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WhoDat 11-03-2003 07:37 PM

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Needless to say, if we're sitting at 5-4 right now then we're one game out of the wildcard and looking good. Of course, that's not the case. It's going to be tough guys. Here's how it looks now:

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Dallas 6-2
Minnesota 6-2
Carolina 6-2
Seattle 6-2

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Philly 5-3
St Louis 5-3
NYG 4-4
Green Bay 4-4
Tampa 4-4
New Orleans 4-5
San Fran 4-5


Here's what we need to see this week:

Carolina over Tampa
Baltimore over St Louis
Atlanta over NYG
Green Bay over Philly
Buffalo over Dallas
San Diego over Minnesota
Seattle over Washington

If that all happens, here's how it will look after this week:

Division Leaders
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Carolina 7-2
Seattle 7-2
Dallas 6-3
Minnesota 6-3

Wild Card
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Philly 5-4
Green Bay 5-4
St Louis 5-4
New Orleans 4-5
Tampa 4-5
San Fran 4-5
NYG 4-5
Washington 3-6

Not all of this will happen. It's hard to believe that Atlanta will beat the Giants. The real important games are Carolina over Tampa, Baltimore over St Louis, and Green Bay over Philly. If St Louis and Philadelphia make it to 6-3, it's hard to believe we'll have a shot. Both are in races for their division and they're going to keep winning. I dunno guys. That Carolina game may have been the straw that broke us. This hole may be a bit too big to climb out of.

whowatches 11-03-2003 07:43 PM

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Thanks for the post. All that math makes my head hurt. I\'m gonna print your list so I know who to root for this weekend.

I\'m really worried about our game against Philly. I have a feeling they\'ve lost all the games they\'re gonna lose this year. The Giants are also looking scary.

Dallas looks more beatable every week.

WhoDat 11-03-2003 07:49 PM

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The real problem is that the Rams and Packers are both playing like they\'re playoff teams. A few weeks ago I thought 8-8 might even make the playoffs. Now I\'m thinking 10-6 may not be good enough. The Saints could go 9-7 and be two games out of it. If Philly stays strong, then we need Dallas to crash and burn. Then St Louis, Green Bay, and/or Carolina need to fall apart also.

WhoDat 11-03-2003 08:22 PM

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Spin it however you\'d like, but all I know is that St Louis has won four of their last five games. Yeah, they self-destructed pretty good last week, but that was against a division rival. If the Saints have taught you anything it should be that you can always lose big to a division rival no matter how bad that team may be.

Green Bay has lost twice in the last five weeks. Once to KC and once to the Rams. Those are good teams. They also beat Minnesota and Seattle. Those are division leaders. Yeah, those teams are playing good football right now - which is why they have as many wins as we have losses.

rich006 11-03-2003 09:10 PM

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I think 3rdNLong is right. Our best shot is winning the division. There are too many good teams out there that are starting to come together about now-- SF has had two dominant performances in the last three weeks over strong opponents (TB and STL), the Giants have won 2 in a row, and I agree that the Packers look OK, at least compared to the Saints. I mean their offense is very similar in a lot of ways, but with better leadership in Favre, while their defense is no more suspect than ours. They have at least as good a chance to get a Wild Card spot as we do. The Eagles have a really tough schedule, but they seem to be pulling together lately. The wild card race is going to go down to the wire.

Meanwhile, Carolina has looked very beatable lately. Remember how they started 3-0 last year and then disappeared for the next two months? I\'m not saying that\'s going to happen again, but it seems just as likely as the scenario where all the pieces fit together and the Saints squeak into the wild card. As unlikely as it sounds, I believe it\'s possible we can win 3 more games than Carolina out of the last 7 (assuming they lose next week). Baseless optimism? Yes, but that\'s what you need if you\'re a Saints fan. :)

Either way (winning the division or getting a wild card spot), we need to go 6-1 in the last 7 games to have a decent chance of getting to the playoffs. 5-2 will be a crap shoot.

I\'m rooting for Tampa next week. If nothing else, we at least can win the tie-breaker against them if it comes down to that. Go Saints!

