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falconhater 04-26-2010 01:05 PM

Draft Grade formula
 
Grading System
5.00 to 4.00 -- Franchise Prospect -- A player who can change the course of a game and a consistent performer. Multiple Pro Bowl possibilities and top ten selection.
3.99 to 3.10 -- Quality Prospect -- Someone that consistently gives good performances. Occasional Pro Bowl appearances.
3.09 to 2.75 -- First-Year Contributor -- Prospect that has the ability to make plays from the get-go and start early into his rookie season.
2.74 to 2.45 -- Future Starter -- A good athlete that must learn to be a football player or someone who is an "overachiever". Quality prospect with long term potential
2.44 to 2.35 -- Fence Player -- Prospect on the fence that has the skills and abilities to succeed but needs time and patience to develop those skills to the fullest.
2.34 to 1.99 -- Practice Squad -- Late-round draft pick or priority free agent that must develop his talents on the practice squad
1.98 to 1.50 -- Free Agent -- Player who will make a 60 or 80 man roster.


Grading System - 2010 Draft Tracker - SI.com

Using this chart and SI's grade for our draft picks which are as follows:

Charles Brown-- 2.96
Patrick robinson 2.89
Matt Tennant -- 2.84
James Graham -- 2.80
Al Woods -- 2.79
Sean Canfield -- 2.02
total-------------16.3/6 = 2.71

Divided by number of picks 6 equals a draft grade of 2.71

2.74 to 2.45 -- Future Starter -- A good athlete that must learn to be a football player or someone who is an "overachiever". Quality prospect with long term potential


Based on this formula we drafted for the future which is what a standing champion should have the luxury of doing.

Thoughts?

strato 04-26-2010 01:10 PM

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We need a DT and LB the most...but thats some good future right there.

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 01:30 PM

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we didnt address the most pressing needs on our team

great to draft for the future.....but what about now?

biloxi-indian 04-26-2010 02:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 222273)
Grading System
5.00 to 4.00 -- Franchise Prospect -- A player who can change the course of a game and a consistent performer. Multiple Pro Bowl possibilities and top ten selection.
3.99 to 3.10 -- Quality Prospect -- Someone that consistently gives good performances. Occasional Pro Bowl appearances.
3.09 to 2.75 -- First-Year Contributor -- Prospect that has the ability to make plays from the get-go and start early into his rookie season.
2.74 to 2.45 -- Future Starter -- A good athlete that must learn to be a football player or someone who is an "overachiever". Quality prospect with long term potential
2.44 to 2.35 -- Fence Player -- Prospect on the fence that has the skills and abilities to succeed but needs time and patience to develop those skills to the fullest.
2.34 to 1.99 -- Practice Squad -- Late-round draft pick or priority free agent that must develop his talents on the practice squad
1.98 to 1.50 -- Free Agent -- Player who will make a 60 or 80 man roster.


Grading System - 2010 Draft Tracker - SI.com

Using this chart and SI's grade for our draft picks which are as follows:

Charles Brown-- 2.96
Patrick robinson 2.89
Matt Tennant -- 2.84
James Graham -- 2.80
Al Woods -- 2.79
Sean Canfield -- 2.02
total-------------16.3/6 = 2.71

Divided by number of picks 6 equals a draft grade of 2.71

2.74 to 2.45 -- Future Starter -- A good athlete that must learn to be a football player or someone who is an "overachiever". Quality prospect with long term potential


Based on this formula we drafted for the future which is what a standing champion should have the luxury of doing.

Thoughts?

