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SaintPauly 10-03-2010 12:52 PM

jenkins
 
Yeah..... jenkins.... looks great.... when does sharper get back again?

Turbo Saint 10-03-2010 01:13 PM

aside from that one play he bit on for the TD...i don't see a problem....?

Danno 10-03-2010 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbo Saint (Post 251511)
aside from that one play he bit on for the TD...i don't see a problem....?

Agreed. He looks pretty good so far.

SaintPauly 10-03-2010 03:20 PM

One td, that could have cost us the game? Yeah....

|Mitch| 10-03-2010 03:24 PM

He's been pretty solid except a coverage issue, here and there.

I remember U. Young giving up a TD in the Super Bowl that could have lost us that BIG game. I didn't see anyone criticizing him when he made that BIG stop on 3rd down on that last drive...

He misses that tackle, they get the first and potentially get in range to kick a FG to win

st thomas 10-03-2010 03:24 PM

he likes to hit

Crusader 10-03-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 251518)
One td, that could have cost us the game? Yeah....

He also makes the sack to help us win the game.

st thomas 10-03-2010 03:35 PM

its just solid playing time for him.

SaintPauly 10-03-2010 03:47 PM

Guys.... seriously.... he left greer out to dry on that play.... as a safety, that is one of the simplest plays to read.... greer's job is to watch the run on that, with confidence that jenkins picks up the reciever.... 2nd year? He should have known that.... sharper would have had it covered....

saintfan 10-03-2010 03:50 PM

We will talk all week about the defense, and rightfully so, but thank all that is holy for Carney, cause we - our high-powered super bowl winning juggernaut of an offense - managed ONE EFFIN touchdown today. ONE?

Look, we all know our D is more or less poo. The ingredient is to score and to score often. We're playing more like LSU than an pro team on offense. If that doesn't change...and soon...we'll be looking ahead to next year.

dizzle88 10-03-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 251534)
Guys.... seriously.... he left greer out to dry on that play.... as a safety, that is one of the simplest plays to read.... greer's job is to watch the run on that, with confidence that jenkins picks up the reciever.... 2nd year? He should have known that.... sharper would have had it covered....

Ok fair enough sharper would have known that, only thing is, sharper has 10 years more experience than jenkins. Yes it would be great to have our hall of fame safety back there, but it is what it is, Sharper was not ready to go, Jenkins was, He's the future and hes gotta gain experience, It's a learning curve, just be grateful that Jenkins has enough wit about him and thats really the only mental mistake he has made.
He got the sack that set up the win, hes got work to do, but he'll be great.

SaintPauly 10-03-2010 04:11 PM

What he said ..... jenkins is very athletic, and yes,, he can hit. But he has been burned, and double moved out of position so many times this season, its just not acceptable anymore. He isn't close, to one quarter the player sharper is. I just feel that some of us are letting our off season judgements of sharpers contractual actions, dilute honest evaluations of jenkins' performance on the field. He is NOT ready to take over at FS.

SaintFanInATLHELL 10-03-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 251551)
What he said ..... jenkins is very athletic, and yes,, he can hit. But he has been burned, and double moved out of position so many times this season, its just not acceptable anymore. He isn't close, to one quarter the player sharper is. I just feel that some of us are letting our off season judgements of sharpers contractual actions, dilute honest evaluations of jenkins' performance on the field. He is NOT ready to take over at FS.

Isn't this really a moot point? Sharper was not ready to play at the beginning of the season and is on the PUP list. He's not available until after week 6.

Jenkins isn't perfect. He makes mistakes. But this is his first year at Safety. Not his 15th like Sharper.

The defense has not yet cost us a game. The offense? Yes. The kicking game? Yes. The defense has been doing an admirable job considering the injuries and the lack of production from the other aspects of the Saints game at the current time.

Time to put on the rose colored glasses. The Saints schedule has a soft middle. 4 of the next 6 games are against teams with losing records. Injured players will be coming back online. Carney has stabilized the kicking game for now. We are 3-1 playing very uninspired football. Just grinding.

Jenkins is the least of the Saints worries.