WhoDat 11-04-2003 10:33 AM

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Rooting for Tampa is a bad idea. Sorry, but there is NO WAY the Saints are going to win the division. Carolina is 6-2, and with two wins over the Saints they are FOUR games ahead of us. Sorry guys, but if the Saints go undefeated the rest of the season I don\'t think they can pick up four games on Carolina. If the Saints go UNDEFEATED the rest of this season Carolina would still have to go 4-4 for the Saints to beat them out. We all know that the Saints are not going to win their next seven straight. They MAY be able to go 5-2 and end up 9-7, but that means that Carolina will have to go 2-6 in the second half of the season. That ain\'t happening. I want the Saints to go to the playoffs. I\'m doubtful about it happening, but I at least want to root for realistic scenarios. Expecting Carolina to just tank, well, they\'d have to have a WORSE second half of the season this year than the Saints had last year for us to make it at 9-7. Sorry, there\'s just no way.

ScottyRo 11-04-2003 12:13 PM

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The other issue is that if the refs hadn\'t gotten all those calls wrong against us, the Panthers would have lost 3 in a row now and their confidence would surely be shaken to the core. Add in the fact that they shouldn\'t have beaten the Bucs earlier this year and they barley escaped losing to Indy (wasn\'t there a bad call there too?), and I see a team about to fall apart.

I would prefer the Bucs winning because we\'d need only 3 wins to the Panthers 3 losses to get ahead of them. The Panthers would be reeling having lost 3 of 4 (one of which was GIVEN to them).

On the other side, the Bucs would only be a game ahead of us and I feel like we can make that up when we play them at the dome.

Our best shot to make the playoffs is by being division leader. Had teams like the Giants and the Packers to lose last week I\'d feel better about our chances for a wild card.

Let\'s hope Seattle, Dallas, Minnesota and all the AFC teams win every week the rest of the way. (I know it\'s not possible, but we that\'s what we need.)

saintfan 11-04-2003 12:48 PM

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Sorry Whodat, but they\'re right. NOT \"FOUR\" games, but 2 and the tie breaker, and I\'ll tell ya, If the ball stops bouncing their way (and you have to admit it has) they are a VERY beatable team. ANYbody can beat Carolina, and if something were to happen to Stephen Davis (really their only weapon) they\'re screwed blue.

Makin the playoffs is a reach, and winning the division is an even bigger reach, but this is the NFL and anything can, and often does, happen. The fat lady isn\'t even warming up!

WhoDat 11-04-2003 01:42 PM

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OK guys, I\'ll make this as simple as possible. Right now today the Saints are 3.5 games out of first place in the division. The math is really quite simple. If Carolina wins on Sunday, then they will be 7-2. The Saints would have to win four games (making them 8-5), and Carolina would have to lose four games (making them 7-6) for the Saints to be in first place in the division. If Carolina loses on Sunday then they will be 6-3 and three full games ahead of the Saints. So, if you\'re thinking that the Saints can win this division then they are 3.5 games out right now, with 7 games to play.

It appears to me that the wishful thinking is coming back to this board. Carolina will collapse, Tampa won\'t ever get it in gear (even though they\'ve played exactly like they are now and kicked it into high gear in November and December every year for the last five except last year when they had it together all season long), and most importantly, the Saints will go 5-2 or better in their next seven.

OK guys. You all root for Tampa. Let me put it to you this way - anybody want to place a bet that the Saints will win this division? I\'ve got plenty of money to put up on that one.

ScottyRo 11-04-2003 02:17 PM

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You\'re right, WhoDat. I have since looked at the Panthers\' schedule the rest of the way and am less optimistic about their suffering a collapse. So? Back to your original plan, I guess. The rest of the way I\'ll be rooting for the division leaders and the AFC!

ScottyRo 11-04-2003 02:30 PM

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Don\'t get me wrong. I\'m very optimistic about the Saints these days. They\'ve been fun to watch the last three weeks even while losing to Carolina because they\'ve played with heart and looked fairly good as a team.

They still need improvement, but at least now I see a fighting chance for the playoffs!

WhoDat 11-04-2003 02:37 PM

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Why is realism construed as pessimism on this site? Who here honestly thinks that the Saints can go 5-2 or better while the Panthers go 2-6? That\'s pessimistic? What\'s optimism then? The Saints go 7-0 and the league decides to give them back the Carolina game so they actually end up 12-4 while Carolina and Tampa lose every game they have left, except the one this weekend - they tie. Ridiculous.

