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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I owuld like to have some better numbers BUT I will take a championship & low ranked "D" anyday!!...

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Old 05-23-2010, 11:36 AM   #31
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I owuld like to have some better numbers BUT I will take a championship & low ranked "D" anyday!!
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Old 05-23-2010, 06:06 PM   #32
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Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!!

If we didn't have an explosive offense, I'd be concerned. But what you need to consider is that Williams has designed a bend-don't break defense that is going to take a lot of chances to force turnovers. They can afford to do because they have someone like Brees leading the offense.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:06 PM   #33
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Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!!

Apparently that 25th is a closed formula that does not account for preferable statistics like.

Interceptions #3
Sacks #13


8 Defensive Touch Downs.. Probably 10 maybe higher, can not confirm. Seven of them were in the first 8 games (Sharper 6, Greer 2, Roby 2, Porter 1)
Defensive Touch downs in 4 consecutive games.

Wait.. i am sorry those two Spectacular numbers are not even listed in the Team Stats on the NFL.com! WTF???
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:18 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
Apparently that 25th is a closed formula that does not account for preferable statistics like.

Interceptions #3
Sacks #13


8 Defensive Touch Downs.. Probably 10 maybe higher, can not confirm. Seven of them were in the first 8 games (Sharper 6, Greer 2, Roby 2, Porter 1)
Defensive Touch downs in 4 consecutive games.

Wait.. i am sorry those two Spectacular numbers are not even listed in the Team Stats on the NFL.com! WTF???
how was our run defense last year?
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:52 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
how was our run defense last year?
Does last year even matter anymore? They won the Super Bowl! You are taking ONE category where they did not perform well and basically saying it is the end-all, be-all to this coming season just because YOU don't think they have done anything to improve it. Can we just wait until the season starts and see what they do on the field before we start critiquing their moves or non-moves that may or may not have improved the run defense?
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:24 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by D_it_up View Post
Does last year even matter anymore? They won the Super Bowl! You are taking ONE category where they did not perform well and basically saying it is the end-all, be-all to this coming season just because YOU don't think they have done anything to improve it. Can we just wait until the season starts and see what they do on the field before we start critiquing their moves or non-moves that may or may not have improved the run defense?
that would make for a boring forum if everybody was content with everything all the time

im pointing out our biggest weakness....providing very solid reasons for why we should've fixed it

and trying to prove why we should be worried about it this season

some teams we will be able to simply outscore.......others we will struggle against because of our weaknesses

sure.....i can stay quiet until the season starts about our weakness.....but if it comes back up.....what then? do i get bonus points for being right.....or do i just get criticized again because im always nay-saying

my point is that its still a weakness and adding a player with questionable work ethic and talent to a rotation that is already fairly weak is not the answer

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Old 05-24-2010, 10:47 PM   #37
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Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!!

Rankings are an approximation, they don't fully represent a defense's effectiveness. IDC if we're 1st or 32nd, there's always room for improvement.
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They will get better as long as this staff stays intact. I thought it was rather obvious that they had been playing soft up until this year for some reason. Somebody finally came in and put a foot up their butt and they started playing with intensity. I have always liked the phrase that said something like it's OK to make a mistake...just do it at full speed. In the past they were too afraid to make mistakes and somewhere between the Dome Patrol years to last year they just lost the intensity. I'm glad it's back.

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Old 05-25-2010, 12:48 AM   #39
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post

sure.....i can stay quiet until the season starts about our weakness.....but if it comes back up.....what then? do i get bonus points for being right.....or do i just get criticized again because im always nay-saying
What if it doesn't come up? Ever thought of that? You, me, nor anyone here can say with any certainty if they are or are not improved until they hit the field and show us something. It's like I said before in this thread. It's all speculation on whether or not the defense has improved. Rankings mean absolutely nothing. The thing that matters most is wins and losses. Regardless of their 25th ranking in defense last year, the Saints won the Super Bowl. Why did they win the Super Bowl? It was because the defense capitalized on opposing teams mistakes during the playoffs just as they had done during the regular season and the strong point of the team (the offense) clicked on all cylinders in all three games they played. The defense stepped up when it mattered. Sure, that can't be relied upon game in and game out, but who is to say they won't get similar turnover production this year? Don't get me wrong. I've said before that I agree that there are things that could be improved to stop the run more effectively, but health is the key for this team. But, since you feel like that stats are important (talking about their overall defensive ranking from last season), let me throw some stats out there for you to wrap your brain around:

