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Yeah ... he did the deed... he gives it up! 16 20.78%
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Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

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Old 06-14-2010, 10:32 PM   #31
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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

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Old 06-15-2010, 06:37 AM   #32
 
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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

Originally Posted by 6stringsaint View Post
I don't mean to take the focus off of hot chicks and stripping, but if you have a second you should check out this "article"..ranting, raving nonsense would be a better description for it, but anyway.

Ex-USC cheaters Bush, Mayo deserve financial suffering - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com
That's certainly an interesting angle. If that could be pulled off, it may actually motivate players to not partake prematurely. It bears watching to see how it pans out!
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Old 06-15-2010, 09:04 AM   #33
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NO. Hes why USC has to vacate wins and the title, but USC, and the BOOSTERS ruined his eligibility, minus what ever his families financial situation, what young college kid is turning down money??? for playin football at that??? Yes it is Clearly stated in the NCAA Student Athlete Hand Book, that receiving money or unkind benefits is a violation and will force you to loose your amateur status no matter the sport ( Jeremy Bloom college FB and olympic skiing) the loss of amateur status rules said athlete ineligible from their respective sport. Reggie Bush did not read that hand book i know so cus when I went off to UMass I looked at that manual and used it as a door stop numerous players all over CFB are gettin paid to some degree its been going on FOREVER!! That manual is so big it makes you wonder if you are even allowed to breathe, If he has to give it up then they need to investigate the rest of the modern era winners for amateur status violations... Hes got a Super Bowl Ring i'll take that all day long.
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Old 06-15-2010, 09:21 AM   #34
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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

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NO. Hes why USC has to vacate wins and the title, but USC, and the BOOSTERS ruined his eligibility, minus what ever his families financial situation, what young college kid is turning down money??? for playin football at that??? Yes it is Clearly stated in the NCAA Student Athlete Hand Book, that receiving money or unkind benefits is a violation and will force you to loose your amateur status no matter the sport ( Jeremy Bloom college FB and olympic skiing) the loss of amateur status rules said athlete ineligible from their respective sport. Reggie Bush did not read that hand book i know so cus when I went off to UMass I looked at that manual and used it as a door stop numerous players all over CFB are gettin paid to some degree its been going on FOREVER!! That manual is so big it makes you wonder if you are even allowed to breathe, If he has to give it up then they need to investigate the rest of the modern era winners for amateur status violations... Hes got a Super Bowl Ring i'll take that all day long.
I agree ..Bush is a drop in the pond to what goes on in college sports..he just got ratted out...
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Old 06-15-2010, 01:29 PM   #35
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Does anyone else think that he's come under, and been under ongoing scrutiny as a direct result of his very public lawsuit with Lloyd Lake and New Era? Is this not Reggie's fault?

I believe that crossing-the-line pampering is present in every competitive school. I don't think nearly as blatant and obvious as Reggie's though. I don't see how he doesn't represent a worst case scenario?

If he didn't handle things like a little, elitist diva douche, then the public or NCAA would probably never speak squeek about any of this. I think his blatant disregard for closed door obligations is what this trail of mud is really spawned from.

He continually displayed this elitist attitude transitioning to the pros, starting with refusing to work out with team on to petitioning the NFL to rearrange their position numbering system so that he, of all players to ever transition to the NFL, could retain his college number at the RB position.

I very much agree with the comments made about being responsible for doing wrong. Reggie has taken full advantage of an over-rewarding system as many players do. The way I see it, he arrogantly flaked out when it came to holding up his end though. To think, because deals are made with a handshake (and orally), to avoid red tape, and then you screw the people who hooked you up because you're taking advantage of the "shady" manor that agreements were made is pretty low.

Didn't he recently find himself in another lawsuit for publicly announcing his contributions to a fund raiser and then later sued by the fund raiser for never meeting his donation obligations? They said they never saw a penny from him... sued him.

Reggie represents everything I hate about the game, and it starts all the way back to this mess he's left behind pre-pro days. If he's created a shady past that follows him, so be it. I am also 99.9% certain that if this story was the focus of any other organizations player (that paralleled this scenario) aside from a Saint, this forum wouldn't take up the defensive so loosely.

