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Horn: "Take those damn bags off your heads and go get some groceries or something."
Did Horn just call the Bagheads out ????? This could get ugly ........ |
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Horn would like to sack bag-head fans Thursday October 16, 2003 By Jeff Duncan Staff writer Paper or plastic? It doesn\'t matter what kind of bag Saints fans prefer, wide receiver Joe Horn wants them to know they should keep them at home. From Our Advertiser \"A fan doesn\'t come to the game with a bag to put on his head and boo us on the football field,\" Horn said. \"To me, that\'s not a fan. I understand how fans feel. We lose football games, and they pay their hard-earned money for those high-priced tickets. They want to see the Saints perform. I understand that. I respect that. But to put a bag over your head is insulting me as a player.\" Horn has come under criticism since making similar comments after Sunday\'s win against Chicago and again Monday in a national radio interview. But Wednesday, he said he stood by his comments. \"There is a difference between those fans and the ones that bring the bags,\" Horn said. \"Some fans say, \'I don\'t care if you win or lose. I\'m going to die watching you guys. I\'m not going to cut off the TV. I love you guys, win or lose.\' I love that. Those are our real fans.\" |
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I wish Joe Horn was a member of this board. I bet he would have a few things to tell some of you............... :mad:
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How he has kept focused and caught every ball thrown his way this season , would not be one of them .
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I doubt he\'d attempt to fault Brooks for HIS mistakes like you would 08! ;)
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Sorry guys, but horn can take those comments and stick \'em up his you-know-what. Guess what Joe. WE pay your salary. We do. No fans, no NFL. No network contracts, no merchandising, no big stadiums and ridiculous contracts, nothing. Just go ask the MLS if you don\'t believe me.
Joe Horn seems to believe that his job is to play football. He\'s wrong. His job, as with all professional athletes, is to entertain. If he does that poorly, he\'s going to hear boos, he\'s going to see bagheads and empty stadiums, and it\'s all deserved. Saints fans are only different than fans everywhere else in the US in that we\'ve NEVER seen a team good enough to get past more than one post season game. Damn right we\'re fed up. Not only do our hard earned dollars pay for seats and $5 hotdogs, but now our TAX dollars do too - just putting more money in the hands of an already ridiculuosly wealthy man who has shown that he can\'t build a winner either. If Joe Horn thinks it\'s OK for this team\'s performance to make its fans feels sick to the stomach then I think he\'s in the wrong business. Maybe he should try theatre. Otherwise Joe, if you want the fans to treat you nice, I highly recommend that you shut the hell up, start catching the damn ball, and have you and your teammates put a few wins on the board! It still amazes me that athletes that come here knock the fans. As with New Orleans in general, we do everything to extremes. When our team is bad, we let them know it. But the same is true for when they\'re good too. I mean, the league had to make a rule back in the early 90\'s b/c it got so loud in the Dome that other teams couldn\'t call a play. Anyone remember that? When they had the decibal meters in the dome and would take timeouts away from the Saints when it got too loud? Joe, put up or shut up. |
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If a fan is so ashamed to be seen in the dome that he needs to wear a bag on his head, then they shouldn\'t go in the first place. The only reason they are wearing the bags this early in the season is because they just want some attention. Well, they got Horn\'s attention !! What\'s the problem?
Joe has the right to say what he thinks about the bag heads. The fans that are wearing bags are being disrespectful on purpose. The players are playing through injuries and I\'m sure they don\'t enjoy losing. But some fans like to go to extremes and they got called on it. |
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WhoDat - Well said...
I wish I had written that! BTW: \"ridiculuosly\" and \"decibal\" are spelled wrong ;) Thought you\'d appreciate that. |
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Lemme tell you something. Joe Horn should be a little less concerned with what his fans are doing and a little more concerned about what HE and HIS TEAM are doing on the field. Joe Horn has been paid handsomely to wear black and gold for three and a quarter years now. I\'ve been paying to wear it for decades and HE wants ME to listen to HIM about this team? Joe Horn should be thanking his lucky stars he\'s in New Orleans, otherwise he\'d be wasting away riding pine in Kansas City right now.
