Saints shopping some RFA's

Rugby Saint II · 02-24-2010, 10:38 AM

Strief has become a valuable chess piece for Payton and is used in multiple sets and positions so I don't see him going anywhere. Brown is well known by fans for his holding calls and false starts. Bushrod was was adequate in his first year as a starter, but was he good enough to supplant Brown?

Nwlasaint · 02-24-2010, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Strief has become a valuable chess piece for Payton and is used in multiple sets and positions so I don't see him going anywhere. Brown is well known by fans for his holding calls and false starts. Bushrod was was adequate in his first year as a starter, but was he good enough to supplant Brown?

It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod.

voodooido · 02-24-2010, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Nwlasaint

It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod.

Why not move Stinc over to the left side? Brown is going to want BIG money and I just see him being worth it. Tender him as a 1st rd an hope someone grabs him. If not, cut your losses next year unless a trade comes along.

CantonLegend · 02-24-2010, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Nwlasaint

It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod.

no its not......you answered it yourself

he needed way too much help to have a good season

bushrod had a terrible year and even when he got help he still got beat often......thats a terrible year and im confident that the coaching staff and front office knows this as well

oh and you dont cut your losses if the loss is a pro bowl LT that gets 5 penalties a year and helps make drew brees the least sacked QB in the league

lumm0x · 02-25-2010, 02:02 PM

I think alot of fans think Bushrod was sub-standard because we needed to provide some doubles and chip blocks to help him out. Frankly I think he is about average in the list of starting LT around the league and would have been an upgrade for some teams or at least equal to who they had. Top 5 LT's don't come around all that often. I don't even think of Brown as one although he is a few steps better than Bushrod on their best days.

Bushrod is serviceable and performed adequately. He didn't have a terrible year, he had a couple of off games but overall he overachieved expectations of many. No need to get down on the guy.

I think we keep him and Streif (as he can back up numerous positions and is our jumbo package blocker). Brown can be moved. I'd be happy if we saw a low 2nd rounder for him. Consider what we gave up to get Vilma and that approximates his value as a FA. We're not getting a 1st for him.

mikesaintfan · 02-25-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

we're not getting a 1st for him.

could we use him plus our #32 to move up?..another thread mentioned buffalo

saintsfan601 · 02-25-2010, 10:07 PM

Bushrod was terrible.He single handly lost the Dallas game.

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Brown can be moved. I'd be happy if we saw a low 2nd rounder for him. Consider what we gave up to get Vilma and that approximates his value as a FA. We're not getting a 1st for him.

lesser players than brown have gone for a 1st round pick

i would hate to see the saints let him go because i truely feel they are smart enough to keep him

but if we really wanted to deal him i couldnt see the saints struggling to find a trade partner for a future 1st rounder if the tackle they wanted is gone by the time they pick

Boutte · 02-28-2010, 02:32 AM

J. Brown when healthy is one of the best LTs in the game.

Bushrod is an outstanding young tackle and would start for half of the teams in league. Saying that he had a terrible year is ridiculous.

Same for Strief.

Stinchcomb is a first team Pro-Bowler.

Keep them all and count yourself lucky to have them.

CantonLegend · 02-28-2010, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Bushrod is an outstanding young tackle and would start for half of the teams in league. Saying that he had a terrible year is ridiculous.

nope. bushrod kept our offense from scoring even more points. its obvious that he isnt the pass protecting LT that brown is because our sacks when up a ton

he got a few holding calls and false starts but most of the time he just let the DE go completely and hit drew

some people say he did well in run blocking but he didnt do that very well either. i remember earlier in the year mike bell fumbled in the backfield almost immediately after he took the handoff......he fumbled because he got hit by a defensive lineman that shouldve been blocked by bushrod

its not ridiculous to say bushrod had a terrible year because he did. we won the super bowl with him so obviously hes good right? no

we didnt win the super bowl because of bushrod but i'll tell you that we did lose the dallas game because of bushrod(and payton)......now tell me im wrong

i was very disappointed in not only bushrod, but sean payton for keeping him in the starting position for the entire season rather than letting strief play more

luckily he is not a starter or we would be addressing LT in the draft this year long before we drafted any kind of defensive player

02-24-2010, 10:38 AM	#11
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's Strief has become a valuable chess piece for Payton and is used in multiple sets and positions so I don't see him going anywhere. Brown is well known by fans for his holding calls and false starts. Bushrod was was adequate in his first year as a starter, but was he good enough to supplant Brown?

