Trouble Brewing in Big Easy.

lumm0x · 10-02-2003, 11:10 AM

a coach in Herman Edwards who oozes confidence and motivation.

Yeah, he deals with adversity great. Have you seen his press conferences lately? He\'s oozing something alright. The guy is having public fights with players and coordinators, his players are having shouting matches with him, and he\'s airing dirty laundry to the media.

He pulled a team Parcells built out of the fire once, but if you look at that team since Parcells left it\'s been a comedy of errors from a team management standpoint. I seriously doubt Edwards keeps his job if the Jets fail to see the post season.

saintfan · 10-02-2003, 12:54 PM

The statement the doggie made regarding Herman Edwards is typical of most of the junk that people post in here. Other teams have isues too, but the people that post in here cut \'em slack. Donovan McNabb had a bad game because of \"this\" or because of \"that\" they say, but never do they say he sucks and needs to be benched. In fact the TV announcer for the Eagles last game said he wanted to see Donovan smile more! All I could do was think about Brooks and all the so called \"know it alls\" in here that think they know more about what they\'re talkin about then the people getting paid to do this stuff FOR REAL, not sit there and hide behind a monitor pretending to know what the hell is going on. In here all people want to do it cut people, bench people, and fire people where the Saints are concerned, and they ALL know whats BEST for the team...or that\'s what they\'d have you believe.

As I have said numerous times before, it\'s a damn good thing some of these people aren\'t in charge.

canucksaint · 10-02-2003, 01:05 PM

He pulled a team Parcells built out of the fire once, but if you look at that team since Parcells left it\'s been a comedy of errors from a team management standpoint. I seriously doubt Edwards keeps his job if the Jets fail to see the post season.

Replace the name Parcells with Ditka, and Edwards with Haz...
I hate bringing Ditka into it...but...
Time to dump Haz (or at least one of the asst\'s) and see if we can right this ship.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-02-2003, 01:17 PM

I said I wouldn\'t mind see Bouman play, because I didn\'t think it could hurt anything. I now want to take that back. I am anxious as anyone for this offesne to get back to it\'s scoring ways, which is why I was open to putting Bouman in. Really, it didn\'t make any difference to me if Aaron or Bouman was in there. But, McCarthy is RIGHT !! Aaron needs to play now, MORE than ever. It is part of the maturity process for a NFL quarterback!!

Brooks had 3 good games and 1 bad one. It would be FOOLISH to pull Brooks !! What if Bouman come in and had 2 good games and 1 bad one. Do you just keep playing musical chairs at the QB position? Saintsfan is RIGHT !! McNabb had 2 bad games and you don\'t see his coach or the fans (at least the smart ones) calling for him to be benched. We just have a bunch of HYPOCRITICAL fans here and the main ones are WhoDat and 08.

lumm0x · 10-02-2003, 01:24 PM

Canuck, I really wouldn\'t want to give any credit at all for Ditka building our team. That team wasn\'t poised to be in the playoffs the year Haslett and Mueller took over. It was the off-season transactions and renewed sense of hope that got us there. Although I can agree that Edwards and Haslett can be synonymous in this sense. Both have lost/gotten rid of players for different reasons only to see success dwindling away. Both have had to work with a currently inept front office staff and have each played a part in the problems there as well.

I just don\'t think Parcells deserves to be dishonored by bearing mention in the same sentence as Ditka.

canucksaint · 10-02-2003, 01:28 PM

Billy, Which side of the fence are you on? First you defended Brooks, then you said McCarthy was an idiot (more or less). Then you said that you would like to see Bouman play. Now you are saying keep in Brooks because the great and wise McCarthy says so. Come on, look where that advise is coming from. Do you really still have faith in him? (McCarthy\'s judgement, not Brooks arm)

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-02-2003, 01:31 PM

LummOx --

Question for you. What are your thoughts on the QB position?? Is Aaron the problem on offense? Should we put Bouman in to see if he provides a spark? Help !! I\'m so confused !!

I\'m asking because you are one of the FEW members that isn\'t biased and I respect your opinion. Hey, don\'t get the wrong idea or anything chump

canucksaint · 10-02-2003, 01:35 PM

I don\'t like giving Ditka too much credit either, but he started building the puzzle. Mueller then came in and added way more pieces. I don\'t see what Haz has done.
I didn\'t mean to dishonour Parcells. I guess it would have been better to (although less accurate) to compare Mueller to Parcells.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-02-2003, 01:35 PM

Billy, Which side of the fence are you on? First you defended Brooks, then you said McCarthy was an idiot (more or less). Then you said that you would like to see Bouman play. Now you are saying keep in Brooks because the great and wise McCarthy says so. Come on, look where that advise is coming from. Do you really still have faith in him? (McCarthy\'s judgement, not Brooks arm)

To be perfectly honest. I am just fu**ing pissed off and I am being emotional and not thinking with my head !! I think McCarthy is more at fault than any player on offense. I think Brooks has done fine, except for the Colts game and I think Brooks has done nothing to lose is starting job and ALL QB\'s have bad games and you don\'t just pull them at the drop of a hat.

When a team is losing it\'s easy to get caught up in wanting to change this player and that player, but sometimes you just got to stay the course.

Hell I don\'t have the answers !! I wish I did !!

