Shawn Merriman

CantonLegend · 04-24-2010, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

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i can take you all on

jeanpierre · 04-24-2010, 11:56 AM

Okay So the Saints drafted a cornerback in Round 1, an offensive tackle in round 2 and a tight end in round 3 (what was the investment in Shockey?!?) and I spend the last two days in the hospital with ESPN blocked by the medical staff...

Just got discharged and I'm going the New Orleans to kick Mickey Loomis and his staff in the knutz...

Want to draft a guy at his value spot...fine

Trade up and get your guys, you;ve got bullets in Brown and Harper...

You trade to get a punter but not a defensive lineman or linebacker?!?

I can't wait to see this one play out...

TheDeuce · 04-24-2010, 12:05 PM

I agree that getting a OLB or DT would have been nice early on, but I'm guessing at #32 they didn't have a OLB or DT rated high enough to pick there. Also remember last season when we had a few injuries in the defensive backfield that we were signing dudes off the street. This gives us great depth and a lot of young talent. There were years when we had the worst secondary in the NFL, that's far from true now.

The second round pick was a great pick, IMO. Stud LTs are such an important part of a team's success. Protecting Brees should be priority #1 and we helped that.

The TE pick I don't really agree with. I think Shockey and Thomas gave us a lot of production from that position last year, plus I believe Miller is coming back this season. Don't really understand taking the TE when we could have used an OLB.

Al Woods has a lot of talent. Played at a small high school, never redshirted, got thrown right into the mix of playing in the SEC right away, and got better with time. His senior season was by far his best. I think that he's got a lot of athletic ability, and with some more coaching, could be a good DT for us.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-24-2010, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Yeah cheater. I know this english thing is new to you, so I'll explain what cheater means. He got busted for taking banned substances. Not adderal like Hartley did, but STEROIDS. That's cheating. He got a 4-game suspension for it.

This guy is not worth the trouble. When he was juicing he was a sack machine, he had 17 the year he got busted. Since then, with no steroids, he had 12.5 in 2007, 0 in 2008, and 4 in 2009.

He also has a slew of injury problems over the last few years and his production has plummeted.

Add on top of that his off the field issues, and I don't know what we're thinking. If we're going to give up Brown, why don't we make it for a guy who isn't a cheater, isn't hurt, and doesn't have distractions?

... well, even though it is my 3rd language, I least I know that English is a proper noun and the "E" should be a capital letter. What's your excuse?

... as for "cheating" (a word that popped into the conversation during Baseball's version of the Red Scare), Football is a violent game. People get hurt when they play the game. I find it hypocritical to ask these men to go out and run faster, hit harder, etc. and not allow them to use whatever they need to heal or to give them the strength to withstand the punishment the game doles out.

You may think the average NFL player is "clean", and all that strength and speed comes natural, but the reality is different. There's more to using steroids and other substances than just growing muscles.

But if you want to go the Baseball route and describe them as cheaters, be my guest. I'm old now, but being that I've played contact/violent sports since I was 6 years old, I have a very different perspective on using pharmaceuticals to heal the body and to help the body withstand the punishment people demand to see and cheer for.

TheDeuce · 04-24-2010, 12:30 PM

That's a sad way to look at it... what about the guys who don't use steroids or HGH? Where's the integrity? There should be a level playing field, and guys who take banned substances deserve what they get (and IMO, should get tougher punishments).

I'm not being naive either, I know that there are other players who use. But this is America, you're innocent until proven guilty. Merriman has been proven guilty. He cheated. He knowingly took STEROIDS (not a miscellaneous banned substance, but STEROIDS). He did it to gain an advantage on other people.

ArmySaintFan · 04-24-2010, 02:40 PM

LOL...how many years ago did Merriman get in trouble for this...like 3 or 4 wasn't it?? give the guy a break! and the other issues wasn't shockey supposed to be a trouble maker as well? he has done alright....I am all for giving Merriman a chance to get his Career back on track...

st thomas · 04-24-2010, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

lol statistically they were 3rd......but you know exactly what i meant

the ravens have continued to put a dominant defense on the field over the past decade.....even without their defensive coordinator they continue to produce

they know exactly what they are doing when they draft defense and they know who they are getting

they've done it very well and have become one of the best, if not the best expansion team to ever join the league in such a short amount of time because of their ability to evaluate talent

am i bummed we didnt get cody....sure.....but i knew we wouldnt take him

am i happy for him that he went to one of the best defenses EVER? yea

the real coach is on the field for the ravens and when he's done i think the de becomes avg.

CantonLegend · 04-24-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

the real coach is on the field for the ravens and when he's done i think the de becomes avg.

possibly.....but they just drafted a DT who is going to make ray ray's career a year or 2 longer

st thomas · 04-24-2010, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

possibly.....but they just drafted a DT who is going to make ray ray's career a year or 2 longer

quite possible, but remember sully legend. he he lol.

TheEnigma · 04-24-2010, 04:57 PM

I hope this is true, I have been hoping that we get him.