SFIAH

SaintPauly 10-03-2010 04:40 PM

I'm just basing my judgements on a player's performance, NOT his so called potential. Many people in here were claiming jenkins was beyond ready to take over for sharper because of his financial demands, in the off season. Once again based on jenkins PERFORMANCE NOT POTENTIAL, it is clear to stevie wonder himself, that malcom isn't ready for one of, if not the most important secondary roles. Thus the NAME of the thread. Thought that would tip u off.....

Cruize 10-03-2010 04:53 PM

You can't allow guys to run free behind you. Greer just let him go and was guarding turf. I understand zone. But, even if you're expecting help, you can't just let a guy run free.

jnormand 10-03-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 251558)
I'm just basing my judgements on a player's performance, NOT his so called potential. Many people in here were claiming jenkins was beyond ready to take over for sharper because of his financial demands, in the off season. Once again based on jenkins PERFORMANCE NOT POTENTIAL, it is clear to stevie wonder himself, that malcom isn't ready for one of, if not the most important secondary roles. Thus the NAME of the thread. Thought that would tip u off.....

Personally I would rather have Sharper back there right now just because he is better than MJ and is more of a playmaker. He's a good leader and makes great reads. Problem is that Sharper won't be back for a couple weeks and we need a Safety.

Do I think MJ is better? No. Is he the only real option we have? Yes.

Another year playing behind Sharper will benefit MJ, but so will the playing time MJ is getting until Sharper returns.

B_Dub_Saint 10-03-2010 06:24 PM

Hes doin what he needs to do why Sharp is out. He was hitting hard today.

Danno 10-03-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 251557)
Isn't this really a moot point? Sharper was not ready to play at the beginning of the season and is on the PUP list. He's not available until after week 6.

Jenkins isn't perfect. He makes mistakes. But this is his first year at Safety. Not his 15th like Sharper.

The defense has not yet cost us a game. The offense? Yes. The kicking game? Yes. The defense has been doing an admirable job considering the injuries and the lack of production from the other aspects of the Saints game at the current time.

Time to put on the rose colored glasses. The Saints schedule has a soft middle. 4 of the next 6 games are against teams with losing records. Injured players will be coming back online. Carney has stabilized the kicking game for now. We are 3-1 playing very uninspired football. Just grinding.

Jenkins is the least of the Saints worries.

SFIAH

In fact, I'd say he was a bright spot so far. Compared to our D-line, LB's and some pretty mediocre play from our stud CBs, I'd say Jenkins is a very valuable player to this team.

Sharper had several bad games last year. He was far from perfect, and no one knows if he's lost yet another step because of his knee surgery.

Cruize 10-03-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 251578)
Sharper had several bad games last year.

He wasn't perfect but I wouldn't say any of his games were bad. Not even close. I personally thought he should have won the defensive MVP.

manadrew 10-03-2010 07:06 PM

The guy was playing with our 4th string SS on the other side. Has to stay back and can't be aggressive. Made what appeared to be a mistake in coverage, but we do not know what the assignment was. Maybe he was supposed to jump the TE.

winmill1 10-03-2010 08:06 PM

have we ever thought about putting jenkins at SS and Sharper at FS instead of Harper at SS. Jenkins is so aggressive and doesn't like coverage schemes, then put him somewhere that he can hit. I dunno makes sense to me.

QBREES9 10-03-2010 09:03 PM

He's getting better and better every week. We have a lot of people banged up.

DrewDat 10-03-2010 09:12 PM

He Also Left Greer Out To Dry Last Week....Its Really Making Greer Who I Truly Believe Is One Of The Best Shutdown Corners In The League Look Average Because He(Jenkins) Keeps Blowing Assignments...It Looks Like He Has Joy In Hitting Guys....And If Thats The Case Lets Put Him At Strong Safety....Because Pass Coverage Is No Good For Him

SaintFanInATLHELL 10-03-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 251558)
I'm just basing my judgements on a player's performance, NOT his so called potential. Many people in here were claiming jenkins was beyond ready to take over for sharper because of his financial demands, in the off season. Once again based on jenkins PERFORMANCE NOT POTENTIAL, it is clear to stevie wonder himself, that malcom isn't ready for one of, if not the most important secondary roles. Thus the NAME of the thread. Thought that would tip u off.....

