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BillyCarpenter1 10-17-2003 09:47 AM

The Haslett Story
 
In every coaching tenure a story slowly unfolds. While the ending to the Haslett story has yet to be written, we might be reading the final chapter this year. Jim's tenure with the Saints hasn't taken the normal route that one would expect. Haslett took over a team sorely lacking talent in all areas and somehow got them to the playoffs in his first year. Following that, everyone expected the Saints to have steady improvent each year. But, that hasn't been the case. Instead it has been a roller coaster ride that hasn't had any consistancy at all.

The first year under Hasslett the defense seemed to be a strong unit, but the next year we have one of the worst defenses in the league. Last year we have one of the highest scoring offenses in the league and this year we are stuggling to score any points at all. Last year we have one of the best special teams in the league and this year special teams are a weak area. This is hardly the picture of consistancy!!

Haslett's answer to the teams problems is to ship out a high number of faces each year and bring in new ones. This could explain the lack of team chemistry each year, but I think it goes way beyond that. When you consider that the offense has remained in tact from last year, you can't use that as an excuse for the problems on offense this year.

Instead, I think there have been a combination of problems that is the reason this team does not get better each year. I think the biggest problem is with Jim Haslett and his coaching staff. Good coaches recongnize what the strengths of his players are and will play to those strengths. They will also instill discipline in a team and this team is severely lacking in that area. There really is no excuse for this. You can point to lack of talent in certain areas but that doesn't change the FACT that this coaching staff hasn't done it's job in those areas.

This season is on the brink of being lost. There is a real possibility that Haslett can turn things around this year. So far things haven't looked good this season. This game against the Falcons could determine the rest of the season for the Saints and for Jim Haslett's future with the Saints. The team seems to be coming around in some areas but Haslett has got to find way to get this team to play with some consistancy and cut out the stupid mistakes. If they can do that, this could be a team that can get to the playoffs. If they manage to lose to the Falcons, I see no hope at all......


canucksaint 10-17-2003 10:00 AM

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What pessimessim from BillyC :o
Did you forget to put on your rose coloured glasses today?

BillyCarpenter1 10-17-2003 10:04 AM

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What pessimessim from BillyC :o
Did you forget to put on your rose coloured glasses today?

Nah.... I just know how big a game this is for us this Sunday. If we lose it\'s basically over. If we win there\'s still a chance. If we win and do it in an impressive fashion, then look out !!!

TheOriginalSwampdog 10-17-2003 10:48 AM

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I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again. Sometimes you have to take a step backwards to take a step forward. Thus, I hope we don\'t do well this year. Let\'s be honest, we can\'t beat the likes of Tampa, Carolina, Washington, Giants or Dallas. So, does it REALLY matter if we beat the pitiful Falcons? Yeah, I\'d like to beat them at least once this year cause I f\'n hate the Falcons but other than that, it really doesn\'t matter. Let\'s put it this way, does it make ANY difference if we go 6-10 and 3-13? You bet. We go 3-13, we get a new coaching staff and a new quarterback. Both things that we need desperately if we are to ever get to the next level. So, in conclusion, I hope we lose enough to make these changes happen. We know the Saints don\'t know how to win, hopefully, they\'ve learned how to lose. That will be the only way we will get a Al Saunders and Eli Manning.

BillyCarpenter1 10-17-2003 10:52 AM

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Dog -- It\'s attitudes like that yours that I HATE !! You have no idea what the HELL you are talking about. Did the military teach you to give up? I sure hope not !! I\'m not worried about next year. I\'m worried about this year. You need to quit playing FANTASY football and step in to the real world.

You have got to be the sorriest excuse for a fan that I\'ve ever seen.

JudeThaddeus 10-17-2003 11:16 AM

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Excellent post, BillyC. I agree on almost everything and believe I seriously overestimated Haslett and Co, as I crowed about them for several years. I also have hope for this season. Players can get hot and streaks do happen. Players also cool off and streaks end. It will be difficult with this schedule as I am worried that we may get on a streak and then hit our bye, thus derailing the streak (remember last year?)

We have a challenging deficit in the loss category already and our schedule is very tough. I understand Dog\'s feeling about wanting to do badly though I do not share them. It is certainly a long shot for us now and there is some temptation to hope we can at least parlay our season into good draft picks and an organizational shake-up. The shake-up that gave us Haslett certainly made me optimisic, especially since players always play harder for a new coaching staff and organization.

Here\'s hoping we can pull THE comeback. Vice that, I hope we can at least get some people in there for next year. What would be the worst possible outcome is that we play an average season and get the usual off-season moves (a lot of player replacement and a continuation of the lack of team chemistry and effective coaching).

