Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market

02-24-2010, 05:01 PM

Sounds to me like Darren's agent pumped him full of unrealistic expectations and he got dissappointed when he didn't get the francise price he was expecting. Nobody is going to pay a 34yr old safety 6.5million for 1 year deal. Period. I just hope Darren comes to his senses and doesn't pull a Joe Horn.
I think Loomis knows what he's doing.

Choupique · 02-24-2010, 06:39 PM

Not franchising him actually opens the potential for even higher pay.

If someone wants Sharper and they offer an even larger #$ the Saints would have to match or beat that to keep him.

Maybe they are allowing the market to price Darren for them.

None of us know. What I do know for a fact is the Saints staff just
won a super bowl for us so I trust their judgement.

Some of us remember the Ditka years, so yea.

:^p

homerj07 · 02-24-2010, 07:16 PM

No matter what - we need him. He provides the backfield with the fire they need. Much like Vilma does for the defensive front

SaintPauly · 02-24-2010, 08:44 PM

Still curious, as to why my question is being avoided.... Why is Reggie irreplaceable, and it's ridiculous to question paying him 8 million, but it's completely ok to question giving Sharper considerably less than that, because, "Loomis and Payton know what they are doing,"? Age, yes, big difference, but playmaking ability? There is no question on that side of things.

niteadept · 02-24-2010, 08:59 PM

I'm just sitting here watching the Saints/Patriots game again (cause I love watching Tom Brady cry like a lil girl) and Sharper is a beast! I hope we keep him and don't screw up a good thing. I know everyone thinks it will work out, but if it don't, I'm gonna be an angry b***ch!

Saintsfan4ever · 02-24-2010, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Still curious, as to why my question is being avoided.... Why is Reggie irreplaceable, and it's ridiculous to question paying him 8 million, but it's completely ok to question giving Sharper considerably less than that, because, "Loomis and Payton know what they are doing,"? Age, yes, big difference, but playmaking ability? There is no question on that side of things.

Ok, I'll bite.
Actually I'm not following your line of thinking. Most of the post I read on here about Bush's $8mil nearly all agree is too much and they should restructure his contract. Bush is 25 years old.

Darren Sharper is a play maker. No argument from me. But I don't think Sharper is as good without our linebackers being able to cover TE's and slot receivers, and our starting corners Greer and Porter covering thier man. $6.5mil for a 34yr old safety? Hmmmm thats asking alot... allthough thats about what Polamalu is making but he's 28yrs old.

As far as comparing Sharper and Bush's playmaking ability, I'd have to say it's pretty even, perhaps even Bush with a slight edge. I think sometimes Bush's contributions get overlooked. Pierre and Reggie both had 8 TD's in the last regular season. Reggie carried 70 times for a 5.6 average. Go youtube Reggie Bush highlights and come back and tell me he's not a playmaker.

QBREES9 · 02-24-2010, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

He's gonna sign 1 more year. It's all hear say.

Thats great to hear B_Dub_Saint

SaintPauly · 02-25-2010, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever

Ok, I'll bite.
Actually I'm not following your line of thinking. Most of the post I read on here about Bush's $8mil nearly all agree is too much and they should restructure his contract. Bush is 25 years old.

Darren Sharper is a play maker. No argument from me. But I don't think Sharper is as good without our linebackers being able to cover TE's and slot receivers, and our starting corners Greer and Porter covering thier man. $6.5mil for a 34yr old safety? Hmmmm thats asking alot... allthough thats about what Polamalu is making but he's 28yrs old.

As far as comparing Sharper and Bush's playmaking ability, I'd have to say it's pretty even, perhaps even Bush with a slight edge. I think sometimes Bush's contributions get overlooked. Pierre and Reggie both had 8 TD's in the last regular season. Reggie carried 70 times for a 5.6 average. Go youtube Reggie Bush highlights and come back and tell me he's not a playmaker.