There are a lot of fans who are right to be disappointed enough in the Saints to don a bag. Joe, shut up and play a good game, then talk about it... maybe. Or you could try being like Deuce. Quietly do your job better than just about anyone else in the league. Now there\'s a novel idea from an athlete. |
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WhoDat -- Your arguement is that fans pay Joe\'s salary, right? Well, opposing teams fan pay to get into the dome also. Just watch when Atlanta comes to town. Some of them will be holding signs degrading the Saints !! Can Joe comment on them?
Joe is a guy that is the last one to leave when signing autographs. This guy is a probowl player. He\'s passionate about his job. Where do you get off telling ANYone on this Saints team what to say. I\'m with Joe. Those fans are nothing but a bunch of COWARDS .+ |
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Just to play devil\'s advocate here, do you think Joe would be as passionate about playing if, say, he made $30,000 a year? How about paying out money to play? Now times that about 25 years and then you can say who has a say. I think fans have a right to express their emotions as long as it doesn\'t physically harm anyone. If that means wearing a whistle on your head or a bag. How dare Mr. Horn talk about fans disrespecting him! Try walking into a sports bar or down the street anywhere besides the State of Louisiana as a diehard Saints fan and then we\'ll talk disrespect. At least he gets payed handsomely for having to hear or see a little ridicule, most of the time I\'ve just spent another $25-$30 bucks to be made fun of and be taunted.
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I agree with Whodat. Listen, season tickets are a 10 game investment. If the only way for some of us to get through these horrible games is to have a little levity then so be it. I think Joe Horn needs to take that energy and tell his teammates who aren\'t producing, \"Hey look at those fans, they are embarrassed to show their faces because of how bad we play. WE HAVE TO MAKE THEM PROUD TO BE A SAINTS FAN\"!! Anyone who watched that Colts game and didn\'t want a bag on their head is either on crack or DEAD!
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Let me put it this way. I have never gone to a place in my life to when I was so ashamed that I had go wear a bag over my head. And guess what? If I had ever gone to a place like that-- I wouldn\'t ever go back !!
Do you keep going to a resturant that you are ashamed of? Maybe you get bad service and you go in there with a bag on your head, so no one will know who you are? I suggest if it\'s that bad that you find another resturant!! The bag heads could always sell their tickets to someone else. God forbid someone finds out they are a Saints fan. |
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Well said, there are more fans that feel this way than even we know. We see and hear the ones who come in here and post. God knows how many come in, read and don\'t say a thing because of fear of ridicule by other members. I\'m a big Joe Horn fan but sometime he needs to talk to his teammates and not the fans. After all we can quit going to the games, they can\'t. What happens to that big contract then? |
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If it bothers someone to be made fun of because you are a Saints fan, you have 30 other choices out there. The Colts and Panthers are looking good this year. Try one of them. |
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Again, GOD has spoken! So all you so called fans that have an opinion of the Saints that doesn\'t agree with God(BillyC) please go join some other team, and I mean right fargin now! LMAO!
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I guess I just have a problem with someone who wears a bag when the team is playing poorly and is a proud fan when they are winning. Call me a die hard Saints fan, because you will never be able to call me a bag head....
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I think Joe has it wrong , it isn\'t that the fans don\'t love them win or lose, they are just simply voicing their displeasure. If your child does something wrong , you don\'t hate your child, you hate the action. If the fans weren\'t going to the games period that would tell me that they are not fans, however if they want to wear bags WTF, wear bags. Joe need to shut his pie hole......and catch the football.
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Just so all you will know. I would never be a Bag wearer. I want them to see how pissed off I am, and who I am. I hope they dream about my face every night when they try to sleep. God knows,(not you BillyC) i\'ve lost enough sleep over this team in the past years.
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If a fan is so ashamed to be seen in the dome that he needs to wear a bag on his head, then they shouldn\'t go in the first place.