04-24-2010, 11:54 AM	#31
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Shawn Merriman Originally Posted by TheDeuce p.s. - I <3 stockman i can take you all on

04-24-2010, 11:56 AM	#32
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Shawn Merriman Okay So the Saints drafted a cornerback in Round 1, an offensive tackle in round 2 and a tight end in round 3 (what was the investment in Shockey?!?) and I spend the last two days in the hospital with ESPN blocked by the medical staff... Just got discharged and I'm going the New Orleans to kick Mickey Loomis and his staff in the knutz... Want to draft a guy at his value spot...fine Trade up and get your guys, you;ve got bullets in Brown and Harper... You trade to get a punter but not a defensive lineman or linebacker?!? I can't wait to see this one play out...
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04-24-2010, 12:05 PM	#33
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Shawn Merriman I agree that getting a OLB or DT would have been nice early on, but I'm guessing at #32 they didn't have a OLB or DT rated high enough to pick there. Also remember last season when we had a few injuries in the defensive backfield that we were signing dudes off the street. This gives us great depth and a lot of young talent. There were years when we had the worst secondary in the NFL, that's far from true now. The second round pick was a great pick, IMO. Stud LTs are such an important part of a team's success. Protecting Brees should be priority #1 and we helped that. The TE pick I don't really agree with. I think Shockey and Thomas gave us a lot of production from that position last year, plus I believe Miller is coming back this season. Don't really understand taking the TE when we could have used an OLB. Al Woods has a lot of talent. Played at a small high school, never redshirted, got thrown right into the mix of playing in the SEC right away, and got better with time. His senior season was by far his best. I think that he's got a lot of athletic ability, and with some more coaching, could be a good DT for us.
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04-24-2010, 12:11 PM	#34
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Shawn Merriman Originally Posted by TheDeuce Yeah cheater. I know this english thing is new to you, so I'll explain what cheater means. He got busted for taking banned substances. Not adderal like Hartley did, but STEROIDS. That's cheating. He got a 4-game suspension for it. This guy is not worth the trouble. When he was juicing he was a sack machine, he had 17 the year he got busted. Since then, with no steroids, he had 12.5 in 2007, 0 in 2008, and 4 in 2009. He also has a slew of injury problems over the last few years and his production has plummeted. Add on top of that his off the field issues, and I don't know what we're thinking. If we're going to give up Brown, why don't we make it for a guy who isn't a cheater, isn't hurt, and doesn't have distractions? ... well, even though it is my 3rd language, I least I know that English is a proper noun and the "E" should be a capital letter. What's your excuse? ... as for "cheating" (a word that popped into the conversation during Baseball's version of the Red Scare), Football is a violent game. People get hurt when they play the game. I find it hypocritical to ask these men to go out and run faster, hit harder, etc. and not allow them to use whatever they need to heal or to give them the strength to withstand the punishment the game doles out. You may think the average NFL player is "clean", and all that strength and speed comes natural, but the reality is different. There's more to using steroids and other substances than just growing muscles. But if you want to go the Baseball route and describe them as cheaters, be my guest. I'm old now, but being that I've played contact/violent sports since I was 6 years old, I have a very different perspective on using pharmaceuticals to heal the body and to help the body withstand the punishment people demand to see and cheer for.
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04-24-2010, 12:30 PM	#35
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Shawn Merriman That's a sad way to look at it... what about the guys who don't use steroids or HGH? Where's the integrity? There should be a level playing field, and guys who take banned substances deserve what they get (and IMO, should get tougher punishments). I'm not being naive either, I know that there are other players who use. But this is America, you're innocent until proven guilty. Merriman has been proven guilty. He cheated. He knowingly took STEROIDS (not a miscellaneous banned substance, but STEROIDS). He did it to gain an advantage on other people.
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04-24-2010, 02:40 PM	#36
ArmySaintFan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171	Re: Shawn Merriman LOL...how many years ago did Merriman get in trouble for this...like 3 or 4 wasn't it?? give the guy a break! and the other issues wasn't shockey supposed to be a trouble maker as well? he has done alright....I am all for giving Merriman a chance to get his Career back on track...

04-24-2010, 03:37 PM	#37
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Shawn Merriman Originally Posted by CantonLegend lol statistically they were 3rd......but you know exactly what i meant the ravens have continued to put a dominant defense on the field over the past decade.....even without their defensive coordinator they continue to produce they know exactly what they are doing when they draft defense and they know who they are getting they've done it very well and have become one of the best, if not the best expansion team to ever join the league in such a short amount of time because of their ability to evaluate talent am i bummed we didnt get cody....sure.....but i knew we wouldnt take him am i happy for him that he went to one of the best defenses EVER? yea the real coach is on the field for the ravens and when he's done i think the de becomes avg.

04-24-2010, 03:42 PM	#38
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Shawn Merriman Originally Posted by st thomas the real coach is on the field for the ravens and when he's done i think the de becomes avg. possibly.....but they just drafted a DT who is going to make ray ray's career a year or 2 longer

04-24-2010, 04:05 PM	#39
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Shawn Merriman Originally Posted by CantonLegend possibly.....but they just drafted a DT who is going to make ray ray's career a year or 2 longer quite possible, but remember sully legend. he he lol.

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TheEnigma 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 711	Re: Shawn Merriman I hope this is true, I have been hoping that we get him.
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