Not saying Reggie isn't a playmaker, but what I am saying is for a guy to lead the league in interceptions, and set a new NFL record on return yards, for those int's, I just can't figure out why Reggie gets the benefit of the doubt, and Sharper is getting second guessed here. Is he worth the money he wants? Well, like I said, how many superbowls had we even been too, before he came along? He coached that secondary, into being what they were. If it was a close resemblance to the secondary we had in 08/09, then I could see it. I do believe that Greg Williams had alot to do with it took, but last I checked, Gregg wasn't back there playing safety either.

Sharper deserves to be paid, just as much, if NOT MORE, than anyone else on this team. I have a question, why don't we shop Reggie's trade value? I mean, if we all agree that he's not worth the money?

And as far as my thinking goes, the original question was, and still is: IF it's an uncapped year, and in all likely hood it will be, then why do we care what Sharper gets paid? I believe that same observation was made about Bush, in another thread, and I certainly see it as relevant in this one.

SaintPauly · 02-25-2010, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Choupique

Not franchising him actually opens the potential for even higher pay.

If someone wants Sharper and they offer an even larger #$ the Saints would have to match or beat that to keep him.

Maybe they are allowing the market to price Darren for them.

None of us know. What I do know for a fact is the Saints staff just
won a super bowl for us so I trust their judgement.

Some of us remember the Ditka years, so yea.

:^p

So, what you are saying is, that if Payton, and Loomis brought up the idea of trading Grant, then you would be all for it? But if someone here mentions it, then you are not the "what have you done for me lately" type of fan anymore? Because I am really trying to understand why you went beserk over Grant, and Bush trade talks, but the idea of losing Sharper to FA, doesn't seem to bother you.

Cruize · 02-25-2010, 06:23 AM

Some players complain about not being able to test the market and others feel hurt by not being over-payed, as would have been the case with Sharper being franchised. The Saints will match any offer he gets and it's soley his decision if he wants to leave. It's the best overall situation for everyone in my opinion.

02-24-2010, 05:01 PM	#31
Threaded by Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1 Rating: (0 votes - average) Sounds to me like Darren's agent pumped him full of unrealistic expectations and he got dissappointed when he didn't get the francise price he was expecting. Nobody is going to pay a 34yr old safety 6.5million for 1 year deal. Period. I just hope Darren comes to his senses and doesn't pull a Joe Horn. I think Loomis knows what he's doing.
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02-24-2010, 06:39 PM	#32
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market Not franchising him actually opens the potential for even higher pay. If someone wants Sharper and they offer an even larger #$ the Saints would have to match or beat that to keep him. Maybe they are allowing the market to price Darren for them. None of us know. What I do know for a fact is the Saints staff just won a super bowl for us so I trust their judgement. Some of us remember the Ditka years, so yea. :^p
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02-24-2010, 07:16 PM	#33
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market No matter what - we need him. He provides the backfield with the fire they need. Much like Vilma does for the defensive front

02-24-2010, 08:44 PM	#34
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market Still curious, as to why my question is being avoided.... Why is Reggie irreplaceable, and it's ridiculous to question paying him 8 million, but it's completely ok to question giving Sharper considerably less than that, because, "Loomis and Payton know what they are doing,"? Age, yes, big difference, but playmaking ability? There is no question on that side of things.

02-24-2010, 08:59 PM	#35
niteadept Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 520 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market I'm just sitting here watching the Saints/Patriots game again (cause I love watching Tom Brady cry like a lil girl) and Sharper is a beast! I hope we keep him and don't screw up a good thing. I know everyone thinks it will work out, but if it don't, I'm gonna be an angry b***ch!