Game 1 vs. Detroit: Detroit had 33 total rushing yards on 20 attempts. A 1.7 YPC average.

Game 2 vs. Philly: The Eagles had 79 yards on 22 attempts. A 3.6 YPC average

Game 3 vs. Buffalo: The Bills had 89 yards on 21 carries for a 4.2 YPC average

Game 4 vs. NYJ: The Jets had 132 yards rushing in the game. 24 of those were from Sanchez on 4 carries, because he was running for his life all game long. 20 yards came from Brad Smith on two carries. Their three runningbacks totaled 88 yards on 4.2 YPC. The first time the Saints allowed over 100 yards on the ground, but it took five Jets players to get them there.

Game 5 vs. NYG: Giants had 88 yards on 19 carries for a 4.4 YPC avg. That's a good average, but it's hard to get yards on the ground when you are having to pass because you playing catch up all game long.

Game 6 vs. Miami: The Dolphins had 137 yards on the ground for a 4.6 YPC average. This is where stats become skewed. 68 of those yards were on the long TD run by Rickey Williams that was to the outside....not up the middle. Take away that long gain, and the Dolphins "Wildcat" was held in check, because they only totaled 69 yards on 29 carries. That is a 2.4 YPC average.

Why am I only listing these games? It's simple. These are the games when Sedrick Ellis was in the line-up before he went down with a knee injury in the Miami game. Ellis went on to miss the next four games. In the next three, the Saints gave up 151 to Michael Turner, 149 to Deangelo Williams, and 131 to Steven Jackson. That's 431 yards with their best starting DT out of the line-up.

Also, let me remind you that even after Ellis' return to the line-up, there were only two really bad games that the Saints had against the run. That was the Dallas game where the Barber/Jones combination did a number on them, and then Cadillac Williams in the 2nd Tampa game. Other than that, the run defense wasn't horrible. Most of the defensive struggles the Saints had up to the Cowboys game was through the air with Porter and Greer both out of the line-up.

I will sum this up, and then I will digress on this entire discussion. The Saints problem was not necessarily their run defense. It was their depth. The defense became vulnerable when starters were out of the line-up. Say what you will about starters getting hurt all the time and it's to be expected and yadda, yadda, yadda, but here's the thing: the Saints did not have enough DEPTH to even compare to the abilities the starters had to defend. Hargrove was serviceable, but you and I have both agreed before that he is undersized at DT and was manhandled several times on run plays. His production came mostly against the pass. The Saints used three different linebackers to play in Fujita's spot when he went down (Evans, Dunbar, and Waters). We all know about the Jenkins project at corner and the players picked up off the street when Porter and Greer went down. This is where the Saints true problem came from, and not their inability to stop the run when they did a more than adequate job when the starters were healthy. It was depth...plain and simple.

The Saints, IMHO, have done a good job at trying to improve that depth with the drafting of Robinson and Woods, and the signing of Ingram just in case they are bitten by the injury bug yet again. However, I am not going to go out on a limb and say they ARE going to be better or that they have not improved at all. I'm going to let their play do the talking once the season starts. If it improves, then hell yes. If it doesn't, then I will be right there with you saying that steps should be taken to improve that area of the defense.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:36 AM   #40
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
how was our run defense last year?
Dirty Dirty.. You know I have a thread about our run defense.. lol

It was 21st in regular season and 6th in post season. Still better than 25th.

In answer to your question.

Now as good as it will be this year!
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