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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; What would you have to see for the remainder of the season for Haslet to keep his job? For me, we'd have to at least split with Tampa Bay and win every other game save one. That'd put us at ...

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Old 10-27-2003, 07:50 PM   #1
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What would you have to see for the remainder of the season for Haslet to keep his job?

For me, we'd have to at least split with Tampa Bay and win every other game save one. That'd put us at 9-7. I'd want to see consistency and accountabilty on offense and steady improvements on the basic aspects of defense (ie. tackling).

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Old 10-27-2003, 08:04 PM   #2
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An offense that averaged 25+ points a game from here on out, a defense that ranked in the top 10 in rushing yards allowed and points allowed and generated an average of at least one turnover from here on out, and a trip to the playoffs. Otherwise, buh-bye.

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Old 10-27-2003, 10:21 PM   #3
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Haslett was a defensive coordinator .

In my opinion , a head coach should bring to the team the excellence of his previous experience .Gruden brought offense experience to the defensive Bucs and made them complete , Dungy brought defense experience to the Colts and made them better there .

Bare minimum Haslett has had 3 years to build a defense that ranks consistently in the top 10 . If the New Orleans Saints defense finishes in the top 5 , he warrants another look .

A man should master his own field of endeavor before he is allowed to control another .

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Old 10-28-2003, 06:10 AM   #4
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So a strong finish (6-2, 7-1) a no playoff appearance means Haslet should be gone?

I\'d be willing to let him stay IF the defense showed marked improvement (ends year in the top ten) and the offense starts living up to its potential. I\'d also like to see Haslet show some leadership. Maybe bench some guys who aren\'t performing or at least call them out.
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If things go according to plan you should see steady improvement by a team each year and in about the 4th year, your team should be in the super bowl. Here\'s a couple of examples where it worked to perfection.

Jimmy Johnson
| 1989 dal | 1 15 0 | 0 0 |
| 1990 dal | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
| 1991 dal | 11 5 0 | 1 1 |
| 1992 dal | 13 3 0 | 3 0 |
Mike Shanahan
Head Coach
| 1995 den | 8 8 0 | 0 0 |
| 1996 den | 13 3 0 | 0 1 |
| 1997 den | 12 4 0 | 4 0 |
| 1998 den | 14 2 0 | 3 0 |

But coaching isn\'t the only thing that goes into getting to the Super Bowl. Just look at what Jimmy Johnson did after coming back to coach the Miami Dolphins. Also if you look at Mike Shanahan\'s next four years after the last Super Bowl, you will see that the 4-year plan isn\'t woking this time around.

Jimmy Johnson --
1996 mia | 8 8 0 | 0 0 |
| 1997 mia | 9 7 0 | 0 1 |
| 1998 mia | 10 6 0 | 1 1 |
| 1999 mia | 9 7 0 | 1 1 |
Mike Shanahan --
| 1999 den | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 2000 den | 11 5 0 | 0 1 |
| 2001 den | 8 8 0 | 0 0 |
| 2002 den | 9 7 0 | 0 0
Why is it that these coaches couldn\'t acheive the same results the 2nd time around? I don\'t have those answers, but it can\'t be because they aren\'t good coaches. If you are going to base whether or not to fire coaches on winning and losing only, then you would be calling for Shanahan to be fired. Samething if you were a Dolphin fan when Jimmy Johnson was there.

Now, whether or not Haslett should be fired -- I don\'t know-- But, just looking at Jimmy Johnson and Mike Shanahan records, I can see that it\'s more than just coaching that\'s responsible for winning.








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Old 10-28-2003, 07:43 AM   #6
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When you win the big game, as Shanahan and Johnson have both done, you are given more leverage and time. Had Shanahan not won the Super Bowl for the Broncos, I doubt he would be there now, unless he\'s a tremendous con-man.

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Old 10-28-2003, 08:37 AM   #7
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Here\'s my question. If everybody\'s saying that if the offense plays like they should and the defense gets better, then Haslett should be given another chance. Ok, the defense we all know has an excuse, injuries. So what excuse do we use for keeping him when the offense has played far below expectations so far this year. Sure we can blame it all on McCarthy but Haslett is the Head Coach, isn\'t he responsible too? I too am disappointed in the defensive side of the ball. Haslett was a defensive player and a pretty good one at that. He was a defensive coach, so why is our defense so bad after 3 years?

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!!

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Old 10-28-2003, 08:41 AM   #8
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BEAT agrees with Joe.
The official BEAT policy is that Jim Haslett is holding Brooks back.
BEAT also maintains that Jim Haslett doesn\'t know diddly-poo about being a head coach or improving a defense.
BEAT also thinks Haslett lacks the people skills needed to keep a team focused for an entire season.
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Old 10-28-2003, 09:19 AM   #9
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Joesam :
Ok, the defense we all know has an excuse, injuries.

Nope , that is called depth . That is where a coach , coaches and makes a player better .It is called competition at the position , which is what you want . It is called good judgement for bringing in competeitive players .

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Joesam :
Ok, the defense we all know has an excuse, injuries.
Nope , that is called depth . That is where a coach , coaches and makes a player better .It is called competition at the position , which is what you want . It is called good judgement for bringing in competeitive players .
UNBELIEVABLE,
In the era of free agency its impossible to have quality back-ups at every position.
IMPOSSIBLE. Hell its hard just to get quality starters at every position.
When you lose SIX starters on one side of the ball, I don\'t care how good your coach is or how good you draft, you are gonna suffer. We suffered big time.

Everybody is kissing Bill Belichek\'s butt because he\'s done such a great job while having lost several starters on both sides of the ball.

BUT HE DIDN\'T LOSE 1/2 HIS FREAKING STARTERS ON ONE SIDE OF THE BALL!!!!!!!

If its no excuse, why is everyone falling over themselves kissing his butt for the awesome job he\'s done?

Gee, has anyone noticed that as we\'re getting starters back our defense slowly seems to be improving?

Well golly gee fiicking whizzz! SHAZAM!!!!

I guess thats just a coincidence.

Mike Shannahan must also SUCK since his team is now struggling. Forget that he has to use Danny Kannell. He should be able to coach him into a quality QB.

Dan Reeves-What a loser. He sucks as a coach since the Johnson/Kitner combo has looked so poor. Why does everyone blame the loss of Vick for their problems?

Whether we agree or disagree; its all for Him.
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