The name of the thread is Jenkins. Doesn't really convey enough information to tip off anything.

I reiterate, it doesn't matter at this point if Jenkins is ready or not. He's all we have. We only had one healthy safety at the end of the game today. Guess who it was? He also made a crucial play on the last drive of the game along with Young (who was listed on the injury report IIRC, thus is not healthy).

The defense held Carolina to 14 points. There's really nothing to complain about, except for the decided lack of turnovers.

SFIAH

SaintPauly 10-03-2010 11:16 PM

Listen, I am well aware that Sharper is hurt, along with every other safety with the exception Jenkins. I know this. Stating MY OPINION mind you, I don't think that Jenkins is on Sharper's level, which some people here have said before. Jenkins seems lost when it comes to pass coverage. Someone said this before, and I agree, he looks like a CB playing safety...

You guys know we don't always have to agree on here right? :)

CashAndFlash 10-03-2010 11:20 PM

I'm still new here, so I'll refrain from posting my thoughts on this, and just ask you, what is that picture of Ferrell from? I'm really not much of a fan of his, but that looks hilarious...

st thomas 10-03-2010 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 251536)
We will talk all week about the defense, and rightfully so, but thank all that is holy for Carney, cause we - our high-powered super bowl winning juggernaut of an offense - managed ONE EFFIN touchdown today. ONE?

Look, we all know our D is more or less poo. The ingredient is to score and to score often. We're playing more like LSU than an pro team on offense. If that doesn't change...and soon...we'll be looking ahead to next year.

it shows how bad it really is without the turnovers

st thomas 10-03-2010 11:34 PM

watching replay jenkins missed a sure tackle on dang, williams on td. he tried a failed horse collar when he should have cut his feet out from him for a sure tackle. he should have made that tackle and saved that t.d. you guys tell me different when u see it.

SaintPauly 10-03-2010 11:38 PM

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinions on Jenkins here. I was sitting at the bar when I started this thread, aproximately one minute after said play. He does good things, but to me, mistakes that give up points are the worst mistakes to make. I will take a first down, over seven points anyday. Anyway, IMO, I agree experience will improve that, but he's given up a few of these plays this year. Not to mention Greer was right in front of him, when the receiver ran right past him.

SaintPauly 10-03-2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CashAndFlash (Post 251705)
I'm still new here, so I'll refrain from posting my thoughts on this, and just ask you, what is that picture of Ferrell from? I'm really not much of a fan of his, but that looks hilarious...

I don't know. A friend of mine had this picture on his myspace a long time ago, and I thought it looked hella funny.

SaintPauly 10-04-2010 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 251722)
Sp can i tell you something and you not take it the wrong way?

?????

SaintPauly 10-04-2010 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 251731)
When you go on a rant ..i look at that avatar and it fits your rant...lol....sorry brah...just think its funny

Hahaha.... Why would I take that the wrong way? It's all good.

SaintPauly 10-04-2010 12:14 AM

I knew today's game would be close. I don't remember how long it has been since there was a blow out between these two teams. Division games are always tough. Jenkins wasn't the only one who made mistakes today, by far, but I only had time for one thread....

TheOak 10-04-2010 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 251518)
One td, that could have cost us the game? Yeah....

I agree. You can not ignore the BIG PROBLEM and say aside from the BIG PROBLEM he did fine..... The big plays are what kills us. Big 3rd down plays, it was Big plays that hurt us against SF also.... No one has moved the ball efficiently into the red zone and scored on us consistently... We keep giving up the big plays and well.. the ball in the last two games.



If it were not for those people he ate, Dahmer was a good guy.

darstep 10-04-2010 09:24 AM

I think Jenkins has done a pretty good job. That play was definitely blown coverage. Who blew it? Jenkins or Greer? What ever made Jenkins bite, would Sharper have also bit? Who knows. How much slower will Sharper be when he does come back? Our defense will look a whole lot better when the offense gets back in gear. When teams start having to play catch-up and start taking more chances, our defense will look all-pro once again. Jenkins will be fine. He, Greer, and Williams have already worked that thing out.

SaintPauly 10-05-2010 02:48 AM

I will say, that if not for the defense's abilities, we would be 0-4 right now. They have stepped up, when they needed too.


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