Billy , you are clueless ..... The bagheads are not ashamed fans , never have been , never will be . The bagheads are real fans , sitting in the stands loss after loss , long after the sting of the Boo\'s have passed and players do not care except to collect their checks . Some of the Bagheads are longtime season ticket holders , making a statement loud and clear . This team should be ashamed of your pathetic performance and since you are not we will be for you . The Bagheads are making a statement \" You can drown out our Boo\'s , but you cannot escape the sight of us in our Bags \" . The Bagheads are a part of N.F.L. history . The statement is clear : Do not come into our house and give less then a 100% or this is what you will see , a baghead . |
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Well said 08. Once again it\'s the world against Billy, but somehow we\'re all crazy and he is right. Billy, I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again, if you stop and look around and think, \"My god, everyone is insane,\" then odds are you\'re the crazy person.
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08,
Eloquent as usual. That\'s a good way of summing it all up. How professional athletes can skate by on not giving their best effort and still expect to be cheered is beyond me. |
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You can call me crazy or whatever you want. but I will NEVER wear a bag to a game or anywhere else for that matter. The original bag heads wore the bags because they didn\'t want to be recongized as a Saints fan. That\'s why they wanted to hide their face. Now we have a bunch of fans that are trying to be cute and get some attention. You call it what you will, but I call it disrespectful. Maybe they should wear bags on their head when they go watch their kids play high school ball? Let \'em make a statement to their kid\'s school, to play their kid that is sitting on the bench.
I\'m not ashamed of the players. I am disappointed, but not ashamed. The only one I\'m ashamed of are the CLASSLESS fans that have bags on their heads. Maybe they should keep them under their seat and put them on after every bad play when they don\'t think that the players are going all out. I think the idea is to support your team through the good and the bad. Wonder what wearing bags does for the moral of the team? It certainly can\'t help!! But yeah, these fans have the right to wear their bags and Joe Horn has the right to call them what they are ---- COWARDS !! |
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You know, I think BillyC. is right, the fans should not wear the bags to the game. When someone holds up a bank and takes honest people\'s hard-earned money they wear a mask, when someone mugs somebody and takes their pride away, they wear a mask. When someone steals from another and it takes away their dignity, they usually wear a mask. So, in light of these observations the fans should not wear the bags to the games.
The players should start wearing them. |
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If the fans think they are going to make things better by wearing bags, they are idiots. The only thing they are going to accomplish is to bring the moral of this team down. Do you honestly think that the players are going to play harder because fans are wearing bags?
These aren\'t robots out there playing football. These are REAL folks, with real emotions. It\'s gotta be discouraging to see fans wearing bags on their heads. If cheering can get a team emotionally high, then don\'t you think wearing bags can have the reverse effect? There is no way in HELL to justify it in my mind. Support YOUR team when the games are being played and give them every advantage you can. [Edited on 17/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] |
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Here is an original member of the Bagheads .
We will let him explain ...... Laissez les bon temps rouler (Let the good times roll) By Roger Rotter ESPN Fantasy Games Posted: Friday, February 7, 2003 Marlon Guidry won the Fantasy Football Playoff Challenge. Louisiana native Marlon Guidry, 47, has hit a trifecta of good fortune. He\'s working on his 27th year of blissful marriage with two children, has recently triumphed over thousands of fantasy owners to win the ESPN Fantasy Football Playoff Challenge (FFLPC) and will watch future sporting events on his winning prize, a 51\" Panasonic wide screen projection television and home theatre system. He ranks the fantasy title alongside becoming an Eagle Scout by 14 and playing on the 1971 South Lafourche High School state championship football team among his proudest achievements. The Lafayette resident named his entry the Lafayette Loggerheads in honor of his grandfather, Antoine Guidry, who grew up with the \"Cajun French\" nickname \"Cowen\" (Cow-ayne). This translates to a snapping turtle or a loggerhead turtle in English. \"People called grandpa \'Cowen\' because he resembled a dog not wanting to give up on a bone when he latched onto a person, problem or thing,\" explained Guidry, alluding to the persistence of a snapping turtle. \"My grandfather also was a reputable card player, and I can remember him pulling in large pots saying to no one in particular, \'It is better to be lucky than good.