Maybe we need a new kicker.....

TheKillerBs · 09-28-2010, 11:31 AM

Amen, Danno!

TheKillerBs · 09-28-2010, 11:32 AM

I wonder if Morten is available...

cablebandit · 09-28-2010, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it.

fumble
pick
sack
penalties
player injured and out for season
touchdown
kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success

When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on.

One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process.

High percentage chance of a good kick....he did what he should have. He showed confidence in his young kicker which should have helped Hartley. Hartley failed to do his job. Are there any better kickers available? Probably not plus you risk Hartley being picked up by someone else...developing his craft a little more and then facing him again for many years.

Danno · 09-28-2010, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Hate to say it but Falcon fan is right ..kicking the ball was the right choice...Hartley missed a gimme...how hard is that to understand?????

Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already.

I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker.

cablebandit · 09-28-2010, 12:58 PM

Brees and company may have been more banged up than anyone realized. Also, any Saints fans know their TD percentage when in the red zone? Its easy to do something different in hindsight but had he made the kick, i really doubt anyone would have been questioning the call.

Danno · 09-28-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by cablebandit

Its easy to do something different in hindsight but had he made the kick, i really doubt anyone would have been questioning the call.

I questioned it before he kicked, and so did several others I spoke with.

RaginCajun83 · 09-28-2010, 02:41 PM

What I don't get is that Drew had drove them down the field and then Payton dives into the Carl Smith playbook .... at least try to score on first and second down and then kick the FG, oh well time to move on, learn and hang a 40 burger on the Panthers

Lifer · 09-28-2010, 03:34 PM

Maybe it's the holder....why not change things up and give Chase Daniels a go at holding for kicks? Would also add a threat on fakes...Just saying...

SaintsFan1967 · 09-28-2010, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already.

I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker.

I agree 100%

saintfan · 09-28-2010, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I questioned it before he kicked, and so did several others I spoke with.

I did too, if for no other reason than we may have to do it in the playoffs. My step dad and I were completely shocked to see them trot out the Field Goal team there. We were moving the ball. Their D was giving in. Grow a pair and put the damn ball in the end zone so I can go back to eating left over ribs.

09-28-2010, 12:29 PM	#93
cablebandit Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 76	Originally Posted by Saint_LB Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it. fumble pick sack penalties player injured and out for season touchdown kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on. One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process. High percentage chance of a good kick....he did what he should have. He showed confidence in his young kicker which should have helped Hartley. Hartley failed to do his job. Are there any better kickers available? Probably not plus you risk Hartley being picked up by someone else...developing his craft a little more and then facing him again for many years.
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09-28-2010, 12:53 PM	#94
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by strato Hate to say it but Falcon fan is right ..kicking the ball was the right choice...Hartley missed a gimme...how hard is that to understand????? Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already. I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker.

09-28-2010, 12:58 PM	#95
cablebandit Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 76	Brees and company may have been more banged up than anyone realized. Also, any Saints fans know their TD percentage when in the red zone? Its easy to do something different in hindsight but had he made the kick, i really doubt anyone would have been questioning the call.
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09-28-2010, 01:01 PM	#96
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by cablebandit Its easy to do something different in hindsight but had he made the kick, i really doubt anyone would have been questioning the call. I questioned it before he kicked, and so did several others I spoke with.

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Lifer Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 69	Maybe it's the holder....why not change things up and give Chase Daniels a go at holding for kicks? Would also add a threat on fakes...Just saying...
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TheKillerBs Thread Killer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hammond, LA Posts: 366	Amen, Danno!

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SaintsFan1967 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 109	Originally Posted by Danno Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already. I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker. I agree 100%
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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno I questioned it before he kicked, and so did several others I spoke with. I did too, if for no other reason than we may have to do it in the playoffs. My step dad and I were completely shocked to see them trot out the Field Goal team there. We were moving the ball. Their D was giving in. Grow a pair and put the damn ball in the end zone so I can go back to eating left over ribs.