Maybe we need a new kicker.....

Euphoria · 09-26-2010, 04:38 PM

Bye Hartley it was fun while it lastest. Cut him first thing tomorrow. So who is on the wavier wire.

Danno · 09-26-2010, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

your taking about a shaky kicker that made a clutch kick in the NFC champs game. I mean there is a 95% or more that most kickers make that kick.

So you put him in if Brees and our offense don't score in 3 plays, or even more if we get a 1st down.

I trust Brees and his boys on 1st down at the 12 more than just about any kicker.

CheramieIII · 09-26-2010, 04:40 PM

Look at the game winning field goal against the 49ers and then look at the one he missed today. The look almost identical. He's overcompensating for something but coach should have corrected that after last game when he almost missed that one.

st thomas · 09-26-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I have to say, regardless of the circumstance, I'm a little "shakey" when it comes to Hartley this season.

He just has not looked as solid as last season.

Yes he won it for us last week, but as someone pointed out, that kick looked tipped.

He could be our weakness this season.

all true halo but we know coach payton does'nt like to part with his draft picks.

Halo · 09-26-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

its hard to believe that payton lost faith in us holding on to the ball. it was a rookie he trusted to put in the game. ivory loss it. okay thats ivory not pt not evans not betts. on the other hand hartly missed more than we put the ball on the ground. and he went hartly and we missed it and were mad because of it. and it will all go away next week. but we can be upset. and should we bring in another kicker.

Bring in who?

What kicker that's so good is just sitting at home waiting for a call from an NFL team?

I'm being serious, I don't know of anyone just "available" off top of my head. They're all playing for other NFL teams.

pherein · 09-26-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He missed 40% of his FG's before today.

I'd call that shaky.

so seriously Danno, are we N.E. and letting go a vinatieri go? I know it hurts, and hes messing up, but that the answer. I hate hartley today, because we won easy, and SP made the write call and we lost.

in 2009 vinatieri got colts into the SB, this the road we want to take?

hartley Fd up, we lost, it was an easy kick, he Fd up

Saint_LB · 09-26-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Bring in who?

What kicker that's so good is just sitting at home waiting for a call from an NFL team?

I'm being serious, I don't know of anyone just "available" off top of my head. They're all playing for other NFL teams.

Weren't you a kicker...why not you?

21Hilliard · 09-26-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

hartley should have made that kick, its that simple

The defense should have played better all around. Run defense was porous. Atlanta killed us on 3rd down (something like 50% conversions), and the Falcons converted TWO 4th and 2s on that late 2nd quarter touchdown drive. The secondary was RAPED by the big play. Gonzales had a field day catching the ball, mostly in the first half, but the damage had been done.

Offense looked inoffensive at times. We didn't run the ball very much or very effectively- 16 attempts for 43 yards. We lived and died by the home run ball, and that killed us. Yes, Lance Moore had an 80 yard grab for a TD, but Brees also gave up an INT on a deep pass, which just killed the drive, and a couple more missed/dropped deep balls which led to 3 and outs.

Penalties! Stupid penalties all over the field. How man pass interference calls were there on us? Ayodele's horse collar tackle on 2-1 from our 1, it would have been 3rd-1 instead of 1-1.

Time of Possession: ATL 45:50 NOR 27:15. If you can't continue drives, you can't score points.

We beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame, NOT JUST the kicker.

The return game was kind of our only bright spot. Moore's return in the 1st quarter set us up for an easy 6 yard drive to score.

Danno · 09-26-2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

so seriously Danno, are we N.E. and letting go a vinatieri go? I know it hurts, and hes messing up, but that the answer. I hate hartley today, because we won easy, and SP made the write call and we lost.

in 2009 vinatieri got colts into the SB, this the road we want to take?

I'm not for cutting him. There isn't much better available.

I'm simply against taking the ball out of Drews hands on 1st down and giving the ball to a kicker who's 3-5 for the year.

If it was 4th down, or probably 3rd, I'd have given it to Hartley, but not 1st down.

Halo · 09-26-2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Weren't you a kicker...why not you?

