TE Jimmy Graham

D_it_up · 04-23-2010, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

oh yeah?
Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback."

and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside "

Oh, yeah. Dunbar has not played a single down at middle linebacker since he's been in the NFL. Every snap he's been in on defense has been on the outside, so you are wrong about him.

Arnoux hasn't seen the field, so neither one of us can honestly evaluate whether he can or can't play the outside. Scouting reports are always conflicting, because it depends on who the scout that is evaluating the player. So, since that is the case, we are both wrong until we see where he is put on the field.

D_it_up · 04-23-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

So your claiming Arnoux is a middle linebacker by posting a scouting report saying he can't play middle linebacker?

I was wondering that myself. Big contradiction there.

Ashley · 04-24-2010, 12:12 AM

i like it, at first i was like "?" But after hearing his interview on wwl. I like it, plus just watching a few videos on him. This dude could make it

jcp026 · 04-24-2010, 12:39 AM

You guys are way off on Jimmy Graham. He's going to be a good player for us. I wanted him but there's no way I take him ahead of Everson Griffen and Cam Thomas. There's no way I would have passed on Kindle in the first.

Looks like Brown and Sharper could be on the move.

iceshack149 · 04-24-2010, 01:37 AM

I guess I'm a douchebag but I don't like the pick. It's a project pick at a position that may need attention but certainly not before almost anything defense. And on top of that, 2 of 3 picks went to offense. The #1 rated offense really for about 4 years now.

I know that QB's love a good TE but a project in the third seems goofy.

I do believe, however, that a benefit of this pick is that he is a TE from the U of Miami like Shockey so Shockey will most likely teach him everything he knows and will probably be very encouraging to the kid.

SmashMouth · 04-24-2010, 06:38 AM

I seem to have a flashback to last year's comments by us when we drafted guys who prompted us to make these very same kinds of comments. They did prove invaluable picks as the season went on. I think this is a continuation of this trend. And we'll be thanking SP and Loomis during this season for TWO DAT!

CheramieIII · 04-24-2010, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by poydras

I don't care if he won the heisman trophy. We don't need another tight end.

Agreed and unless we already had JB traded for an OLB or DT we didn't need to draft an OT in the 2nd either.

LBCutta · 04-24-2010, 06:50 AM

I've watched Jimmy Graham play this past season. Trust me, he is a beast. Big Physical TE and with pretty good hands. With a little mentoring from Shockely and others he will be a great TE.

Danno · 04-24-2010, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by KingCutta

I've watched Jimmy Graham play this past season. Trust me, he is a beast. Big Physical TE and with pretty good hands. With a little mentoring from Shockely and others he will be a great TE.

Thats what I keep reading everwhere. People that have seen him play a lot think he has the upside of a Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates. He COULD be a superstar if he develops as anticipated.

I love this pick, but he won't pay huge dividends until 2011 and beyond.

dizzle88 · 04-24-2010, 08:50 AM

Personally i like the pick, i still think we should have looked at Linebacker or DT, but think about this, this guy is 6-5 250 pounds, and runs a 4.5 40 yard dash, which was similar to colston. If we split this guy out against a linebacker or even a corner who at the most will stand at 5-11. Who will defenses choose to cover? They couldnt stop our attack to begin with, so now payton can say well who ya gunna cover, we got pierre, bush, colston,meachem,moore,devery,shockey, dave thomas,and now this kid. SERIOUS MATCHUP PROBLEMS!!!!

04-23-2010, 11:08 PM	#71
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by poydras oh yeah? Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback." and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside " Oh, yeah. Dunbar has not played a single down at middle linebacker since he's been in the NFL. Every snap he's been in on defense has been on the outside, so you are wrong about him. Arnoux hasn't seen the field, so neither one of us can honestly evaluate whether he can or can't play the outside. Scouting reports are always conflicting, because it depends on who the scout that is evaluating the player. So, since that is the case, we are both wrong until we see where he is put on the field.

04-23-2010, 11:09 PM	#72
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by stockman311 So your claiming Arnoux is a middle linebacker by posting a scouting report saying he can't play middle linebacker? I was wondering that myself. Big contradiction there.

04-24-2010, 12:12 AM	#73
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: TE Jimmy Graham i like it, at first i was like "?" But after hearing his interview on wwl. I like it, plus just watching a few videos on him. This dude could make it

04-24-2010, 12:39 AM	#74
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 950	Re: TE Jimmy Graham You guys are way off on Jimmy Graham. He's going to be a good player for us. I wanted him but there's no way I take him ahead of Everson Griffen and Cam Thomas. There's no way I would have passed on Kindle in the first. Looks like Brown and Sharper could be on the move.
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04-24-2010, 01:37 AM	#75
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,085 Blog Entries: 1	Re: TE Jimmy Graham I guess I'm a douchebag but I don't like the pick. It's a project pick at a position that may need attention but certainly not before almost anything defense. And on top of that, 2 of 3 picks went to offense. The #1 rated offense really for about 4 years now. I know that QB's love a good TE but a project in the third seems goofy. I do believe, however, that a benefit of this pick is that he is a TE from the U of Miami like Shockey so Shockey will most likely teach him everything he knows and will probably be very encouraging to the kid.
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04-24-2010, 06:38 AM	#76
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,958 Blog Entries: 29	Re: TE Jimmy Graham I seem to have a flashback to last year's comments by us when we drafted guys who prompted us to make these very same kinds of comments. They did prove invaluable picks as the season went on. I think this is a continuation of this trend. And we'll be thanking SP and Loomis during this season for TWO DAT!

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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by poydras I don't care if he won the heisman trophy. We don't need another tight end. Agreed and unless we already had JB traded for an OLB or DT we didn't need to draft an OT in the 2nd either.

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LBCutta 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Killeen, TX....Born in Marrero, LA Posts: 592	Re: TE Jimmy Graham I've watched Jimmy Graham play this past season. Trust me, he is a beast. Big Physical TE and with pretty good hands. With a little mentoring from Shockely and others he will be a great TE.

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by KingCutta I've watched Jimmy Graham play this past season. Trust me, he is a beast. Big Physical TE and with pretty good hands. With a little mentoring from Shockely and others he will be a great TE. Thats what I keep reading everwhere. People that have seen him play a lot think he has the upside of a Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates. He COULD be a superstar if he develops as anticipated. I love this pick, but he won't pay huge dividends until 2011 and beyond.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Personally i like the pick, i still think we should have looked at Linebacker or DT, but think about this, this guy is 6-5 250 pounds, and runs a 4.5 40 yard dash, which was similar to colston. If we split this guy out against a linebacker or even a corner who at the most will stand at 5-11. Who will defenses choose to cover? They couldnt stop our attack to begin with, so now payton can say well who ya gunna cover, we got pierre, bush, colston,meachem,moore,devery,shockey, dave thomas,and now this kid. SERIOUS MATCHUP PROBLEMS!!!!
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