How about this one? Don\'t let an optimist get you up. If they\'re right they\'ll just say that they told you so and that they\'re a better fan for keeping the faith, and if they\'re wrong they\'ll just make themselves out as martyrs and ask forgiveness for believing in the team they \"love\".

There is nothing wrong with being real people.

saintfan 11-04-2003 02:42 PM

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What does it take to imagine a one dimensional team who should be on a three game losing streak already tankin\' it in the last half of the season? Is it likely? Better stated, is it any more likely to happen than not to happen? I\'m sorry Whodat, but when we don\'t have enough games left to win the devision then I\'ll start praying for the Wildcard if thats ok. I realize making the playoffs is a stretch at this point considering how the team has played up to now, but stranger things have happened ya know?

Can anyone tell me they honestly thought the Cowboys would be 6-2...or Carolina for that matter? How about the Bucs bein 1-3 at home this year, or Kansas stinkin City bein\' undefeated, or the Raiders playing as poorly as they are, or the Garcia-less 49ers whippin the Rams last Sunday with a Rookie backup in a passing oriented offense. My point is if ya don\'t think there are any more surprises left with half a season to go then you haven\'t been watchin\' too much football. This ain\'t 1977 anymore folks, ANYTHING can happen, and as long as there\'s hope I think I\'ll have me some. I\'ll save you some too whodat, cause the wind might change direction (and your opinion) yet again this year!

:P

[Edited on 4/11/2003 by saintfan]

saintfan 11-04-2003 02:48 PM

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Damn Whodat, 3rdNlong looked you up in the freakin dictionary bro. That\'s more accurate than astrological traits! UN-Freakin-Canny 3rdNlong! Absolutely amazing!

LOL

:P

WhoDat 11-04-2003 02:53 PM

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Hey man, we\'re still on track for 8-8, so I think I\'m right on. What\'s amazing is that this whole thread, which was started by me mind you, is about the Saints making the playoffs. That\'s some pretty optimistic thinking from such a \"pessimist\" isn\'t it Saintfan?

I tried to layout what I thought needed to happen this week to help the Saints make the playoffs, something I think they CAN do. And what happens? I get blasted for not thinking they can win the division! WHAT?!?! If I had said that they can win the division would you and others be blasting me for not thinking they can win the NFC Championship? My lord.

You\'re right, this is a crazy season. But let\'s not forget when the Saints tanked last season, when they lost to teams like the Bengals, Panthers, Browns, and Vikings we still managed to win 3 games. If Carolina wins three games they\'ll be 9-7. That means we have to go 6-1 to win the division. Excuse me for being a little skeptical.

Let me just throw another interesting tidbit out there. In the history of the NFL, only five teams have EVER started 6-2 and not made the playoffs. The New Orleans Saints were team five last season. The odds of Carolina tanking enough to throw this division race are not good. Further, while I think the Saints will have a much better second half of the season, 5-2 is asking a lot against at least four teams fighting for a playoff spot with records as good or better than ours - especially considering our record in December the last couple of years.

[Edited on 4/11/2003 by WhoDat]

saintfan 11-04-2003 03:07 PM

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Yeah, but you could at least be POSITIVE about the chances for once in your dang life man. Go ahead Whodat and say it with me...\"The Saints WILL make the Playoffs\"...felt good didn\'t it? Say it again. See, after a while you forget all about the 08 Kool-Aid. Now, say it one more time. ahhhhh, yes, what a great feelin\'! If they don\'t make the playoffs, nobody in here will hold it against you Whodat. Let go Whodat. Trust your feelings. FEEL the force baby!

WhoDat 11-04-2003 03:15 PM

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But I don\'t think that they WILL make the playoffs at this point. I think that they CAN. No one will hold it against you either Saintfan if you admit that at 4-5, the odds are stacked against the Saints in terms of a playoff run.

rich006 11-04-2003 03:19 PM

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If Carolina wins this weekend, I think we can forget about winning the division and concentrate our hopes on the wildcard. However, if they lose, then we are only 2 games behind them with 7 to go. Taking into account the tie-breaker they hold, that means if we go 5-2 while they go 2-5, we can beat them for the division title. All I\'m saying is that seems as likely as getting a wild card spot for this reason: it\'s as likely that Carolina will suffer an utter collapse as it is likely that everything falls into place for the Saints to get a wild card spot.

