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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by strato So what happened any news? Not that I know, but it's not like the April 15th deadline is of any real significance to us signing them. The passing of that deadline just means that other teams ...

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Old 04-16-2010, 11:11 AM   #31
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So what happened any news?

Not that I know, but it's not like the April 15th deadline is of any real significance to us signing them. The passing of that deadline just means that other teams can't sign them.

In other words, the time for the scenario where another team comes in and signs them, then we must match or lose the player is over.
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Old 04-16-2010, 11:36 AM   #32
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Re: New Orleans Saints uncertain about decisions of Pierre Thomas, Jahri Evans, others

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
ZOINKS !!!!!!!!!! that's crazy talk right there. Let me guess, "it was Reggie Bush's intimidation as a Decoy" that allowed Pierre to keep the season rolling as he continually converted on huge plays, make something out of nothing, refuse to go down, know how to find holes and proved to be the teams most consistent and most potent threat out of the backfield. What does that leave us with? The hit or miss Reggie Bush, and little proven Hamilton?

Pierre Thomas epitomizes the term "a keeper" in the NFL to me....

Bush showed some moments of flashiness and dedication, but showed an equal amount of games and outings where he was completely ineffective and spent the majority of games tugging his shoulder pads behind Payton.

This last season rode on the back of Pierre.... what do you gain from replacing that? What we know is Pierre is no nonsense, no gamble, gonna get it done productivity. Minus him, we're left with Bush, Hamilton and whoever else comes their way free agency or draft.... in other words, gamble. Are we back to gambling again.... after we've got proven guys?

Thing is, I can't help but sense a delusional favoritism from some fans that are bent on seeing Bush take over the show and I'm afraid it's just not going to happen. To some, Pierre represents an obstacle in the way of the Reggie Show (I don't think everyone can deny this, because it's obvious... so spare me). To me, I just want to Saints to roll. When Pierre carries the load and performs more than would be considered, it's like... he's cool, we should keep him. Bush exhibits a few flashes of effectiveness (following ineffectiveness) and everyone does backflips... could go back to dropping the ball mid exchange in the backfield and nothings nothing ? It's a simple fact of favoritism, and seeing what you want to see.

I liked the tandem of Pierre / Bush to conclude our season. BUT, I wouldn't bet that the same Bush shows up in following years. So, keep him, appease the masses, but if you lose the guys that carried the load, so goes the success.


Wow! You must really hate Reggie Bush. It seems like the vast majority of your posts are simply bashing & trashing him. Sounds like you're in minority amongst Saints fans and it actually gets pretty old. Give it a rest!
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Old 04-16-2010, 11:36 AM   #33
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Reggie's game seriously depends on everybody else executing correctly a good game plan. We have a terrible special teams coach. imho Reggie is not an every down back but does his job effectively (when he's healthy) Would he be as good in another system? I doubt it. Is he good here? Heck yes. Is he worth the money? He makes plays and creates mismatches all over the field.....yeah, yeah, I know more of the same old rhetoric. I like Reggie a lot. Do I love him?........errr no. Viva La Saints.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:02 PM   #34
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Will the every player in the NFL be an unrestricted FA next year? These one year contracts come in bundles every day of the week.
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Old 04-16-2010, 01:18 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
OK, regardless of this master plan that the world has to make Reggie suck... here's the thing, Great players DO make something out of nothing. Players we keep holding out high hopes for, keep "trying" to make something out of nothing.

secondly, the didn't kick deep excuse / theory is typical desperate BS, but hardly true. He wasn't running up for returns. it's the typical rhetoric that viewers recycle every time he get's shut down returning.

What I remember is Reggie going down by the first guy on the scene, often by shoestring tackles in most cases. Are we really going to do this... we're going to have a debate based of of excuses?

Reggie is towards the bottom of the list on NFL PR's for Fair Catches.
prove it.....but more than that....show how many less times we put him back there compared to guys like lance moore and courtney roby etc.....reggie wasnt our only punt returner this season

and I don't even want to have a debate with you if you have any inclination that Pierre's abilities and his success was due credit to the effectiveness of the offensive line.... Brees, no doubt, but Pierre is all playmaker.
If you're theory is true wouldn't Bush be a great RB behind our offensive line? How is it that he self implodes behind our line, yet Pierre is gonna get his yards? Your theories are so full of double standards it's dizzying.

those three running backs you mentioned are about as good as it get's for the NFL. they weren't the product of good lines, they are pure playmakers and performed under all circumstances. they simply got older and accumulated injuries.... you don't know THIS!!??

citing Pierre as an average product of his O line and crediting Emmitt, LT's and Jones success on the effectiveness of their O-lines, YET, you're here to defend Reggie Bush makes me wonder how you even see well enough to type with those blinders on?
lmao.....you have no idea what i said and further more have no idea what you are talking about

i defended reggies punt returns.....not his running......however if you want to get into it

reggie averaged 5.6 ypc and had 30 less carries than the year before.....but managed only 15 yards less rushing than in'08

oh yea.....and reggie is a 97 speed on madden.....that proves it

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Old 04-16-2010, 01:56 PM   #36
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prove it.....but more than that....show how many less times we put him back there compared to guys like lance moore and courtney roby etc.....reggie wasnt our only punt returner this season



lmao.....you have no idea what i said and further more have no idea what you are talking about

i defended reggies punt returns.....not his running......however if you want to get into it

reggie averaged 5.6 ypc and had 30 less carries than the year before.....but managed only 15 yards less rushing than in'08

oh yea.....and reggie is a 97 speed on madden.....that proves it

Here's Reggies "Fair Catches":

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Nine on the season, tied at #26 fewest in the NFL.