4 of 5 are First Year Contributors. The QB skews the average.

biloxi-indian 04-26-2010 03:20 PM

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It would be interesting to see the grades for;

J. Evans
C. Nicks
J. Bushrod
P. Thomas
M. Colston
L. Moore
T. Morestead
J. Casillas

strato 04-26-2010 03:26 PM

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But does 2+2 = 4 is what i want to know...lol

st thomas 04-26-2010 03:45 PM

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i not a big no#s guy but most experts giving us a B grade on the draft, still it does'nt really satisfy me because i was big on getting the LB in this years draft. it has to be the dolts that killed the mockingbird. it was coming to us,( j. hughes) before it all went about face and took cb whats your thoughts on no LB in this years draft. and what about harry colman is he the diamond in the rough?

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 222337)
i not a big no#s guy but most experts giving us a B grade on the draft, still it does'nt really satisfy me because i was big on getting the LB in this years draft. it has to be the dolts that killed the mockingbird. it was coming to us,( j. hughes) before it all went about face and took cb whats your thoughts on no LB in this years draft. and what about harry colman is he the diamond in the rough?

53 Arnoux, Stanley LB 6-0 232 23 2 Wake Forest
52 Casillas, Jonathan LB 6-1 227 22 2 Wisconsin
56 Dunbar, Jo-Lonn LB 6-0 226 25 3 Boston College
54 Evans, Troy LB 6-3 238 32 9 Cincinnati
50 Mitchell, Marvin LB 6-3 249 25 4 Tennessee
58 Shanle, Scott LB 6-2 245 30 8 Nebraska
51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 28 7 Miami (Fla.)
59 Waters, Anthony LB 6-3 238 25 4 Clemson


8 guys to fill 3 spots plus any of the UDFAs or other FAs we decide to bring in

underlined are my projected starters.....with 8 LBs already on the roster is there really a major need for LBs?

bigger need is DT IMO

92 Ayodele, Remi DT 6-2 318 27 4 Oklahoma
98 Ellis, Sedrick DT 6-1 307 24 3 Southern California
69 Hargrove, Anthony DT 6-3 272 26 6 Georgia Tech
66 Heyman, Earl DT 6-1 289 22 1 Louisville
95 Leisle, Rodney DT 6-3 315 29 4 UCLA
90 Pressley, DeMario DT 6-3 301 24 3 North Carolina State
94 Woods, Al DT 6-4 314 22 R Louisiana State

7 guys there with 1 guy projected as a starter......no clancy who was our starting NT last season.....so who's our starter at NT?

hargrove will likely be a DE this season that means we have 6 guys to fill 2 spots and none of them are likely starters except ellis

st thomas 04-26-2010 04:06 PM

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i see your point, could al woods be converted to nose, 300lbs plus a reach that could fill another hole by itself. when we gave up those terrible long runs last year would u agree it came in between the dt,and the de or the de and olb i think i'm putting it right, correct me if wrong

biloxi-indian 04-26-2010 04:12 PM

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"or other FAs we decide to bring in"

Exactly. As you previously stated...you don't have a big board or better yet (my words not yours) whom the FO has targeted at DT, LB, or FS!

From your recent posts, it seems you believe Loomis and Payton, based on their draft and selection of UDFA, should give the Lombardi Trophy away right now!

IMHO, I give Loomis and Payton the benefit of the doubt and will do so to until us fans reach that pinnacle as coach and GM.

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 222350)
i see your point, could al woods be converted to nose, 300lbs plus a reach that could fill another hole by itself. when we gave up those terrible long runs last year would u agree it came in between the dt,and the de or the de and olb i think i'm putting it right, correct me if wrong

they came from all over the place but yes.....some of them came in between DT and DE

i remember specifically the first play against arizona.....they ran right at mccray, who is known to be a liability against the run, and it went for a TD

we have an undersized defensive line and it hurts us a lot

smith can rush the passer and ellis and hargrove also have a knack for bringin down QBs......but who is our big run stopper?

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by biloxi-indian (Post 222353)
"or other FAs we decide to bring in"

Exactly. As you previously stated...you don't have a big board or better yet (my words not yours) whom the FO has targeted at DT, LB, or FS!

From your recent posts, it seems you believe Loomis and Payton, based on their draft and selection of UDFA, should give the Lombardi Trophy away right now!