If you want to be realistic (i.e. agree with the so-called experts), Tampa is probably going to win the division and the Saints probably won\'t make the playoffs at all, but who wants to be realistic? :)

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- 11-04-2003 03:24 PM

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I\'m of the opinion that we are as about as hot as any team in football right now. Won 3 out of 4 and got robbed against the Panthers. Call it like you see it, but I see the Panthers as a very overrated team and the Bucs simply are not the same team this year. Don\'t forget, Darren Howard (our best pass rusher) and Sedrick Hodge will be back. Charles Grant on one side and Darren Howard on the other. I like it.

saintfan 11-04-2003 03:30 PM

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I aleady HAVE admited the odds are stacked against \'em, but I\'m POSITIVE Whodat. I\'m beggin you to try it man, it\'s MUCH better than 08\'s Kool-Aid, but don\'t take my word for it. Ask around and you\'ll see.

JOESAM2002 11-04-2003 03:35 PM

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Negitive/Realists tend to be the type of person who likes to play it safe. These people aren\'t willing to be positve about much. They are the \"Show Me\" type of person who needs proof. These folks never really put themselves into a position to be proved wrong, because they like to fall under the \"Realist\" catogory.
I think that would be describing me. I\'m a show mw kinda guy after all these years. Something about being a fan of this team since 1967 does that to you. :P

saintfan 11-04-2003 03:41 PM

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C-H-IC-K-E-N-S

this place is FULL of \'em. ...should be called hen house dot net...

:P

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- 11-04-2003 03:44 PM

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Just curious. Was anyone in here calling for coaches and players to be cut or fired? I\'m sure that didn\'t happen here, but I have seen some fans do that when a team didn\'t start the season out like they wanted.

WhoDat 11-04-2003 04:27 PM

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Is this sarcasm from the Rook?

If the Saints don\'t make the playoffs then Haslett should be fired. (And it doesn\'t matter to me if they miss by an inch or a mile). I am REALISTIC enough to know that if this team finishes 8-8 that probably won\'t happen. Haslett will be given another year and another chance.

I\'ll tell you what Saintfan. You say come out and say that the Saints WON\'T make the playoffs, then I\'ll come out and say that they will. Otherwise, leave an old man alone. I\'m just trying to let you guys know where we stand. If you clowns want to root for Tampa, go right ahead. Hope for the Bucs to push us farther out of the playoff picture.

saintfan 11-04-2003 04:39 PM

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You\'re an old man too Whodat? I thought 08 was the only one, but there was another all this time...well well well...

That explains a lot! I will only go so far as to say the Saints have a difficult road ahead if they are to make the playoffs, but I can\'t say they won\'t. I will not...not as long as there is hope...it springs eternal didn\'t ya know Whodat?

C\'mon man...get off the Kool-Aid and try the Positive point of view for a few games.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- 11-04-2003 04:41 PM

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I think the job Haslett has done since the 1-4 start has been outstanding. I understand the collapses and everything else. But, the way he has rallied this team has impressed me. If you want another coach, I can understand that. I\'ll wait and see what happens.

As far as the playoffs go............. I strongly believe that we are capiable of winning ALL of our games. You might say that isn\'t realistic and maybe it\'s not, but there is not a team on our schedule that you can realistically tell me we don\'t have a realistic chance at beating. Just keep this in mind. There will be a team that has a losing record that will make it to the playoffs. Realistically speaking. Why not us. Why not believe. Strange things happen after the break. Sometimes good and sometimes bad. With Darren Howard and some other injuried players coming back -- I\'m feeling good about it. If you were coach of another team -- Would you want to face the Saints if your playoff life depended on it?

saintfan 11-04-2003 04:44 PM

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I like the \"new\" guys avatar!

;)

WhoDat 11-04-2003 04:59 PM

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Man, the Rook is as crazy as this one guy I remember who used to post here. He got booted though. Watch out Rook, you don\'t want the same to happen to you! ;) LOL

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Would you want to face the Saints if your playoff life depended on it?
Not at all. But saying we\'re dangerous, hell saying we\'ve got a shot at a wild card, and scoffing b/c I\'m not printing my New Orleans Saints 2003 NFC South Championship shirts are different things.