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02-24-2010, 10:56 PM	#36
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Still curious, as to why my question is being avoided.... Why is Reggie irreplaceable, and it's ridiculous to question paying him 8 million, but it's completely ok to question giving Sharper considerably less than that, because, "Loomis and Payton know what they are doing,"? Age, yes, big difference, but playmaking ability? There is no question on that side of things. Ok, I'll bite. Actually I'm not following your line of thinking. Most of the post I read on here about Bush's $8mil nearly all agree is too much and they should restructure his contract. Bush is 25 years old. Darren Sharper is a play maker. No argument from me. But I don't think Sharper is as good without our linebackers being able to cover TE's and slot receivers, and our starting corners Greer and Porter covering thier man. $6.5mil for a 34yr old safety? Hmmmm thats asking alot... allthough thats about what Polamalu is making but he's 28yrs old. As far as comparing Sharper and Bush's playmaking ability, I'd have to say it's pretty even, perhaps even Bush with a slight edge. I think sometimes Bush's contributions get overlooked. Pierre and Reggie both had 8 TD's in the last regular season. Reggie carried 70 times for a 5.6 average. Go youtube Reggie Bush highlights and come back and tell me he's not a playmaker.
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02-24-2010, 11:12 PM	#37
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint He's gonna sign 1 more year. It's all hear say. Thats great to hear B_Dub_Saint

02-25-2010, 01:10 AM	#38
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever Ok, I'll bite. Actually I'm not following your line of thinking. Most of the post I read on here about Bush's $8mil nearly all agree is too much and they should restructure his contract. Bush is 25 years old. Darren Sharper is a play maker. No argument from me. But I don't think Sharper is as good without our linebackers being able to cover TE's and slot receivers, and our starting corners Greer and Porter covering thier man. $6.5mil for a 34yr old safety? Hmmmm thats asking alot... allthough thats about what Polamalu is making but he's 28yrs old. As far as comparing Sharper and Bush's playmaking ability, I'd have to say it's pretty even, perhaps even Bush with a slight edge. I think sometimes Bush's contributions get overlooked. Pierre and Reggie both had 8 TD's in the last regular season. Reggie carried 70 times for a 5.6 average. Go youtube Reggie Bush highlights and come back and tell me he's not a playmaker. Not saying Reggie isn't a playmaker, but what I am saying is for a guy to lead the league in interceptions, and set a new NFL record on return yards, for those int's, I just can't figure out why Reggie gets the benefit of the doubt, and Sharper is getting second guessed here. Is he worth the money he wants? Well, like I said, how many superbowls had we even been too, before he came along? He coached that secondary, into being what they were. If it was a close resemblance to the secondary we had in 08/09, then I could see it. I do believe that Greg Williams had alot to do with it took, but last I checked, Gregg wasn't back there playing safety either. Sharper deserves to be paid, just as much, if NOT MORE, than anyone else on this team. I have a question, why don't we shop Reggie's trade value? I mean, if we all agree that he's not worth the money? And as far as my thinking goes, the original question was, and still is: IF it's an uncapped year, and in all likely hood it will be, then why do we care what Sharper gets paid? I believe that same observation was made about Bush, in another thread, and I certainly see it as relevant in this one.
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02-25-2010, 01:15 AM	#39
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market Originally Posted by Choupique Not franchising him actually opens the potential for even higher pay. If someone wants Sharper and they offer an even larger #$ the Saints would have to match or beat that to keep him. Maybe they are allowing the market to price Darren for them. None of us know. What I do know for a fact is the Saints staff just won a super bowl for us so I trust their judgement. Some of us remember the Ditka years, so yea. :^p So, what you are saying is, that if Payton, and Loomis brought up the idea of trading Grant, then you would be all for it? But if someone here mentions it, then you are not the "what have you done for me lately" type of fan anymore? Because I am really trying to understand why you went beserk over Grant, and Bush trade talks, but the idea of losing Sharper to FA, doesn't seem to bother you.

02-25-2010, 06:23 AM	#40
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294	Re: Sharper puzzled by Saints' decision to let him test free-agent market Some players complain about not being able to test the market and others feel hurt by not being over-payed, as would have been the case with Sharper being franchised. The Saints will match any offer he gets and it's soley his decision if he wants to leave. It's the best overall situation for everyone in my opinion.
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