Saints could reduce PT's contract offer

SaintPauly · 06-11-2010, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by strato

Maybe this is why P.T no phone home

Bush was paid an average of $20,739 per rushing yard and $21,438 per receiving yard the past two seasons. In the same span, Thomas earned an average of $513 per rushing yard and $1,275 per receiving yard

I have to point out, that "Saints fans" these days, seem to be ok with Bush having the armored car roll up to his house, to deliver the money, while at the same time spurning PT, for wanting what he's earned..... Me thinks some people have stars in their eyes... Only problem is, other than subway commercials, and dating a Kardashian, Bush ain't no star...

HintOfLogic · 06-11-2010, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

1st let me say I'm a big PT fan.

2nd I would like to be his agent. I would tell PT we wont take anythin under the average for a starting RB.

PT came to this team as an undrafted RB. He picked this team to come to with its 2 1st round RBs and recently drafted RB that the team moved up to draft. He beat out the drafted RB and earned a spot on this team. For fightin his way on this team he earned a low signing bonus and minimum contract.

PT has played his way through this contract and earned starting RB money. Ever notice they show the starting lineup before the game and it aint the people that run out for the 1st play.

Running Back rankings in NFL for 07,08,&09
Bush #36,42 & 55
PT #70, 40 & 24

I looked up running back averages for the past 3 years in 09 PT had the 6th best average in RBs with over 100 attempts.
In 08 Pt had the 5th best average( tied with A Peterson and S Slaton) in over 100 attempts.
In 07 PT had the 14th best average in RBs with over 50 attempts. He only had 52 attempts in his rookie year 4th on the depth chart.

Career Attempts Avg TDs Fum Total Yards
Bush 488 4.0 17 13 1940
PT23 328 5.1 16 2 1670

I know people dont like stats. They like to formulate total time other defense game plans superstar-speed+draft position/our overall scouting report. I know PT is lucky to be in this offense which enables him to succeed. He is the leading rusher in the #1 offense in the league the past 2 years. He also lead the league in having the least amount of plays with negative yards. Reggie is nowhere near that. Same offense 1 RB gains 1.1 more yards per rushing attempt over 3 years. I think PT should at least earn 1/2 of what the STARTER earns.

^^ good stuff. I'm all about the Avg. yards per carry and the least plays of negative yards. Those stats don't deceive. Total numbers are subject to how much a player was used or overused vs. their efficiency per play.

HintOfLogic · 06-11-2010, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

I have to point out, that "Saints fans" these days, seem to be ok with Bush having the armored car roll up to his house, to deliver the money, while at the same time spurning PT, for wanting what he's earned..... Me thinks some people have stars in their eyes... Only problem is, other than subway commercials, and dating a Kardashian, Bush ain't no star...

.... double standards, hypocrisy, ____I've edited myself and will stop there

ok, one more.... convenient, simple-minded favoritism.

Saint_LB · 06-11-2010, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

"Saints fans" these days, seem to be ok with Bush having the armored car roll up to his house, to deliver the money, ...

I suppose he shoulda said, "You know, I could sign a mega-million dollar contract, but I'm gonna go out there and prove it before I actually take the money...like all the other draftees in history have done."

I've seen RB do things that PT couldn't do in his dreams.

SapperSaint · 06-11-2010, 07:16 AM

I don't see where 3-4 million a year is out of line.

Is PT the greatest.....no, he's not.

Has PT done a great job for this team....IMO, YES.

His agent is helping to prolong this; PT fire him and get a real agent.

dasaints26 · 06-11-2010, 09:19 PM

I've seen PT do things Reggie cant do. Run the play called follow his blockers and gain 4-5 positive yards.

