Trouble Brewing in Big Easy.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-01-2003, 02:09 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=1627894

New Orleans (1-3): To be upfront about things, it is difficult for us to criticize coach Jim Haslett, because he's a good guy and a friend. But the Saints underachieved in each of the last two seasons, collapsing in December both years, and there seems to be an insidious undercurrent to the 2003 assemblage as well. There is no denying that the defense, which has now lost six projected starters and two key backups to injuries, is ravaged. But until last Sunday night, the defense had actually held up remarkably well, and it was the New Orleans offense that had struggled. Haslett defended Aaron Brooks this week, but there is something missing in the Saints quarterback. Teammates say it is a lack of accountability and a smugness that permits him to somehow overlook his gaffes. An embattled Haslett grew testy on Monday during his post-mortems of Sunday night's game, and he's got to be feeling the heat in The Big Uneasy. Some players contend that Haslett once again ran them too much in camp. Of course, some of them are the same players who lauded him in camp for not running as much as in past years.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-01-2003, 02:30 PM

Not hardly!! I just believe in trying to be fair. If I find an article on Brooks screwing up or being a distraction, I will post it. I\'m a SAINTS FAN first and while some might think I will stand up for Brooks no matter what -- YOU ARE WRONG!! Don\'t get me wrong, I\'m still in favor of Brooks, but at this point I wouldn\'t mind seeing Bouman play, just to see if anything would change. I don\'t see much risk of doing that right now.

Damn, I\'m tired of editing you two. Clean it up!

[Edited on 1/10/2003 by JOESAM2002]

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-01-2003, 02:36 PM

My word, I don\'t believe it. You and I actually agree on the fact that Bouman should get some time. Now, had you said that when I said it TWO WEEKS AGO, maybe we wouldn\'t hate each others guts at this point.

BlackandBlue · 10-02-2003, 07:31 AM

Now, had you said that when I said it TWO WEEKS AGO, maybe we wouldn\'t hate each others guts at this point.

BigB · 10-02-2003, 08:45 AM

Remeber Brooks when he took over th Saints\' offense after Blake went down. He was scrambing all over the field MAKING plays happen. Now I know he wants to be more of a pocket passer, but he seems to be waiting for someone else to make the plays develop. Brooks needs to be the leader of this offensive team...both on the field and in the lockerroom. I don\'t see that leadership quality in him. I like Brooks...he has all the tools to be a great quarterback, but something does seem to be lacking and it is hard to put your finger on exactly what it is.
Oh yeah...and Donte Stallworth dropping all these passes doesn\'t seem to be helping much either. Of all the Saints offensive players, I was looking for him to have a bust out year. So far, it is just a bust year. :casstet:

saintfan · 10-02-2003, 09:03 AM

Been in College Station for the last three days for those of you that thik I went AWOL...

Now, I didn\'t get to see the game but I was able to listen to some of it on the radio...and it didn\'t sound like the team had a very good game in either phase. I fully expected to see this site full of comments readying Aaron Brooks for an ousting, but it won\'t happen, and furthermore it shouldn\'t. I recognize Brooks played poorly...probably his worst game as a Saint...but this team has issues that go WAY beyond Aaron Brooks. Changing the QB might make Whodat and Saintz08 happy, but it\'d be a knee-jerk response and an obvious desperate attempt at a quick fix. Of all the terrible play so far this season, Sunday night was the only game in which Brooks played poorly. I\'m not sure I understand how anyone who\'d being honest could think that another QB could have better results with al the problems on this team.

I\'ve been a defender of Haz, but if I were in charge I\'d force some new co-ordinators on him, whether he liked it or not.

BigB · 10-02-2003, 09:13 AM

I agree with Sainfan that some new co-ordinators are in order. Especially defensively. We do not have the talent level on the defense necessary to run the blitzing in your face style that Venturi has a penchant for.
Offensively, I think we are a little too predictable.
I am not a Brooks hater, I just feel that he needs to show a little more leadership on the field and go back to the style of play he had when he first took over for the injured Blake. Making plays happen, not waiting for them to develop.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-02-2003, 09:48 AM

saintsfan --

There are those who have been just waiting on Aaron to have one bad game, so they can call for his head !! I have went on record and said I wouldn\'t mind Bouman getting a chance just to see if it would spark this offense. I don\'t know if it would or not, but at this point, I don\'t see what it would hurt.

I try to be fair about the QB situation, but some memebers(you know who you are) are trying to pin EVERYTHING on Brooks !! At the sametime I\'m not opposed to Aaron playing, because he isn\'t the problem.

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-02-2003, 09:57 AM

I\'m going on record as saying that Brooks is NOT the sole problem of this team. Haz/Venturi/McCarthy and Brooks all play a part in the downfall of this team. Brooks has let the fans down with his attitude and lack of respect for the game. So what you will, but a guy that smiles constantly during bad games shows no respect.

FWtex · 10-02-2003, 10:11 AM

I want a move made NOW. Fire HAZ or McCarthy ASAP. Nothing brings a team closer than having to go through adversity. Playing the rest of the season short a coach may have the players step up and make a statement about themselves. It may give them something to build on as teammates next year.

I do know that staying with the status Quo is not going to do anything but tear this team apart even more. This will cause players to have anomosity among each other and make it that much harder to get team chemistry back next year.