IMHO, I give Loomis and Payton the benefit of the doubt and will do so to until us fans reach that pinnacle as coach and GM.

i have no idea what you are responding to as you didnt utilize the "quote" feature made available to us

should we give the lombardi trophy away? heck no......we earned it....LAST SEASON

its a new year brother.....everything starts over....nobody cares that we won it last year anymore except us

st thomas 04-26-2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 222355)
they came from all over the place but yes.....some of them came in between DT and DE

i remember specifically the first play against arizona.....they ran right at mccray, who is known to be a liability against the run, and it went for a TD

we have an undersized defensive line and it hurts us a lot

smith can rush the passer and ellis and hargrove also have a knack for bringin down QBs......but who is our big run stopper?

its still aways till july and we can get the help via free agency, would like to act quick though. saw adalious thomas got released could he be any help at the backer position?

strato 04-26-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 222355)
they came from all over the place but yes.....some of them came in between DT and DE

i remember specifically the first play against arizona.....they ran right at mccray, who is known to be a liability against the run, and it went for a TD

we have an undersized defensive line and it hurts us a lot

smith can rush the passer and ellis and hargrove also have a knack for bringin down QBs......but who is our big run stopper?

Sorry man but Cody went to the Ravens..We had our chance..i would have and i hate to say it..had Price ..over the corner..but what do i know...oh yeah..that we cant stop the run for the most part...:doh:

st thomas 04-26-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 222359)
Sorry man but Cody went to the Ravens..We had our chance..i would have and i hate to say it..had Price ..over the corner..but what do i know...oh yeah..that we cant stop the run for the most part...:doh:

all that said between strato, legend and for dam sure myself, what were they thinking in the draft may i ask. it only was'nt arizona it was carolina and the week before it was atlanta. we got burnt repeatedly they will target us again and again. we have to do something any suggestions?

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 222361)
all that said between strato, legend and for dam sure myself, what were they thinking in the draft may i ask. it only was'nt arizona it was carolina and the week before it was atlanta. we got burnt repeatedly they will target us again and again. we have to do something any suggestions?

operation draft mount cody fell by the wayside

im all drained from the draft...ekom udofia looks promising tho

biloxi-indian 04-26-2010 04:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 222357)
i have no idea what you are responding to as you didnt utilize the "quote" feature made available to us

should we give the lombardi trophy away? heck no......we earned it....LAST SEASON

its a new year brother.....everything starts over....nobody cares that we won it last year anymore except us

Canton, when you see " " it depicts a quote! Sorry, but I did put your entire quote in the message...it is regrettable you did not recognize the quote I included.

"its a new year brother.....everything starts over....nobody cares that we won it last year anymore except us"...FYI this is YOUR quote

As I stated in a earlier response to you...intuitively obvious to the most casual observer!

st thomas 04-26-2010 04:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 222364)
operation draft mount cody fell by the wayside

im all drained from the draft...ekom udofia looks promising tho

i'm sure now if we would have taken cody there would be not so many ? marks on the 2010 draft lol

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 04:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian (Post 222366)
Canton, when you see " " it depicts a quote! Sorry, but I did put your entire quote in the message...it is regrettable you did not recognize the quote I included.

"its a new year brother.....everything starts over....nobody cares that we won it last year anymore except us"...FYI this is YOUR quote

As I stated in a earlier response to you...intuitively obvious to the most casual observer!

just downplaying my opinion is fine

of course im not an NFL scout or evaluator......DUH nobody here is

if nobody recognizes the obvious then it might not be obvious

pointing it out might just be enough for some people to understand the real issues at hand

for instance....we didnt upgrade our run defense in this draft....sure we can trust the draft experts in our FO.....but thats irrelevant because we still didnt upgrade our run defense in this draft

biloxi-indian 04-26-2010 04:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 222372)
just downplaying my opinion is fine

of course im not an NFL scout or evaluator......DUH nobody here is

if nobody recognizes the obvious then it might not be obvious

pointing it out might just be enough for some people to understand the real issues at hand

for instance....we didnt upgrade our run defense in this draft....sure we can trust the draft experts in our FO.....but thats irrelevant because we still didnt upgrade our run defense in this draft

No problem, I discount it about 75% of the time...the other 25% is humours at best.