As far as actually taking the trophy back from him.... I could truly care less. I think that all of the negative PR is the most effect form of justice.
.... they shouldn't have to strip it from him.... if they follow him around for a little while, he's likely to fumble it.
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Old 06-15-2010, 01:39 PM   #36
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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

So the head coach can get paid millions of dollars,but the players can't recieve a penny.WTF.
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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

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So the head coach can get paid millions of dollars,but the players can't recieve a penny.WTF.
The players are getting paid. How much does it cost to go to USC for four years, live in the dorms or student appartments for four years, to have every meal paid for for four years? How much was that scolarship worth that Reggie Bush recieved? Their job is to play football to the absolute best of their ability and to keep decent grades. That's what they get paid for. If college players could get paid like a pro, if they could recieve endorsements, they would spend way too much time working with agents, lawyers, and sponsers instead of the important things I mentioned before, school and football. IMO.

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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

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I agree ..Bush is a drop in the pond to what goes on in college sports..he just got ratted out...
thats an understatement strato, he was just the biggest star coming out of college in forever. perfect setup for a pour family and huge star. he settled with his ordeal, don't know if that made him guilty or not but i don't care he helped get the saints there first ring and thats legal as it comes. i wish they would kill this thread. the hell with USC.
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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

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The players are getting paid. How much does it cost to go to USC for four years, live in the dorms or student appartments for four years, to have every meal paid for for four years? How much was that scolarship worth that Reggie Bush recieved? Their job is to play football to the absolute best of their ability and to keep decent grades. That's what they get paid for. If college players could get paid like a pro, if they could recieve endorsements, they would spend way too much time working with agents, lawyers, and sponsers instead of the important things I mentioned before, school and football. IMO.
There's an argument for what you're saying - for those athletes on full scholarship, even though I think the money they (the big names like Reggie) bring in and the intangibles equate to more money than their scholarship is worth...it's hard to measure the way a high school kid feels toward a University because of "x" player...I mean how do you put a dollar value on that?

Still, they aren't all on full scholarship right? And even still, you're telling this kid, "look, your school, your meals, and your rent are paid for." Then we tell them, "you can NOT take another dollar from whatever the entity because you'll lose it all." So the players can essentially whore themselves out to the school - they get tuition and meals and a place to sleep in return for their performance, which benefits the school in their recruiting efforts and puts buts in seats and generates a LOT of money for the institution, yet they cannot whore themselves out to a booster who wants to give them a car?

I understand my argument isn't terribly lucid, and I confess I haven't looked in to the whole picture as to the why's and why not's, but it seems to me, on the surface at least, that the rules that prohibit these kids from taking advantage of their position aren't entirely for the benefit if the kids.

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Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

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There's an argument for what you're saying - for those athletes on full scholarship, even though I think the money they (the big names like Reggie) bring in and the intangibles equate to more money than their scholarship is worth...it's hard to measure the way a high school kid feels toward a University because of "x" player...I mean how do you put a dollar value on that?

Still, they aren't all on full scholarship right? And even still, you're telling this kid, "look, your school, your meals, and your rent are paid for." Then we tell them, "you can NOT take another dollar from whatever the entity because you'll lose it all." So the players can essentially whore themselves out to the school - they get tuition and meals and a place to sleep in return for their performance, which benefits the school in their recruiting efforts and puts buts in seats and generates a LOT of money for the institution, yet they cannot whore themselves out to a booster who wants to give them a car?

I understand my argument isn't terribly lucid, and I confess I haven't looked in to the whole picture as to the why's and why not's, but it seems to me, on the surface at least, that the rules that prohibit these kids from taking advantage of their position aren't entirely for the benefit if the kids.
i hear what u-r saying all the way, the only benefit is if they graduate or make it all the way into the nfl. its all for selling tickets, filling seats sharing profits from conferences.now some stories you hear about security guard jobs that payed 80,000 a year and the athelete not in the guard house till its pay day. you want to investigate that sure. but why not give them living and spending cash for burgers and movies. they have been talking about it for years but nobody does anything about it. good take on it saintfan.

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