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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; WhoDat -- Here\'s the difference between you and me. I AM NOT A HYPCRITE !! Unlike you I don\'t waffle back and forth. Let\'s go back in the past shall we? I said points were the only thing that mattered ...

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Old 10-01-2003, 05:19 PM   #71
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WhoDat --

Here\'s the difference between you and me. I AM NOT A HYPCRITE !! Unlike you I don\'t waffle back and forth. Let\'s go back in the past shall we? I said points were the only thing that mattered on offense. But, you on the other hand wanted to point to QB effiency rating. Until last week Brooks was in the top 5 in passing effiencey rating and we had won 1 game. NOW the offense isn\'t scoring points and I\'m calling for a change at QB to see if we can score some points. SEE -- I\'m a man true to my word, I dance to the music my MAN!!

You on the other hand have an AGENDA!!! Your boy Delhomme hasn\'t lived up to YOUR STANDARDS and you have NO criticizm for him. NONE!! Furthermore, Brooks lived up to YOUR STANDARDS and you still criticize the hell out of him. Of course him having one bad game is MUCH WORSE than your boy throwing all those INT\'s in one game.

That\'s why you are a HYPOCRITE and I AM NOT!!

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Old 10-02-2003, 01:27 PM   #72
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Gator --
YOU may wanna blame Brooks for the team\'s problems because he\'s the QB...Whodat might even agree (depending on which way the wind is blowing), but why are you not speaking about poor blocking or dropped passes. Aaron Brooks is NOT responsible for the motivation of ANY OTHER PLAYER on the team and if you or anyone else thinks he is then all I can say is...

...\"LEAD US CHARLIE BROWN, LEAD US!!!\"

You think Bill Parcells leans on any one player to motiate another player on his team? Bill Parcells surely does not.

Brooks isn\'t playing consistant, good football? He played poorly last week for sure, and he played poorly in the Cleveland game (without a running attack) last year for sure...what other games are you tryin to hang on him. If you and I are playin catch and you drop the ball you damn well better not blame me cause I threw it too hard or too soft or because you had to actually reach out one way or the other to get it, cause I\'m gonna laugh at you and tell you to catch the damn ball! You call Brooks a \"slow starter\" but you have what, exactly, to back that up with? Brooks hits his man in the damn chest with the ball and the guy drops it and the drive stalls out. Brooks moves his team down the field only to have a lineman commit a pentalty stalling the drive. These two things stop two drives in the first quarter and Brooks is a slow starter? Surely you can see that pinning what your trying to pin on Brooks with that statement can\'t be done if you look at ALL the variables that contribute to the problem.

Is Archie Manning \"Credible\" in your opinion? Did he win consistantly? Is there some other criteria I\'m missing here? Do you think Terry Bradshaw was a \"hard guy to coach? How about Dan Marino? How about Brett Farve? If you do, then tell me the means by which you\'ve made this assesment of these people. DO tell...

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Old 10-02-2003, 10:37 PM   #73
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Is Archie Manning \"Credible\" in your opinion? Did he win consistantly? Is there some other criteria I\'m missing here? Do you think Terry Bradshaw was a \"hard guy to coach? How about Dan Marino? How about Brett Farve? If you do, then tell me the means by which you\'ve made this assesment of these people. DO tell...

Not sure about your standard of credible , but they were all leaders of the offensive unit , the same cannot be said to any great degree that Brooks is the same . Brooks is more the Jim Everett mold , good arm and lots of potential .

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo
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Old 10-03-2003, 04:15 AM   #74
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AB is not Playing well: FACT
Gator --

A fact is something you can prove!! What you have is an opinion. I find it odd that I\'ve had stats shoved down my throat all off season and all of a sudden they are irrelevant!! Now, everyone wants to talk about intangaibles. I\'ll agree that there are intangibles but there are intangibles for every player, at EVERY position, but no one wants to bring other players into question, or at least not to the degree as AB.

The FACT of the matter is that there are other QB\'s in the league that are playing WORSE than AB and their fans aren\'t calling for them to be benched!! How could this be? Because their teams are winning, because they have a DEFENSE and other players on offenese that are making plays. If the Saints were winning we wouldn\'t even be having this conversation, but now EVERYTHING is being magnified. Look no further than Jake Delhomme. He hasn\'t done great by any stretch of the imagination. He just has the benifit of playing on a team that has a great defense and running back. Put AB in that same situation and see if ANYONE is calling for his head.

The QB position is always the first one to be blamed when a TEAM is losing. It makes no difference if the DEFENSE is giving up over 25 or 30 points per game, the QB is expected to overcome this. To say that AB is playing poorly is laughable, when you consider he has played better than just about ANYONE on the team in 3 out of 4 games.

If ANYONE is saying that AB is the REASON that the offense is struggling, then they are IGNORANT !! The REAL truth is that the WHOLE offense has struggled at different points and it has ALL contributed to the poor performance by the offense. The play calling, Deuce, Joe Horn, Donte, Conwell, the offensive line, and right on down the line have struggled and have caused drives to stall. Yes you can include AB as having stuggled at certain times, but to try to say he is at more fault than ANYONE ELSE is ridiculous !!

Why some memebers on here refuse to look at anything else and try to say that AB is at fault is beyond me. To me, it shows are clear lack of knowledge!! And don\'t be trying to tell me that there are not members that aren\'t saying that.
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\"The majority of people here including myself believe AB is not playing well. Yes his play at QB is dependant on others. But to say as you do, that its totally dependent makes the guy BULLET PROOF when it comes to evaluting how he is playing. \" -- Gatorman

Gator, you\'re indicating that I\'m saying something I\'m not...a recognized \"Whodat\" tactic. Brooks is not immune and I\'m not giving the man a \"free pass\". My point is now what it has always been, and that is that people on this board are after the guy...PERIOD. To say he\'s playing OK but he must shoulder the blame because of the position he\'s playing is a cop out. If you KNOW receivers are dropping balls the ncall \'em out on it rather than bench the QB because he doesn\'t hit in the numbers EVERY time. If you KNOW the line isn\'t blocking worth a damn call \'em out on it rather than bench the QB because he rarely has time to set his feet before he throws. Don\'t blame the QB because it\'s easy...fix the DAMN PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeesh...

As for geting receivers decked, you and I both know who leads the league in that department...seems though that I\'m the only one between the two of us that\'ll mention the \"hallowed\" name, and that name is Brett Farve. He also throws off his back foot and tosses TONS of interceptions too...always has. Got any stats to disprove it? Didn\'t think so. Neither does Whodat or Saints 08.

Bottom line is if Aaron Brooks were to stink up the place for weeks on end then yeah, bench him, but the FACT of the matter is he hasn\'t. He didn\'t show very well last week and that IS a fact, but benching him now is not the solution to the problems this team is having and deep down in your heart you know it. Anyone who watches the games and is willing to be honest with themselves knows it too.

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