You make my point very clearly. All the best!

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 04:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian (Post 222375)
No problem, I discount it about 75% of the time...the other 25% is humours at best.

You make my point very clearly. All the best!

thanks for the good wishes.....same to you :bng:

falconhater 04-26-2010 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 222342)
53 Arnoux, Stanley LB 6-0 232 23 2 Wake Forest
52 Casillas, Jonathan LB 6-1 227 22 2 Wisconsin
56 Dunbar, Jo-Lonn LB 6-0 226 25 3 Boston College
54 Evans, Troy LB 6-3 238 32 9 Cincinnati
50 Mitchell, Marvin LB 6-3 249 25 4 Tennessee
58 Shanle, Scott LB 6-2 245 30 8 Nebraska
51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 28 7 Miami (Fla.)
59 Waters, Anthony LB 6-3 238 25 4 Clemson


8 guys to fill 3 spots plus any of the UDFAs or other FAs we decide to bring in

underlined are my projected starters.....with 8 LBs already on the roster is there really a major need for LBs?

bigger need is DT IMO

92 Ayodele, Remi DT 6-2 318 27 4 Oklahoma
98 Ellis, Sedrick DT 6-1 307 24 3 Southern California
69 Hargrove, Anthony DT 6-3 272 26 6 Georgia Tech
66 Heyman, Earl DT 6-1 289 22 1 Louisville
95 Leisle, Rodney DT 6-3 315 29 4 UCLA
90 Pressley, DeMario DT 6-3 301 24 3 North Carolina State
94 Woods, Al DT 6-4 314 22 R Louisiana State

7 guys there with 1 guy projected as a starter......no clancy who was our starting NT last season.....so who's our starter at NT?

hargrove will likely be a DE this season that means we have 6 guys to fill 2 spots and none of them are likely starters except ellis


First Harry Colman is HOT GARBAGE.. at best don't want him hes lazy and non productive

Canton I agree with you for the most part although Shanle needs to be upgraded

On the line however we differ we run a 4x3 That puts Ellis and Hargrove at Tackles with A. Brown on one side and Wil Smith on the other with the rest in some type of rotation. Although Hargrove is a better End Brown coming in almost ensures he will stay inside where he was productive last year.

Although not as good as it could be with Brees and Company putting up 30+ each week it will be adequate.

CantonLegend 04-26-2010 04:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 222384)
First Harry Colman is HOT GARBAGE.. at best don't want him hes lazy and non productive

Canton I agree with you for the most part although Shanle needs to be upgraded

On the line however we differ we run a 4x3 That puts Ellis and Hargrove at Tackles with A. Brown on one side and Wil Smith on the other with the rest in some type of rotation. Although Hargrove is a better End Brown coming in almost ensures he will stay inside where he was productive last year.

Although not as good as it could be with Brees and Company putting up 30+ each week it will be adequate.

believe it or not it was actually remy starting at NT for us last season after clancy went down

hargrove got a lot of attention for being productive without getting many snaps

he best serves us as a 3rd down pass rusher....didnt get much playing time other than that.....

however....if hargrove starts at DT then ellis is NT and that is not the best way to use him.....ellis works best when manned up against a guard....doesnt help us very much if hes getting the double teams because hes too small to occupy double teams for the entire play

i agree that alex brown should start at DE and i believe that shanle could be upgraded.....but as it stands now, i cant see anybody taking his starting spot

my main concern at LB is troy evans.....can he start and be as productive as fujita was last season?


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