Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by strato

You know me SF magnet for controversy..but i can remember a lot of racial hatred for Brooks from some saints fans and it made me sick...

I dunno about race. I think the Saints Collective had a mist in their eyes from the smoke of a distant (Delhomme) fire...LMAO

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SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-07-2010, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever.

Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that.

I think you are reading too much into this. This thread isn't about weather he was a good QB or weather he should have started over Delhome or not. It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF.
Now I'm not comparing Rose and why he is out vs why I think Brooks is out, so don't go off and blast me on that. I'm just saying that because the guy is our second leading passer in many catagories it a) doesn't mean he deserves it and b) just because I don't think he is HOF worthy doesn't mean I don't appreciate his quality of play for us and/or I have a bias against him.
I think far too many players are in their respective sport's HOFs as it is. I just tend to think it should be more of an honor than that. Sure, you can't be in a HOF if you did not put up stats. But, to me, you can't be in there if you did not display the drive/desire/passion/fire/ or whatever you want to call it that makes a HOF caliber player be the best player they can be. In short I can't think of a current HOF player that did not strive as hard as they could on the field (and most of the time off the field as well) to win a game. There is no way you will convince me that Brooks had that quality as an NFL player from his demeanor and actions. To me, the fact that he is our second leading passer simply means that we had a bunce of poor passing QBs in our history.

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF.

Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know.

Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined.

VillainAgain · 06-07-2010, 05:55 PM

all this Jake Dellhomme mess should stop Brooks was better then Jake even when he was in carolina get the super bowl appearance out of the argument its as stupid as saying we are a better without Jamal Brown because we won the super bowl without him playing. Did Jake single handedly get them there or were the panthers just good that year?? The latter is correct, who was under center before Jeff Blake and Aaron Brooks??? that didnt turn out well did it??? He did put together a few solid year but hes always been a pick machine. its really black and white you make the hall off a great career and prior to Drew Brees, Brooks had the greatest a saints qb ever had the guy played here 5 years and is 3k behind archie who played 11, had he played here 11 years hed molest Manning 's total

SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-07-2010, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know.

Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING

Originally Posted by saintfan

Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined.

No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too.
You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything.
Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints?

strato · 06-07-2010, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING

No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too.
You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything.
Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints?

Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING

No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too.
You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything.
Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints?

I'm not ignoring anything, and I'm not picking on you, but you brought up the 'home run king', and then what...you said it didn't relate...so why bring it up? What's the point if it doesn't relate? I mean, you did have a reason right? Explain it or leave it out of the discussion.

I never said Brooks was the only decent player on the squad. If that's what YOU got out of it there's not much I can do about that, but it certainly isn't what I said.

We had a crappy o-line. You Disagree?
We had a crappy defense. You Disagree?
We had, for the most part, average WR's. You Disagree?
We had questionable coaching. You Disagree?

I don't forget the bonehead plays, but I can point you to bonehead plays made by anyone, HOF or otherwise. Exhibit "A" is the interception that lost the Superbowl last year... I'm not discounting them, but the Brooks haters are focused on them all the while ignoring that at times there were reasons. I used to bring up dropped passes and nobody wanted to hear it. Go look up that stat for Brooks' tenure in N.O.

I bring up Delhomme because I was here and was paying attention. Anybody that looks me in the face and tells me half the Brooks hate wasn't because we had a local boy at #2 isn't telling me the truth.

I'll never know if Brooks gave 100%. Neither will you. What makes you think he didn't? His demeanor? How many times might he have railed on any give player on the O-Line for missing a block? How many times might he have railed on a given 2nd or 3rd tier WR for running the wrong route or dropping a pass that hit him in the hands? There is no "Yes" or "No" to your question until you can get into someone's mind, which you can't do, which is more or less my point. You CANNOT know how he felt, you can only judge him because he didn't react the way you think he should. Who died and made you the authority on sports etiquette? You are entitled to your opinion though, and I am entitled to mine. Beyond opinion we have his numbers and his accomplishments, so all things being equal...

He has the numbers. He won our first playoff game. Some people don't like his 'style'. That shouldn't keep him out of the hall because his performance on the field warranted it. His place in our record books warrants it.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-07-2010, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol

It was, up to that point, my happiest time ever as a Saints fan as well. And Brooks was defenitely a part of it. But lots of guys were. We had a 1,000 yard rusher that year. Our defense was ranked in the top 10 in both points and yards. Don't tell me that everyone sucked and Brooks single handedly lead us to that win.

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

It was, up to that point, my happiest time ever as a Saints fan as well. And Brooks was defenitely a part of it. But lots of guys were. We had a 1,000 yard rusher that year. Our defense was ranked in the top 10 in both points and yards. Don't tell me that everyone sucked and Brooks single handedly lead us to that win.

Who's telling you that?

