanks for that breakdown, you brought something else to mind
hmmmmmm....... Maybe we should\'ve drafted Leftwich..........? |
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Billie, Billie, Billie.
I really like it when you give me the opportunity to shove your fat foot in your mouth. I note you only give the ranking but give no stats. Sure when you look at 13 vs. 20 it appears they are not even close. Good try but this should serve to discredit you once again. Brooks - 2 gms,74 att,47 comp,63.5%,463 yds,3 td,1 int,4 sacks, 89 eff. Carter - 2 gms, 72 att, 40 comp, 55.6%, 589yds, 2 td, 2 int, 7 sacks, 75.5 eff.** ** efficiency ratings do not count rushing for some stupid reason. How can they count sacks but not rushing? Remember I said \"Brooks is playing just a little better than Quincy Carter who does not have near the talent around him.\" ... and carter only has 16 games under his belt. Billie quote: \"The reason that is a FOOLish statement is because it isn\'t fair. As a matter a fact it\'s down right rediculios.\" Ok Billie why is it not fair? I can\'t wait to hear your reasoning. |
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Well Billy ,
saintz08 -- If i\'m not mistaken that article was written before the season even started. They were talking about the end of the season collapse, when Brooks was hurt. http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...We+Hear+It/Whi spers/2003/whispers1810.htm Looks like you are mistaken .... :P |
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PFW
New Orleans  The strangest team in the league in my mind. You just don’t know which Saints are going to show up from week to week. Which is why a lose-one, win-one routine that results in an 8-8 record wouldn’t shock me in the least. Nor would a new job at the end of the year for Jim Haslett, who USED TO BE one of my favorite head coaches. PFW is on a roll ........ |
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But the real reason it\'s unfair is that you are attempting to find some QB that everyone considers terrible that has simular stats to Brooks, just for the sake of making Brooks look bad. Carter\'s numbers aren\'t that bad but Brooks is ahead of all those QB\'s that you consider so good. So, you kinda come across as (I won\'t say STUPID) less than intelligent. I\'m sure anyone who has any sense doesn\'t need me to show them how rediculos your comparison is. But, I am doing this for your benefit. I consider it a blessing to help those that are mentally challenged. No \"Thank Yous\" are neccessary -- I\'m sure the look on your face is reward enough-- |
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Saintz08
Could you put that link to the Haslett thing from PFW out? I\'m going to have to review it and start a new thread... |
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BMG -- Bring something to the table dude !! I think you are a Bucs or Falcons fan just trolling on our board --
[Edited on 17/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] |
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BMG
This link is for you ... http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...kush091603.htm Have fun .... :P [Edited on 17/9/2003 by saintz08] |
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Damn Billie you busted me. Yes I did compare Brooks stats to carter to make a point. Carter has been the joke of the league since his first year but so far this year he has played incredibly decent. Brooks has also played decent. If you notice my first comments are always, \" Brooks is not the problem with the team\".
The Difference for carter this year is the coaching staff has put him in positions to play better, whether its mental, play calling or whatever. Brooks does not get this. As for my statement not being fair? I left you a huge bone but you did not take it. I would not argue with you if you had said its only been two games and there have not been enough games to make a big separation. But by basing your argument on the effeciency rating is flawed. The rest of the stats are not to be ignored. The rating is for \"PASSING effeciency\". If the rating was OFFENSE effeciency I would tend to agree that there is a difference between the two. So far Carter has managed to run his offense better than Brooks. My original statement was more meant to show that the saints offense is grossly underperforming and it should be inexcusable. How can a offense with a worse QB, A worse Off. Line, a Worse RB, and a Worse receiving corp be outperforming an offense with a SUPPOSEDLY all pro QB, all Pro RB, All Pro WR corp, and a very competent line? |
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FWtex -- While I like a good arguement. It has never been more clear that there are some folks who just don\'t believe in Brooks and will use anything to show why he isn\'t worthy of leading the Saints offense. It doesn\'t matter what I say. I just hope when Brooks has a fantastic year that you will never claim to be a fan of his. He don\'t need you now and he won\'t need you then.
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LOL, \"I just hope when Brooks has a fantastic year that you will never claim to be a fan of his.\"
I know you are desperately wanting to be Brooks only fan. This is why you keep trying to tell people if they are \"off this or off that\" they had better not get back on. I have this mental picture in my head of Billie with a bag of twinkies in one hand and a twinkie stuffed in his mouth. His face is filthy with food stains and he is riding on the \"wagon\". All these people keep trying to get on the wagon but billie is fending them all off with his food covered free hand and his feet. Twinkie food is flying out of his mouth as he\'s yelling, \"stay off ... this is my wagon and you can\'t get on\". |
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Fwtex –
Enough with the fantasies !! You’re beginning to sound like a pedophile. Now, back to the real world. I see you are making an attempt to get on the Brook’s bandwagon. Do you have no dignity? You constantly bash the guy, yet you try to leave the door open to be a Brook’s supporter !! Dude – at least have some guts and stick with being a Brook’s basher. |
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There are more than just a few hypocritical people on this board, and as Brooks continues to play well it\'ll all come out in the wash. A solid, but less than spectacular quarter or half of football is all the bashers need, but they are only showing their ignorance.