Hate to say it but lil chip shots like that, even old folks and girls can make those

09-26-2010, 04:39 PM	#52
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by pherein your taking about a shaky kicker that made a clutch kick in the NFC champs game. I mean there is a 95% or more that most kickers make that kick. So you put him in if Brees and our offense don't score in 3 plays, or even more if we get a 1st down. I trust Brees and his boys on 1st down at the 12 more than just about any kicker.

09-26-2010, 04:41 PM	#54
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by Halo I have to say, regardless of the circumstance, I'm a little "shakey" when it comes to Hartley this season. He just has not looked as solid as last season. Yes he won it for us last week, but as someone pointed out, that kick looked tipped. He could be our weakness this season. all true halo but we know coach payton does'nt like to part with his draft picks.

09-26-2010, 04:45 PM	#55
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,205 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by st thomas its hard to believe that payton lost faith in us holding on to the ball. it was a rookie he trusted to put in the game. ivory loss it. okay thats ivory not pt not evans not betts. on the other hand hartly missed more than we put the ball on the ground. and he went hartly and we missed it and were mad because of it. and it will all go away next week. but we can be upset. and should we bring in another kicker. Bring in who? What kicker that's so good is just sitting at home waiting for a call from an NFL team? I'm being serious, I don't know of anyone just "available" off top of my head. They're all playing for other NFL teams.

09-26-2010, 04:45 PM	#56
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno He missed 40% of his FG's before today. I'd call that shaky. so seriously Danno, are we N.E. and letting go a vinatieri go? I know it hurts, and hes messing up, but that the answer. I hate hartley today, because we won easy, and SP made the write call and we lost. in 2009 vinatieri got colts into the SB, this the road we want to take? hartley Fd up, we lost, it was an easy kick, he Fd up
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09-26-2010, 04:47 PM	#57
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by Halo Bring in who? What kicker that's so good is just sitting at home waiting for a call from an NFL team? I'm being serious, I don't know of anyone just "available" off top of my head. They're all playing for other NFL teams. Weren't you a kicker...why not you?
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09-26-2010, 04:38 PM	#51
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09-26-2010, 04:40 PM	#53
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Look at the game winning field goal against the 49ers and then look at the one he missed today. The look almost identical. He's overcompensating for something but coach should have corrected that after last game when he almost missed that one.

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21Hilliard 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Raised on the Bayou - living in DFW Posts: 136	Originally Posted by pherein hartley should have made that kick, its that simple The defense should have played better all around. Run defense was porous. Atlanta killed us on 3rd down (something like 50% conversions), and the Falcons converted TWO 4th and 2s on that late 2nd quarter touchdown drive. The secondary was RAPED by the big play. Gonzales had a field day catching the ball, mostly in the first half, but the damage had been done. Offense looked inoffensive at times. We didn't run the ball very much or very effectively- 16 attempts for 43 yards. We lived and died by the home run ball, and that killed us. Yes, Lance Moore had an 80 yard grab for a TD, but Brees also gave up an INT on a deep pass, which just killed the drive, and a couple more missed/dropped deep balls which led to 3 and outs. Penalties! Stupid penalties all over the field. How man pass interference calls were there on us? Ayodele's horse collar tackle on 2-1 from our 1, it would have been 3rd-1 instead of 1-1. Time of Possession: ATL 45:50 NOR 27:15. If you can't continue drives, you can't score points. We beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame, NOT JUST the kicker. The return game was kind of our only bright spot. Moore's return in the 1st quarter set us up for an easy 6 yard drive to score.
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09-26-2010, 04:49 PM	#59
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by pherein so seriously Danno, are we N.E. and letting go a vinatieri go? I know it hurts, and hes messing up, but that the answer. I hate hartley today, because we won easy, and SP made the write call and we lost. in 2009 vinatieri got colts into the SB, this the road we want to take? I'm not for cutting him. There isn't much better available. I'm simply against taking the ball out of Drews hands on 1st down and giving the ball to a kicker who's 3-5 for the year. If it was 4th down, or probably 3rd, I'd have given it to Hartley, but not 1st down.

09-26-2010, 04:49 PM	#60
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,205 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by Saint_LB Weren't you a kicker...why not you? Hate to say it but lil chip shots like that, even old folks and girls can make those