02-24-2010, 10:44 AM	#12
Nwlasaint Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Haughton, LA Posts: 24	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Strief has become a valuable chess piece for Payton and is used in multiple sets and positions so I don't see him going anywhere. Brown is well known by fans for his holding calls and false starts. Bushrod was was adequate in his first year as a starter, but was he good enough to supplant Brown? It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod.

02-24-2010, 02:55 PM	#13
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's Originally Posted by Nwlasaint It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod. Why not move Stinc over to the left side? Brown is going to want BIG money and I just see him being worth it. Tender him as a 1st rd an hope someone grabs him. If not, cut your losses next year unless a trade comes along.
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02-24-2010, 03:33 PM	#14
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's Originally Posted by Nwlasaint It is hard to say how well Bushrod did this year because they provided him with a lot of help. I don't know that I would want him protecting Drew's blind side all season again. It minimizes our weapons when we have to have Strief play tight end or we use a back to chip for Bushrod. no its not......you answered it yourself he needed way too much help to have a good season bushrod had a terrible year and even when he got help he still got beat often......thats a terrible year and im confident that the coaching staff and front office knows this as well oh and you dont cut your losses if the loss is a pro bowl LT that gets 5 penalties a year and helps make drew brees the least sacked QB in the league

02-25-2010, 02:02 PM	#15
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's I think alot of fans think Bushrod was sub-standard because we needed to provide some doubles and chip blocks to help him out. Frankly I think he is about average in the list of starting LT around the league and would have been an upgrade for some teams or at least equal to who they had. Top 5 LT's don't come around all that often. I don't even think of Brown as one although he is a few steps better than Bushrod on their best days. Bushrod is serviceable and performed adequately. He didn't have a terrible year, he had a couple of off games but overall he overachieved expectations of many. No need to get down on the guy. I think we keep him and Streif (as he can back up numerous positions and is our jumbo package blocker). Brown can be moved. I'd be happy if we saw a low 2nd rounder for him. Consider what we gave up to get Vilma and that approximates his value as a FA. We're not getting a 1st for him.

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02-25-2010, 03:26 PM	#16
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's Originally Posted by lumm0x we're not getting a 1st for him. could we use him plus our #32 to move up?..another thread mentioned buffalo

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02-26-2010, 01:10 AM	#18
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's Originally Posted by lumm0x Brown can be moved. I'd be happy if we saw a low 2nd rounder for him. Consider what we gave up to get Vilma and that approximates his value as a FA. We're not getting a 1st for him. lesser players than brown have gone for a 1st round pick i would hate to see the saints let him go because i truely feel they are smart enough to keep him but if we really wanted to deal him i couldnt see the saints struggling to find a trade partner for a future 1st rounder if the tackle they wanted is gone by the time they pick

02-28-2010, 02:32 AM	#19
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's J. Brown when healthy is one of the best LTs in the game. Bushrod is an outstanding young tackle and would start for half of the teams in league. Saying that he had a terrible year is ridiculous. Same for Strief. Stinchcomb is a first team Pro-Bowler. Keep them all and count yourself lucky to have them.

02-28-2010, 05:43 AM	#20
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints shopping some RFA's Originally Posted by Boutte Bushrod is an outstanding young tackle and would start for half of the teams in league. Saying that he had a terrible year is ridiculous. nope. bushrod kept our offense from scoring even more points. its obvious that he isnt the pass protecting LT that brown is because our sacks when up a ton he got a few holding calls and false starts but most of the time he just let the DE go completely and hit drew some people say he did well in run blocking but he didnt do that very well either. i remember earlier in the year mike bell fumbled in the backfield almost immediately after he took the handoff......he fumbled because he got hit by a defensive lineman that shouldve been blocked by bushrod its not ridiculous to say bushrod had a terrible year because he did. we won the super bowl with him so obviously hes good right? no we didnt win the super bowl because of bushrod but i'll tell you that we did lose the dallas game because of bushrod(and payton)......now tell me im wrong i was very disappointed in not only bushrod, but sean payton for keeping him in the starting position for the entire season rather than letting strief play more luckily he is not a starter or we would be addressing LT in the draft this year long before we drafted any kind of defensive player
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