I would define our starting RB as the RB that carries the ball more often. The last 2 years it was PT. I dont think our starting RB should get paid 1/5 of his backup. I know why PT ran the ball more we were saving Reggie for punt returns.

lynwood · 06-11-2010, 09:51 PM

Reggie signed for Draft pick money. PT was undrafted and got what he was offered. . We are carrying out the contract with RB and trying to put one together for PT. PT is not going to get lone start star Running Back Money. That is just the way it is for now. If I was him I'd sign for one year and make it a make or break season.

Cruize · 06-12-2010, 06:48 AM

PT doesn't rate Bush money. Bush doesn't rate Bush money. Both contributed equally to the Saints winning a Super Bowl. In an either or situation, I would take Thomas. My guess is he'll either play under the tender or not play at all.

CheramieIII · 06-12-2010, 07:41 AM

Good for the organization. As I said before he needs to get at least one more year under his belt IMO before we pay him the big bucks. I'm not saying he's not good and made contributions and will be a Saint for a longtime. I'm only saying it's not money time yet!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-12-2010, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Good for the organization. As I said before he needs to get at least one more year under his belt IMO before we pay him the big bucks. I'm not saying he's not good and made contributions and will be a Saint for a longtime. I'm only saying it's not money time yet!

Disagree. If the Saints plan to keep him, better to sign him now. There's nothing else left for PT23 to prove to the Saints. If PT23 doesn't get the long term security from the team this year, most likely he would leave out of spite. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it is what it is.

The only thing that needs to happen is to determine the value. That's the real issue. There are multiple sticking points:

1) PT23 is good, but he isn't a superstar.

2) Bush is a superstar, but look at the numbers.

PT23's team need to show the Saints how to build the RB contract for the new millennium. It's going to need extended years, be backloaded, and have enough guaranteed money to make it attractive.

The Saints offer of $11 million for 4 years is closer to the truth than Steven Jackson money (which is a pipe dream). Push it one more year, get the annual near $3.5 million, and that's the territory of proper value.

5 years, $16.5 million ought to do it with the Saints loading the extra $5 million on the last 3 years of the contract.

SFIAH

06-11-2010, 12:49 AM	#11
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer Originally Posted by strato Maybe this is why P.T no phone home Bush was paid an average of $20,739 per rushing yard and $21,438 per receiving yard the past two seasons. In the same span, Thomas earned an average of $513 per rushing yard and $1,275 per receiving yard I have to point out, that "Saints fans" these days, seem to be ok with Bush having the armored car roll up to his house, to deliver the money, while at the same time spurning PT, for wanting what he's earned..... Me thinks some people have stars in their eyes... Only problem is, other than subway commercials, and dating a Kardashian, Bush ain't no star...