\'\" The legacy of his grandfather\'s expertise at games has been passed onto Marlon. He\'s an avid player of fantasy games. In fact, he\'s found more success in building his own teams than being a fan of the perennially disappointing Saints. \"My pro football knowledge comes from watching every team in the league kick the \'Aints a$$ on any given Sunday,\" said Guidry, who enjoys camping, cooking, fishing and photography in his spare time with his wife, Jayne. Overall Leaderboard RK PLAYER TOTAL 1 lafayette loggerheads, marlong 578 2 Hail to the REDSKINS, Renlar 576 3 otto OAKTOWN, 28otto28 573 4 VA Jets Fan 1, Army164 572 As a result, he spent many Sundays at Saints games disguised with a brown bag over his head and was an original member of the \"bagheads.\" \"I learned more about \'what not to do\' as opposed to \'what works\' from following my beloved Saints,\" said Guidry, who graduated from Louisiana Tech with a B.S. in mechanical engineering. Guidry donned his \"baghead\" again when Tampa Bay earned its first franchise victory after 26 defeats. \"I was also in \'that number\' when Cleveland earned its first franchise victory, the second time around, and wished I had a bag to disguise the fact that I paid good money to witness the debacle,\" Guidry said. Guidry embarked on his fantasy sports odyssey when he began playing ESPN Fantasy Games seven years ago, starting with Fantasy Football \'96. All together, he\'s participated in more than 50 fantasy games, giving him a wealth of experience. Guidry forges family ties by playing fantasy football. He and the families of his eight brothers and sisters comprise a 12-team league. They created it in 1995 and called it the Guidry Rules Fantasy Football League. Soon after the NFL season is over, he prepares for his favorite game, ESPN Fantasy Baseball. \"Uber 2003 intrigues me,\" added Guidry about ESPN\'s ultimate fantasy game competition. The objective is to accumulate the most points in as many ESPN Fantasy Games as possible. \"I hope to seriously participate in enough games to move up the Uber ladder.\" Marlon Guidry is playing football with his leaguemates. Success on the first two rounds (wildcard and divisional) of the FFLPC depends on selecting the best players under a salary cap. Guidry\'s strategy was split between analyzing matchups, the weather and his \"gut feeling.\" Guidry decided matchups by concentrating on \"player rankings\" vs. \"points allowed\" provided by ESPN and used weather predictions given by The Weather Channel. \"Wildcard and divisional game rosters were \'fine-tuned\' using the old \'gut feeling\' technique. If it gives you indigestion, stay away from it.\" FFLPC owners selected players from the wildcard games of the Jets-Colts, Falcons-Packers, Steelers-Browns and Giants-49ers. \"Great matchups, mild weather, and no indigestion led me to focus on the New York Giants at San Francisco 49ers wildcard game,\" said Guidry, who has a daughter, 24, and a son, 22. His wildcard team of Jeff Garcia, Kerry Collins, Terrell Owens and Amani Toomer flourished. Toomer was his best bargain, although Curtis Martin was a bust. Choices among the divisional games were Falcons-Eagles, Steelers-Titans, 49ers-Bucs and Jets-Raiders. \"Decent matchups and weather led me to focus on the Pittsburgh Steelers at Tennessee Titans divisional game,\" said Guidry. Key players included Steve McNair, Tommy Maddox and Plaxico Burress. The Philadelphia Eagles defense at \"The Vet\" vs. Atlanta was his \"gut-feeling\" pick. However, Derrick Mason busted. Guidry still had to jump ahead of the pack when he was tied for 19th on the FFLPC Leaderboard after the divisional weekend. He believed a majority of the frontrunners would play it safe and load up on Raiders and Eagles. But he was confident that Tampa Bay would face Oakland instead. \"Watching a healthy Brad Johnson improve each week led me to pick Tampa Bay as the eventual Super Bowl champion,\" said Guidry, who started working at Schlumberger Oilfield Services as a wireline logging engineer after graduating and is currently their senior sales engineer. \"My general strategy for the final two weeks was to pick starting quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers and kickers from the teams participating in the final game, along with the defense of the eventual Super Bowl winner.\" Players on his final roster were Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, Mike Alstott, Jerry Porter and Martin Gramatica. Although Charlie Garner was a bust, Alstott and Porter fared well as sleepers. Correctly picking the Tampa Bay defense and slanting bonus questions towards the Bucs during the final two weeks clinched the victory. Guidry jokingly added: \"I had a good run in the playoff challenge because I recognized the fact that God punished the Tampa Bay Buccaneers more than enough by letting the Saints beat them twice and figured that the Bucs were destined to win the Super Bowl. \"In closing, I would like to thank ESPN, and say to all participants in the FFLPC that I am very happy to be lucky and that I will take lucky over good every day of the week.\" |
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Well said, saintz08. Your evaluation holds true for the original bagheads. However I think Billy is right when he calls people who choose to wear bagheads in week 4 or 5 \"fans that are trying to be cute and get some attention\".