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You might say that isn\'t realistic and maybe it\'s not, but there is not a team on our schedule that you can realistically tell me we don\'t have a realistic chance at beating.
Again, damn right. We CAN beat everyone left on our schedule. But I don\'t think there is a team this year that we\'ve played that we COULDN\'T have beaten. Obviously, some people on this board have forgotten why the Saints official motto is \'Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda\'.

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There will be a team that has a losing record that will make it to the playoffs. Realistically speaking.
If 08 is selling Kool-Aid, then this \"new\" guy is peddling Tang. Are you nuts? So you\'re telling me that only ONE of these teams is going to be better than 8-8?

Philly 5-3
St Louis 5-3
NYG 4-4
Green Bay 4-4
Tampa 4-4
New Orleans 4-5
San Fran 4-5

Pass the Tang man, b/c I\'m failing to see the logic or even wishful thinking that goes behind saying that between Philly, St Louis, the Giants, Green Bay, Tampa, San Fran, and the Saints, only ONE of those teams will have a winning season. Oh, that\'s the same logic that says that the 6-2 Panthers are going to end up 6-10 and the 4-5 Saints are going to end up 11-5. <takes another sip of the Tang> Makes sense to me.

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C\'mon man...get off the Kool-Aid and try the Positive point of view for a few games.
Everyone here knows that I aim to please (hehehe), so for Saintfan\'s pleasure, I guarantee that the Saints will not lose this week! ;) LOL. Hey man, I might even guarantee a win next week. Just pass the Tang and I\'ll promise a Super Bowl victory for the next ten years running with McCarthy as head coach and Venturi at runningback.

saintfan 11-04-2003 05:02 PM

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Quick, somebody give that old man another shot of TANG will ya?

:P

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- 11-04-2003 05:05 PM

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Ok. Alright. But, if the Saints can go 5-1 in to close out the season. We will be 10-6. I think 10-6 WILL make it. Are you forgetting we play most of those teams? No tang here. Just some good ole fashioned faith in this team. I think you predicted a loss against the Bucs too?

WhoDat 11-04-2003 05:12 PM

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Yes I did, but I predicted a win against Carolina, so those two clearly cancel each other out! LOL!

5-1 would make us 9-6 with a game to go Mr. Wizard. ;) LOL. I like this Rookie. He\'s not too bad. <sips the Tang> He\'s the best poster on this board. <another sip> I think he should be the moderator. <sip, sip> Is he my dad?

LOL. Just messin\' with ya Bill... er... Rook. Good to have you back... er.... welcome. Man, this Tang sure Fs you up quickly. ;)


(In reality, the Kid is right. At least the Saints have some control over their destiny. They get to face potential playoff teams in Philly, NYG, the Bucs, and Dallas. I don\'t know if I\'d go so far to say that they control their destiny, but those game will help if the Saints, <sips the Tang> make that the 2003 NFC South Champion Saints, can pick up wins against other playoff contenders)

ScottyRo 11-04-2003 05:38 PM

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Philly 5-3
St Louis 5-3
NYG 4-4
Green Bay 4-4
Tampa 4-4
New Orleans 4-5
San Fran 4-5


Here\'s what we need to see this week:

Carolina over Tampa
Baltimore over St Louis
Atlanta over NYG
Green Bay over Philly
Buffalo over Dallas
San Diego over Minnesota
Seattle over Washington
Why not Philly over Green Bay? My way of think is that we want the teams closest to the Saints\' record to lose and teams with worse records than the Saints to win as long as that doesn\'t move them into a tie with them (Of course, choose AFC over NFC everytime).

I can see where that would put Philly two games ahead, but there is time to catch them and that puts the Saints in a safer position of being tied with teams that are currently ahead such as Green Bay. Plus we get a shot at a tie breaker this year against Philly and not GB. As long as we win that should help.