06-11-2010, 12:50 AM	#12
HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer Originally Posted by dasaints26 1st let me say I'm a big PT fan. 2nd I would like to be his agent. I would tell PT we wont take anythin under the average for a starting RB. PT came to this team as an undrafted RB. He picked this team to come to with its 2 1st round RBs and recently drafted RB that the team moved up to draft. He beat out the drafted RB and earned a spot on this team. For fightin his way on this team he earned a low signing bonus and minimum contract. PT has played his way through this contract and earned starting RB money. Ever notice they show the starting lineup before the game and it aint the people that run out for the 1st play. Running Back rankings in NFL for 07,08,&09 Bush #36,42 & 55 PT #70, 40 & 24 I looked up running back averages for the past 3 years in 09 PT had the 6th best average in RBs with over 100 attempts. In 08 Pt had the 5th best average( tied with A Peterson and S Slaton) in over 100 attempts. In 07 PT had the 14th best average in RBs with over 50 attempts. He only had 52 attempts in his rookie year 4th on the depth chart. Career Attempts Avg TDs Fum Total Yards Bush 488 4.0 17 13 1940 PT23 328 5.1 16 2 1670 I know people dont like stats. They like to formulate total time other defense game plans superstar-speed+draft position/our overall scouting report. I know PT is lucky to be in this offense which enables him to succeed. He is the leading rusher in the #1 offense in the league the past 2 years. He also lead the league in having the least amount of plays with negative yards. Reggie is nowhere near that. Same offense 1 RB gains 1.1 more yards per rushing attempt over 3 years. I think PT should at least earn 1/2 of what the STARTER earns. ^^ good stuff. I'm all about the Avg. yards per carry and the least plays of negative yards. Those stats don't deceive. Total numbers are subject to how much a player was used or overused vs. their efficiency per play.
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06-11-2010, 12:55 AM	#13
HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer Originally Posted by saintpaul25 I have to point out, that "Saints fans" these days, seem to be ok with Bush having the armored car roll up to his house, to deliver the money, while at the same time spurning PT, for wanting what he's earned..... Me thinks some people have stars in their eyes... Only problem is, other than subway commercials, and dating a Kardashian, Bush ain't no star... .... double standards, hypocrisy, ____I've edited myself and will stop there ok, one more.... convenient, simple-minded favoritism.
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06-11-2010, 05:29 AM	#14
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer Originally Posted by saintpaul25 "Saints fans" these days, seem to be ok with Bush having the armored car roll up to his house, to deliver the money, ... I suppose he shoulda said, "You know, I could sign a mega-million dollar contract, but I'm gonna go out there and prove it before I actually take the money...like all the other draftees in history have done." I've seen RB do things that PT couldn't do in his dreams.
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06-11-2010, 07:16 AM	#15
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer I don't see where 3-4 million a year is out of line. Is PT the greatest.....no, he's not. Has PT done a great job for this team....IMO, YES. His agent is helping to prolong this; PT fire him and get a real agent.

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dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer I've seen PT do things Reggie cant do. Run the play called follow his blockers and gain 4-5 positive yards. I would define our starting RB as the RB that carries the ball more often. The last 2 years it was PT. I dont think our starting RB should get paid 1/5 of his backup. I know why PT ran the ball more we were saving Reggie for punt returns.
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06-11-2010, 09:51 PM	#17
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer Reggie signed for Draft pick money. PT was undrafted and got what he was offered. . We are carrying out the contract with RB and trying to put one together for PT. PT is not going to get lone start star Running Back Money. That is just the way it is for now. If I was him I'd sign for one year and make it a make or break season.

06-12-2010, 06:48 AM	#18
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer PT doesn't rate Bush money. Bush doesn't rate Bush money. Both contributed equally to the Saints winning a Super Bowl. In an either or situation, I would take Thomas. My guess is he'll either play under the tender or not play at all.
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06-12-2010, 07:41 AM	#19
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer Good for the organization. As I said before he needs to get at least one more year under his belt IMO before we pay him the big bucks. I'm not saying he's not good and made contributions and will be a Saint for a longtime. I'm only saying it's not money time yet!

06-12-2010, 12:38 PM	#20
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Saints could reduce PT's contract offer Originally Posted by CheramieIII Good for the organization. As I said before he needs to get at least one more year under his belt IMO before we pay him the big bucks. I'm not saying he's not good and made contributions and will be a Saint for a longtime. I'm only saying it's not money time yet! Disagree. If the Saints plan to keep him, better to sign him now. There's nothing else left for PT23 to prove to the Saints. If PT23 doesn't get the long term security from the team this year, most likely he would leave out of spite. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it is what it is. The only thing that needs to happen is to determine the value. That's the real issue. There are multiple sticking points: 1) PT23 is good, but he isn't a superstar. 2) Bush is a superstar, but look at the numbers. PT23's team need to show the Saints how to build the RB contract for the new millennium. It's going to need extended years, be backloaded, and have enough guaranteed money to make it attractive. The Saints offer of $11 million for 4 years is closer to the truth than Steven Jackson money (which is a pipe dream). Push it one more year, get the annual near $3.5 million, and that's the territory of proper value. 5 years, $16.5 million ought to do it with the Saints loading the extra $5 million on the last 3 years of the contract. SFIAH
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