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saintfan and BillyC....I don\'t believe either of you are referring to me with these posts, so I\'m not saying this in effort to defend myself here, but......
I like to think I keep a pretty open mind about any arguement. There is and always has been an arguement on here about Aaron Brooks. I just don\'t understand what it is. The self-labelled Brooks supporters have many times openly acknowledged that he is not flawless, they accept his idiosyncracies as the visible weaknesses that every player will have and they focus on what has been good and what might be better. The title-acquired Brooks bashers have also many times acknowledged that he is the most productive Saints QB ever, that he has elite skills and unlimited potential in this game. They however, focus on the negative aspects of his play in effort to critique what elements in his game are lacking and how he could be a better QB. What is the arguement? Everyone thinks he has done some good things, has some areas that need improvement, but has the necessary abilities to be better. The arguements over will he be better are individual opinions based on nothing. To compare him to other great QB\'s that took time to develop is meaningless. To compare him to elite athletes that busted is meaningless. Everyone that argues this also acknowledges that we will never know until it happens. So why the ine in the sand seperating lovers and haters? |
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LummOX --
There are some members that criticise and called for him to be cut !! Not only have they done that but they go out of there way to bash the guy at every opportunity. That is the problem. |
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Lumm0x,
Beautifully said. I agree 1000% and more. However it won\'t change a single frickin\' thing. The Bashers will keep bashing no matter what. And the Supporters will keep supporting. Why waste your time with logic and sensibility? |
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If anyone doesn\'t see that some members go out of their way to criticise Brooks then you are not fooling me, you are fooling yourself. Get Real !!
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First things first BMG have you stop beating your wife. I dont want to have a all pro brooks forum, but i would like to have a all Saints forum. Some of you seemed more happy after the seattle game than the houston, i am starting to wonder if billy is right about some of the people in hear being fans of other teams. I dont think critisizing the team when the F up makes you a bad fan but critisizing them after they tore a new one into houston makes me think otherwisel. I would hate to watch a game with some of you, i would probably have to pull my foot out your a**es before the halftime show. Remember this is a saints forum.
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Well said Lummox. The way I see it is, since I do believe you\'re right, then if everyone agreed with your post this would be one quiet board. There would be nothing to argue about and call names about. God forbid they\'d have to talk about Saints football. LOL. So keep going you guys. It gives me something to do. Just leave out the name calling. You know who you are, so I won\'t mention any names. :D
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I just can\'t get no sat-is-faction. I try and I try and I try. But I can\'t get no sat-is-faction. :mad:
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Some people simply aren\'t happy unless they\'re complaining about something. I think those of us that support AB aren\'t asking for much really, just a fair comparison. To be critical of our QB\'s performance is mighty fine, but to be overly critical because of an agenda (see Delhomme supporters in general -- among others) or because the man isn\'t perfect is unfair, and those of us that support AB SHOULD call those people out EVERY time, and we do.
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I can plainly see that members go out of their way to criticize Brooks. You\'re right, who can\'t see that. But it\'s not limited to Brooks, members criticize coaches and players of all positions. I doesn\'t make them bashers, but simply critical fans. I have gone out of my way to criticize Brooks in here. I\'ve pointed out his weaknesses in more posts than I care to count. He\'s not perfect and no one in here thinks he is. I will plainly admit that at the end of last season I was openly against him playing in the last game and even the second half of the Cincinnati game. I will still stand behind that call. I still feel he shouldn\'t have been in the game in the second half of the Cincy game, and had took a rest in the second half of that game I would have felt better about the Carolina game if he started. But hindsight is 20/20 and who knows what may have happened. The results may have well been the same and it would be moot.
Anyways, he is not exempt from criticism. Why should he be? And to criticize someone wil in no way detract from what they have done or may do. Brooks touches the ball on virtually every offensive snap and must be included in the assessment of every one of those plays. He is the centerpiece of our offense and thus, any comments will rotate around his performance. He is the crew chief of a unit and if the unit fails to perform, everyone will look to the crew chief. This does not reflect the crew chiefs individual effort, but the unit\'s performance. If you want to stand in the center then you have to be prepared to stand in the front. I really like Brooks and I believe he\'s done enough and does enough to be a starter in this league. I don\'t believe he\'s one of the 5 best QB\'s in this league right now. I don\'t believe he\'s one of the 5 worst either. He\'s one of my favorite Saints players, but I don\'t get upset when someone does criticize him, and I will do it myself. Like I said in a previous post....you seem to have Brooks goggles just like I have Swilling/Payton goggles. That\'s all there is to it, and that\'s not an insult to you but an observation. |
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LummOx,
Exactly what the hell is your definition of BASHER? You make it sound like all critcism is justified. Well it AIN\'T. Not in my book anyway. I could sit here and tell you Pat Swilling was only good at rushing the passer and couldn\'t talkle a runnning back. I could tell you anything about Pat Swilling that\'s unjustified and make unfair comparisons. I think you need to look up the definition of BASHER!! There\'s a big difference between basher and criticism. I guess you are trying to tell me that theres no BROOKS BASHING going on here? Is that what you\'re trying to tell me? Let\'s get this clear. |
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