Saint_LB · 06-07-2010, 06:54 PM

For the record, the MLB HR king is not yet eligible for the HOF.

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06-07-2010, 05:20 PM	#122
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever. Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that. I think you are reading too much into this. This thread isn't about weather he was a good QB or weather he should have started over Delhome or not. It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF. Now I'm not comparing Rose and why he is out vs why I think Brooks is out, so don't go off and blast me on that. I'm just saying that because the guy is our second leading passer in many catagories it a) doesn't mean he deserves it and b) just because I don't think he is HOF worthy doesn't mean I don't appreciate his quality of play for us and/or I have a bias against him. I think far too many players are in their respective sport's HOFs as it is. I just tend to think it should be more of an honor than that. Sure, you can't be in a HOF if you did not put up stats. But, to me, you can't be in there if you did not display the drive/desire/passion/fire/ or whatever you want to call it that makes a HOF caliber player be the best player they can be. In short I can't think of a current HOF player that did not strive as hard as they could on the field (and most of the time off the field as well) to win a game. There is no way you will convince me that Brooks had that quality as an NFL player from his demeanor and actions. To me, the fact that he is our second leading passer simply means that we had a bunce of poor passing QBs in our history.
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06-07-2010, 05:52 PM	#123
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF. Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know. Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined.
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06-07-2010, 05:55 PM	#124
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? all this Jake Dellhomme mess should stop Brooks was better then Jake even when he was in carolina get the super bowl appearance out of the argument its as stupid as saying we are a better without Jamal Brown because we won the super bowl without him playing. Did Jake single handedly get them there or were the panthers just good that year?? The latter is correct, who was under center before Jeff Blake and Aaron Brooks??? that didnt turn out well did it??? He did put together a few solid year but hes always been a pick machine. its really black and white you make the hall off a great career and prior to Drew Brees, Brooks had the greatest a saints qb ever had the guy played here 5 years and is 3k behind archie who played 11, had he played here 11 years hed molest Manning 's total
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06-07-2010, 06:20 PM	#125
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know. Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING Originally Posted by saintfan Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined. No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too. You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything. Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints?
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06-07-2010, 06:29 PM	#126
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too. You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything. Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints? Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol

06-07-2010, 06:42 PM	#127
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too. You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything. Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints? I'm not ignoring anything, and I'm not picking on you, but you brought up the 'home run king', and then what...you said it didn't relate...so why bring it up? What's the point if it doesn't relate? I mean, you did have a reason right? Explain it or leave it out of the discussion. I never said Brooks was the only decent player on the squad. If that's what YOU got out of it there's not much I can do about that, but it certainly isn't what I said. We had a crappy o-line. You Disagree? We had a crappy defense. You Disagree? We had, for the most part, average WR's. You Disagree? We had questionable coaching. You Disagree? I don't forget the bonehead plays, but I can point you to bonehead plays made by anyone, HOF or otherwise. Exhibit "A" is the interception that lost the Superbowl last year... I'm not discounting them, but the Brooks haters are focused on them all the while ignoring that at times there were reasons. I used to bring up dropped passes and nobody wanted to hear it. Go look up that stat for Brooks' tenure in N.O. I bring up Delhomme because I was here and was paying attention. Anybody that looks me in the face and tells me half the Brooks hate wasn't because we had a local boy at #2 isn't telling me the truth. I'll never know if Brooks gave 100%. Neither will you. What makes you think he didn't? His demeanor? How many times might he have railed on any give player on the O-Line for missing a block? How many times might he have railed on a given 2nd or 3rd tier WR for running the wrong route or dropping a pass that hit him in the hands? There is no "Yes" or "No" to your question until you can get into someone's mind, which you can't do, which is more or less my point. You CANNOT know how he felt, you can only judge him because he didn't react the way you think he should. Who died and made you the authority on sports etiquette? You are entitled to your opinion though, and I am entitled to mine. Beyond opinion we have his numbers and his accomplishments, so all things being equal... He has the numbers. He won our first playoff game. Some people don't like his 'style'. That shouldn't keep him out of the hall because his performance on the field warranted it. His place in our record books warrants it.
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06-07-2010, 06:44 PM	#128
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by strato Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol It was, up to that point, my happiest time ever as a Saints fan as well. And Brooks was defenitely a part of it. But lots of guys were. We had a 1,000 yard rusher that year. Our defense was ranked in the top 10 in both points and yards. Don't tell me that everyone sucked and Brooks single handedly lead us to that win.
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06-07-2010, 06:45 PM	#129
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL It was, up to that point, my happiest time ever as a Saints fan as well. And Brooks was defenitely a part of it. But lots of guys were. We had a 1,000 yard rusher that year. Our defense was ranked in the top 10 in both points and yards. Don't tell me that everyone sucked and Brooks single handedly lead us to that win. Who's telling you that?

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