10-01-2003, 02:09 PM	#1
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=1627894 New Orleans (1-3): To be upfront about things, it is difficult for us to criticize coach Jim Haslett, because he's a good guy and a friend. But the Saints underachieved in each of the last two seasons, collapsing in December both years, and there seems to be an insidious undercurrent to the 2003 assemblage as well. There is no denying that the defense, which has now lost six projected starters and two key backups to injuries, is ravaged. But until last Sunday night, the defense had actually held up remarkably well, and it was the New Orleans offense that had struggled. Haslett defended Aaron Brooks this week, but there is something missing in the Saints quarterback. Teammates say it is a lack of accountability and a smugness that permits him to somehow overlook his gaffes. An embattled Haslett grew testy on Monday during his post-mortems of Sunday night's game, and he's got to be feeling the heat in The Big Uneasy. Some players contend that Haslett once again ran them too much in camp. Of course, some of them are the same players who lauded him in camp for not running as much as in past years.
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10-01-2003, 02:30 PM	#2
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. Not hardly!! I just believe in trying to be fair. If I find an article on Brooks screwing up or being a distraction, I will post it. I\'m a SAINTS FAN first and while some might think I will stand up for Brooks no matter what -- YOU ARE WRONG!! Don\'t get me wrong, I\'m still in favor of Brooks, but at this point I wouldn\'t mind seeing Bouman play, just to see if anything would change. I don\'t see much risk of doing that right now. Damn, I\'m tired of editing you two. Clean it up! [Edited on 1/10/2003 by JOESAM2002]
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10-01-2003, 02:36 PM	#3
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. My word, I don\'t believe it. You and I actually agree on the fact that Bouman should get some time. Now, had you said that when I said it TWO WEEKS AGO, maybe we wouldn\'t hate each others guts at this point.

10-02-2003, 07:31 AM	#4
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. Now, had you said that when I said it TWO WEEKS AGO, maybe we wouldn\'t hate each others guts at this point.

10-02-2003, 08:45 AM	#5
BigB Rookie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Lake Charles Posts: 16	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. Remeber Brooks when he took over th Saints\' offense after Blake went down. He was scrambing all over the field MAKING plays happen. Now I know he wants to be more of a pocket passer, but he seems to be waiting for someone else to make the plays develop. Brooks needs to be the leader of this offensive team...both on the field and in the lockerroom. I don\'t see that leadership quality in him. I like Brooks...he has all the tools to be a great quarterback, but something does seem to be lacking and it is hard to put your finger on exactly what it is. Oh yeah...and Donte Stallworth dropping all these passes doesn\'t seem to be helping much either. Of all the Saints offensive players, I was looking for him to have a bust out year. So far, it is just a bust year. :casstet:
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10-02-2003, 09:03 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. Been in College Station for the last three days for those of you that thik I went AWOL... Now, I didn\'t get to see the game but I was able to listen to some of it on the radio...and it didn\'t sound like the team had a very good game in either phase. I fully expected to see this site full of comments readying Aaron Brooks for an ousting, but it won\'t happen, and furthermore it shouldn\'t. I recognize Brooks played poorly...probably his worst game as a Saint...but this team has issues that go WAY beyond Aaron Brooks. Changing the QB might make Whodat and Saintz08 happy, but it\'d be a knee-jerk response and an obvious desperate attempt at a quick fix. Of all the terrible play so far this season, Sunday night was the only game in which Brooks played poorly. I\'m not sure I understand how anyone who\'d being honest could think that another QB could have better results with al the problems on this team. I\'ve been a defender of Haz, but if I were in charge I\'d force some new co-ordinators on him, whether he liked it or not.
	C'mon Man...

10-02-2003, 09:13 AM	#7
BigB Rookie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Lake Charles Posts: 16	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. I agree with Sainfan that some new co-ordinators are in order. Especially defensively. We do not have the talent level on the defense necessary to run the blitzing in your face style that Venturi has a penchant for. Offensively, I think we are a little too predictable. I am not a Brooks hater, I just feel that he needs to show a little more leadership on the field and go back to the style of play he had when he first took over for the injured Blake. Making plays happen, not waiting for them to develop.

10-02-2003, 09:48 AM	#8
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. saintsfan -- There are those who have been just waiting on Aaron to have one bad game, so they can call for his head !! I have went on record and said I wouldn\'t mind Bouman getting a chance just to see if it would spark this offense. I don\'t know if it would or not, but at this point, I don\'t see what it would hurt. I try to be fair about the QB situation, but some memebers(you know who you are) are trying to pin EVERYTHING on Brooks !! At the sametime I\'m not opposed to Aaron playing, because he isn\'t the problem.
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10-02-2003, 09:57 AM	#9
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. I\'m going on record as saying that Brooks is NOT the sole problem of this team. Haz/Venturi/McCarthy and Brooks all play a part in the downfall of this team. Brooks has let the fans down with his attitude and lack of respect for the game. So what you will, but a guy that smiles constantly during bad games shows no respect.

10-02-2003, 10:11 AM	#10
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	Trouble Brewing in Big Easy. I want a move made NOW. Fire HAZ or McCarthy ASAP. Nothing brings a team closer than having to go through adversity. Playing the rest of the season short a coach may have the players step up and make a statement about themselves. It may give them something to build on as teammates next year. I do know that staying with the status Quo is not going to do anything but tear this team apart even more. This will cause players to have anomosity among each other and make it that much harder to get team chemistry back next year.
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370