TheOriginalSwampdog 10-17-2003 12:13 PM

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No chump. What the military gave me was the skills to know how to retreat, regroup and come back with better leadership (coaching) and better equipment (players-namely qb). You are the kind of fan I hate. The one\'s that support mediocrity and are willing to blindly back poor coaching staffs with poor players JUST BECAUSE THEY WEAR A SAINTS UNIFORM! Here\'s a little history lesson for you bafoon. The Saints have won ONE playoff game in it\'s entire history because of coaching regimes and thinking just like yours. \"Oh it\'s only preseaon, we\'ll get better as the season goes on\". \"Oh, Brooks will get better, it\'s only his THIRD year as the starter\". \"Oh Haz knows what he\'s doing even though he\'s had two late season collapses in a row and is 2-4 this season with only wins against the lowly Texans and Bears to show for it\". \"Oh, let\'s win 6 games and win just enough to prohibit us from getting a truly impact player in next year\'s draft\". You sir, are the biggest idiot I\'ve had the misfortune of meeting in my entire existance. Good day to you sir. See you at the end of a 3-13 season.

[Edited on 17/10/2003 by TheOriginalSwampdog]

BillyCarpenter1 10-17-2003 12:15 PM

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TheOriginalSwampdog --

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What the military gave me was the skills to know how to retreat
I understand........... :exclam:

JOESAM2002 10-17-2003 01:12 PM

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People! You have done really well up to now. Are you going to start this crap again? Stop it!

lumm0x 10-17-2003 05:05 PM

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I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again. Sometimes you have to take a step backwards to take a step forward. Thus, I hope we don\'t do well this year. Let\'s be honest, we can\'t beat the likes of Tampa, Carolina, Washington, Giants or Dallas. So, does it REALLY matter if we beat the pitiful Falcons? Yeah, I\'d like to beat them at least once this year cause I f\'n hate the Falcons but other than that, it really doesn\'t matter. Let\'s put it this way, does it make ANY difference if we go 6-10 and 3-13? You bet. We go 3-13, we get a new coaching staff and a new quarterback. Both things that we need desperately if we are to ever get to the next level. So, in conclusion, I hope we lose enough to make these changes happen. We know the Saints don\'t know how to win, hopefully, they\'ve learned how to lose. That will be the only way we will get a Al Saunders and Eli Manning.
I would never want to rely on a high pick in the draft to be what turns this team around. I can agree that a coaching change may be necessary at the end of the year, whether we are 3-13 or 6-10. The only thing that would sway me to push for Haslett\'s return would be a good run from this point on. I\'m not saying we need to make the playoffs for him to stay, but if he could prove that the game plan and preparation make us highly competetive in every game, that the players are motivated by him, and we finish out the season with a shot at the post season....I\'ll be impressed. I\'d give him another year and see what happens. The draft, however, is such a crapshoot that you could have a top three pick for 4 straight years and still have a bunch of bums (see the Bengals). A good front office will continue to add depth and talent to a above average team even with poor draft positions. Some teams have a way of continually adding contributors and finding some late round players that turn into the steals of the draft. To me, 3-13 or 6-10...I\'ll rather have 6-10 and rebuild as if I was 3-13.

whowatches 10-18-2003 09:16 AM

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Great point about the draft, Lummox. If you look at the number one and number two picks of the draft over the last decade even, you see that the impact isn\'t always significant. Most of the time the team that drafts the high pick gets held hostage by a huge contract. Other times, the player\'s a bust. Rare exceptions exist (P.Manning, M.Vick), but think of the ones that don\'t help his team. What if we get a high pick and waste it on the next Ryan Leaf, Courtney Brown, Kijana Carter...? We don\'t know how big the window is for the talent we have right now to be successful, right? Do we squander that talent by waiting for a high draft pick to develop? Do we place all our hopes (and a large portion of cap space) on one, young player? Look how well the Falcons have done this year as opposed to last.

I think when you have a team as talented as this one, you need motivation more than anything. I still believe that we\'ve used the draft very well since Haslett / Mueller came to town. Lummox hit the nail on the head with what we need to see for the rest of this season: the ability of Haslett to motivate the team after a very disappointing start. I would much rather see a late season surge (even if we don\'t make the playoffs) that instills some confidence in this group. I would be more than happy then to see Haslett return for another year.

WhoDat 10-18-2003 10:39 AM

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I agree, but I\'ve said it before in another post and I\'m going to say it again in this one.

BILLY - YOU NEED TO CHILL. Swampdog is not doing anything more than expressing his opinion. You\'re regressing to jumping all over people for speaking their mind like you did when you first got to this board. Obviously, you two don\'t like each other. So just be quiet and shake your head when he posts. Or find a way to make him look foolish intelligently, but name calling is... to use the words of your ally... old and tired.

BillyCarpenter1 10-18-2003 12:00 PM

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BILLY - YOU NEED TO CHILL.
I\'m chillin\' man. There\'s no argument out of me that everyone is entitled to their opinion. There is also no argument out of me that there is no need for name calling.

However, I stand by my statement that OSD is \"The sorriest excuse for a fan that I\'ve ever seen.\" Saying someone is a sorry football fan is hardly out of bounds !! If OSD is going to wish for the Saints to lose the rest of their games, then I\'m going to call it like I see it !!

I can understand wanting to keep the topics related to football for the most part, but this board has increasingly gotten to the point where everyone is so concerned about hurting peoples feelings that we need to get Dr. Phil in here to lead the way.



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