There\'s a time for wearing bags - when the team has once again played ugly football and lost to other really bad teams because the Aints beat themselves. Basically when there\'s a reason to be ashamed of being a fan of a bunch of losers. \"Here I stand, I can\'t do otherwise\" (Martin Luther, not King) They are still fans and probably will be for life, but in a situation like that they are ashamed. Does anyone think we are there yet? Are you ashamed of the way this team played so far? Disappointed, yes. Angry, sometimes. But ashamed? No. Looks to me like the \'03-bagheads don\'t know the history and I doubt they are season-ticket holders. |
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Nocloning ,
Your thought might be stronger except for one thing . Haslett called the fans out last year at the season end . And then proceeds to put out a pathetically coached football team on the field this season so far . Personally I look at the bagheads as a response to Hasletts statement condemming the fans of New Orleans Saints last year . |
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Someone please answer me this
What is the acceptable way for a fan to show his/her displeasure with the team? We can\'t come to a message board and bash them, cause we\'ll be called \'bandwagon\' or \'fair-weather\' fans. We can\'t not go to the games, cause then revenue drops, and LA has a team called the Saints. We can\'t wear bags, cause Joe Horn will be too emotionally distraught to catch footballs. Hmmm.... My opinion is that bagheading is a way to go to the game and visually show the organization that it is doing a poor job. Make me take off the bag. Win some friggin football games. The money I pay for the ticket should be the players\' /coaches\' motivation to do well. My boss doesn\'t have to scream and cheer for me to do my job. Does he/she do that for the rest of you guys? I\'m sure as heck gonna find out if I\'m doing something wrong. And I don\'t get to pick the method my boss uses to let me know. Just my thoughts. |
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Damn good point.
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I think when the fans boo, that the players understand the fans are upset with their play on the field. Is there really any need to wear a bag over your head? Wearing bags isn\'t a crime, but to me, it\'s being disrespectful and I feel it is unneccessary. What\'s the next thing that the fans will do to show their disgust? How about holding up signs that accuse Haslett of sleeping with a cheerleader? How about a sign accussing Joe Horn of sleeping with Roaf\'s wife? There is a such thing as class. I think the bag heads show no class and give the Saints fans a bad name. I can just see free agents standing in line to play for the Saints and the bagheads.
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I think both Joe and the fans have points to be made. Joe wants unconditional support. Sorry, but that Aint real world thinking.... he expects us to approve of losing? That will never happen. As for the bags.... we\'re bad but not that bad. We can be proud of Deuce, Joe (even with his butter fingers), Aaron for working hard in the off season rehabbing, and many other players for doing well. Sure ticket prices hit hard, and so do the other expenses of going to the Dome. We want a good time.... then we get let down time and time again... we feel bad and who wants to feel bad? This team needs to live up to their potential....PERIOD....it would also be nice if they sometimes exceeded their expectations like a few other teams are doing this year. Leadership is always the key and its time for someone to step foreward and lead this team out of this funk and on to a respectable finish. Haz.... McCarthy..... Venturi..... You are being paged.... Aaron.... Hello!...... Deuce can\'t do it all. TEAM ! TEAM ! TEAM !
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Billy, that\'s like saying - showing up to the game is enough to show the team that you support them. There\'s no need to wear jerseys or hats, no need to do more than clap lightly when they make a nice play, screaming and yelling or dressing as a bishop are unneccesary. It goes both ways. If it\'s acceptible for fans to scream and shout and don their team\'s logo when they\'re playing well, then it is just as acceptible for them to show equal levels of disgust when they play poorly. If that includes wearing a bag on your head, so be it.
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