WhoDat 11-04-2003 09:05 PM

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My thinking is that if Philly loses then both GB and Phi will be 5-4. If Philly wins, then we\'ve got to catch someone in the wild card race who is 6-3. I don\'t know if the Saints can do that. But if the best wild card team is 5-4, we\'ve got a decent shot at it.

nocloning 11-05-2003 05:45 AM

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First of all: I still think you\'ll have more fun just taking it week-by-week. Beat Atlanta to go to .500 and work from there.
I\'d like to see:

Carolina over Tampa (we will not catch Carolina)
Baltimore over St Louis (obviously)
Atlanta over NYG (pretty much obviously)
Philly over Green Bay (the Eagles are 1 1/2 games ahead of us and are starting to roll. I\'m betting on them to win the NFC East)
Buffalo over Dallas (obviously)
Minnesota over San Diego (doesn\'t really matter, Minnesota is too good this year. Plus somebody needs to score in my fantasy league)
Seattle over Washington (just because we won\'t catch Seattle. I don\'t think Washington will be a threat to make the play-offs)

My hope rests on the Cowboys fading. Parcells is good for 3 extra wins. They have used all of those already and their schedule the rest of the way is pretty tough. What the Saints need to do is crawl up to one game behind the Cowboys and we\'ll have a play-off game at home in week 17 (just like last year - strike that - with a better ending than last year). 5-2 is a must from now on and I don\'t see it yet.
One game at a time!

DblBogey 11-05-2003 06:21 AM

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Just messin\' with ya Bill... er... Rook. Good to have you back...
I knew he couldn\'t hold out. I bet he was about to bust with no where to vent and spew. Someone posted early in the season that HazHadits theory for this year was to start with the collapse and end up with a bang. I\'ll be damn if that doesn\'t look like what is happening. I think we will have a legitimate shot at a slot in the playoffs. I see Carolina pulling off a Saints \'02 imitation this year, the Bucs is bit with the SB jinx and the Bird Turds couldn\'t do anything even if the Vick-tim came back today.


Stranger things have happened, Ijus...memmmber when!

DblBogey 11-05-2003 06:21 AM

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Just messin\' with ya Bill... er... Rook. Good to have you back...
I knew he couldn\'t hold out. I bet he was about to bust with no where to vent and spew. Someone posted early in the season that HazHadits theory for this year was to start with the collapse and end up with a bang. I\'ll be damn if that doesn\'t look like what is happening. I think we will have a legitimate shot at a slot in the playoffs. I see Carolina pulling off a Saints \'02 imitation this year, the Bucs is bit with the SB jinx and the Bird Turds couldn\'t do anything even if the Vick-tim came back today.


Stranger things have happened, Ijus...memmmber when!

whowatches 11-05-2003 08:52 AM

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5-1 would make us 9-6 with a game to go Mr. Wizard. LOL. I like this Rookie. He\'s not too bad. <sips the Tang> He\'s the best poster on this board. <another sip> I think he should be the moderator. <sip, sip> Is he my dad?

LOL. Just messin\' with ya Bill... er... Rook. Good to have you back... er.... welcome. Man, this Tang sure Fs you up quickly.
Coming soon to a liquor store in your neighborhood......

Who-Tang

Join the dozens that are enjoying its intoxifying optimism.. you, yes, you can be a member of... The Who-Tang Clan!

WhoDat 11-05-2003 09:05 AM

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LMAO! That is fabulous WW. The Who-Tang Clan. I am now taking nominations for membership! ;)

I did notice that nocloning just said almost EXACTLY what I said and no one here is blasting him. Hhmm... Nocloning, I\'ll step in and say what the Who-Tang Clan wants to say - \"You\'re the most pessimistic person ever. You don\'t see it? The Saints aren\'t only going to make the playoffs, they will win the division, <sips Tang>, and the NFC Championship, <sip, sip>, and the Super Bowl, <gulp>, they won\'t lose until 2010, and if you can\'t see how obviously REALISTIC that is, then you are either blind or just a pessimistic person who is looking for any excuse to bash this team!\" LMAO. Was that OK Saintfan? Billy.. er... Rook? Was that about right?

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- 11-05-2003 09:21 AM

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WhoDat and Clone don\'t believe we can catch Carolina. But, I do. That\'s what I\'m hoping for and I don\'t think it\'s out of the question. I think Carolina will go 3-5 the rest of the way. I guess y\'all didn\'t think Huston would beat Carolina? Carolina has been very lucky to get the record they have. Let me say it again -- LUCKY !! -- As long as their is a chance to catch Carolina, why would I be hoping that they would win? No sir. I will be hoping for them to lose so we can win the division and whatever happens will happen. I\'ll let the rest of you be wishing for 2nd place in the division.

Can ya hear me?

Probably not -- :P

saintfan 11-05-2003 09:52 AM

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Whodat say de gonna beat \'dem Saints.

Notice that\'s not a question, but a statement.

:P


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