[Edited on 2/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

canucksaint · 10-02-2003, 01:42 PM

ok, that\'s cool. Thanks for being truthful.
I agree that Brooks has only had one bad game, however all reports are also saying he doesn\'t have the leadership quality. I loved the boy (not in that way) when he took over for Blake. But what happened to that passion? If we make him ride pine for a game or two, will that bring back the spark, both to the team, and to him? If there is a chance in that. Then I say pull him. But if the team still really stands behind him, then let him still lead. The last thing we need is to have musical QB\'s (al la Bungles).

10-02-2003, 11:10 AM	#21
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. a coach in Herman Edwards who oozes confidence and motivation. Yeah, he deals with adversity great. Have you seen his press conferences lately? He\'s oozing something alright. The guy is having public fights with players and coordinators, his players are having shouting matches with him, and he\'s airing dirty laundry to the media. He pulled a team Parcells built out of the fire once, but if you look at that team since Parcells left it\'s been a comedy of errors from a team management standpoint. I seriously doubt Edwards keeps his job if the Jets fail to see the post season.

10-02-2003, 12:54 PM	#22
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. The statement the doggie made regarding Herman Edwards is typical of most of the junk that people post in here. Other teams have isues too, but the people that post in here cut \'em slack. Donovan McNabb had a bad game because of \"this\" or because of \"that\" they say, but never do they say he sucks and needs to be benched. In fact the TV announcer for the Eagles last game said he wanted to see Donovan smile more! All I could do was think about Brooks and all the so called \"know it alls\" in here that think they know more about what they\'re talkin about then the people getting paid to do this stuff FOR REAL, not sit there and hide behind a monitor pretending to know what the hell is going on. In here all people want to do it cut people, bench people, and fire people where the Saints are concerned, and they ALL know whats BEST for the team...or that\'s what they\'d have you believe. As I have said numerous times before, it\'s a damn good thing some of these people aren\'t in charge.
	C'mon Man...

10-02-2003, 01:05 PM	#23
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. He pulled a team Parcells built out of the fire once, but if you look at that team since Parcells left it\'s been a comedy of errors from a team management standpoint. I seriously doubt Edwards keeps his job if the Jets fail to see the post season. Replace the name Parcells with Ditka, and Edwards with Haz... I hate bringing Ditka into it...but... Time to dump Haz (or at least one of the asst\'s) and see if we can right this ship.

10-02-2003, 01:17 PM	#24
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. I said I wouldn\'t mind see Bouman play, because I didn\'t think it could hurt anything. I now want to take that back. I am anxious as anyone for this offesne to get back to it\'s scoring ways, which is why I was open to putting Bouman in. Really, it didn\'t make any difference to me if Aaron or Bouman was in there. But, McCarthy is RIGHT !! Aaron needs to play now, MORE than ever. It is part of the maturity process for a NFL quarterback!! Brooks had 3 good games and 1 bad one. It would be FOOLISH to pull Brooks !! What if Bouman come in and had 2 good games and 1 bad one. Do you just keep playing musical chairs at the QB position? Saintsfan is RIGHT !! McNabb had 2 bad games and you don\'t see his coach or the fans (at least the smart ones) calling for him to be benched. We just have a bunch of HYPOCRITICAL fans here and the main ones are WhoDat and 08.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

10-02-2003, 01:24 PM	#25
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. Canuck, I really wouldn\'t want to give any credit at all for Ditka building our team. That team wasn\'t poised to be in the playoffs the year Haslett and Mueller took over. It was the off-season transactions and renewed sense of hope that got us there. Although I can agree that Edwards and Haslett can be synonymous in this sense. Both have lost/gotten rid of players for different reasons only to see success dwindling away. Both have had to work with a currently inept front office staff and have each played a part in the problems there as well. I just don\'t think Parcells deserves to be dishonored by bearing mention in the same sentence as Ditka.

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10-02-2003, 01:28 PM	#26
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. Billy, Which side of the fence are you on? First you defended Brooks, then you said McCarthy was an idiot (more or less). Then you said that you would like to see Bouman play. Now you are saying keep in Brooks because the great and wise McCarthy says so. Come on, look where that advise is coming from. Do you really still have faith in him? (McCarthy\'s judgement, not Brooks arm)

10-02-2003, 01:31 PM	#27
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. LummOx -- Question for you. What are your thoughts on the QB position?? Is Aaron the problem on offense? Should we put Bouman in to see if he provides a spark? Help !! I\'m so confused !! I\'m asking because you are one of the FEW members that isn\'t biased and I respect your opinion. Hey, don\'t get the wrong idea or anything chump
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10-02-2003, 01:35 PM	#28
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. I don\'t like giving Ditka too much credit either, but he started building the puzzle. Mueller then came in and added way more pieces. I don\'t see what Haz has done. I didn\'t mean to dishonour Parcells. I guess it would have been better to (although less accurate) to compare Mueller to Parcells.

10-02-2003, 01:42 PM	#30
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. ok, that\'s cool. Thanks for being truthful. I agree that Brooks has only had one bad game, however all reports are also saying he doesn\'t have the leadership quality. I loved the boy (not in that way) when he took over for Blake. But what happened to that passion? If we make him ride pine for a game or two, will that bring back the spark, both to the team, and to him? If there is a chance in that. Then I say pull him. But if the team still really stands behind him, then let him still lead. The last thing we need is to have musical QB\'s (al la Bungles).