And for sh!ts and giggles, why don't you check out where he sits check out his AVG:

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

now, how are you going to further change the subject.... or even dig yourself deeper into excuses. Have no idea what "I'm" talking about? How clever of an argument you've got there.... Oh, where are Lance Moore on Cortney Roby on that list?

... this coming from someone who is going to tell me some of the greatest RB's in NFL's history was result of their O line?

I'm going to tell you right now. If you are going to bring "excuses" into an argument to back up a players capabilities or lack of.... it's going nowhere. See, IMAO, I think you sound like a tool repeating typical Reggie hype rhetoric. See, he was "supposed" to be our great PR guy right. Carried all the hype and constant exaggeration (otherwise known as hope). In reality (where I live), he sucks majorly at as a PR guy... plain and simple... and if it wasn't for his major hype, major salary and lack of skill sets to offer otherwise, he wouldn't even be returning punts with the display he's put on. I don't enjoy the fact that he sucks, but I can't bring my self to the brain numbing state of accepting it and even more, defending him based of the premise of excuses.

IMAO, you're a tool incapable of thinking for yourself.

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Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
Here's Reggies "Fair Catches":

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Nine on the season, tied at #26 fewest in the NFL.

And for sh!ts and giggles, why don't you check out where he sits check out his AVG:

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

now, how are you going to further change the subject.... or even dig yourself deeper into excuses. Have no idea what "I'm" talking about? How clever of an argument you've got there.... Oh, where are Lance Moore on Cortney Roby on that list?

... this coming from someone who is going to tell me some of the greatest RB's in NFL's history was result of their O line?

I'm going to tell you right now. If you are going to bring "excuses" into an argument to back up a players capabilities or lack of.... it's going nowhere. See, IMAO, I think you sound like a tool repeating typical Reggie hype rhetoric. See, he was "supposed" to be our great PR guy right. Carried all the hype and constant exaggeration (otherwise known as hope). In reality (where I live), he sucks majorly at as a PR guy... plain and simple... and if it wasn't for his major hype, major salary and lack of skill sets to offer otherwise, he wouldn't even be returning punts with the display he's put on. I don't enjoy the fact that he sucks, but I can't bring my self to the brain numbing state of accepting it and even more, defending him based of the premise of excuses.

IMAO, you're a tool incapable of thinking for yourself.
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Old 04-16-2010, 02:21 PM   #38
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To be honest I would trade a few of these guys. Next year they will be gone anway. Moore, Brown and Roby woulkd be expendable to me. we could pick up some nice picks for those 3. I see a rd2, rd3 and 2 rd5's if we traded those 3.
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But Brown went to the probowl...lol
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To be honest I would trade a few of these guys. Next year they will be gone anway. Moore, Brown and Roby woulkd be expendable to me. we could pick up some nice picks for those 3. I see a rd2, rd3 and 2 rd5's if we traded those 3.
Brown proved expendable and replaceable.... although Bushrod was vulnerable at times, he started to hold it down well enough over time.

Moore is a heck of a weapon and I feel was underused. He needs to be capable of staying healthy for extended periods of time. What was it, a hamstring always ailing him? If and when healthy, it's adds a nice threat over the middle... he can constantly be used like Wes Welker or Dallas Clark. Not to mention, he adds another option as a PR guy. If there's more to his health, he could prove expendable. Also, it got to a point where he seemed like he was in the Payton doghouse and excluded for unforseen reasons... who knows?

Roby, with the depth of our WR's is just a luxury, but he's also the teams best ST's return guy. I think for this reason alone, he should be retained. I also, for the life of me couldn't figure out why he wasn't utilized as Punt Returner as well.... especially if he's not being used in the offensive playbook. If that's all they're gonna use him for and he's proven good, consistently good, why not let him return punts? Another overlooked fact is that he was probably the best ST's coverage guy. It's something that get's taken for granted, but he was almost always the first guy on the spot when covering kicks. He's a heck of a gunner.

Saying that, I think that there are replacements out there for these guys skill sets, but it baffles me to no end how people are just as quick to abandon a proven commodity and look to the drafts for replacement players. Is the gamble where the excitements at? I thought the goal of a franchise is get all of the pieces in place to make up champions.... then hold it together and mesh from that?

The fact is, Roby and Moore may not be all pro players, but even still, they are better than the majority of the guys that come in off drafts. The gamble is gone, we know they're good. They can do everything asked of them... in that sense, it doesn't get better. Why would you be so quick to just dilute the formula that created a S.B. winning team?
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