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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; FYI but I\'ll tell you this - with the exception of Joe Johnson and Albert Connell, pretty much every player the Saints have let go that contributed seriously to this team are starters somewhere else Albert Connell is a starter ...

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Old 11-10-2003, 02:19 PM   #31
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but I\'ll tell you this - with the exception of Joe Johnson and Albert Connell, pretty much every player the Saints have let go that contributed seriously to this team are starters somewhere else
Albert Connell is a starter for the Calgary Stampeders in the CFL. I think that he contributed seriously to that teams performance... They ended up in last place.
Oh, did you mean contributing positivly?
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Old 11-10-2003, 02:24 PM   #32
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I think Haslett has underachieved in New Orleans. I think with it being the 4th year of the Haslett era that there is no question this program should be further along. I also believe that Haslett is growing as a NFL coach. Call it blind faith or whatever you wish, I just think he will get it done.

You keep refering to \"all this talent\" the Saints have. The tried and true formula for success in the NFL is to have a great defense and a great running game. Having a great defense will keep you in almost every game. I think that\'s the biggest mistake that has been made with this administration. WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD DEFENSE. Much less a great defense. It\'s hard to put up 25 or 30 points a game in the NFL. Which is why I don\'t feel that all the critcism of Brooks is justified. But that\'s a whole different story.

So, if you want to look at things on paper then there is certainly a good case to fire Jim, but I think it\'s the wrong decision. Now at the end of this year, I might have to rethink the way I feel right now, but the final decision for Haslett to return does not ride on him making the playoffs in my mind. Like I said, he could do the best coaching job in the history of the NFL the rest of the way out and still not make the playoffs.
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Old 11-10-2003, 02:34 PM   #33
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I’ll agree that making the playoffs at this point shouldn’t be the catalyst for firing Haz. However how he coaches the rest of the season should be. If he does the best coaching job in the history of the NFL, as you said. And we still don’t make the playoffs, then fine keep him. If he doesn’t, then see ya. He’s had two back to back years with an end of the season breakdown, and this season with a beginning of the season breakdown. That does not show a coach who is in control of his team. He’s had enough time to make it his own team, and get rid of all the “cancersâ⠂¬?. Now it is dependant of him to make things happen. (although personally I also feel that the O & D coordinator deserve a bit of the blame as well)
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Old 11-10-2003, 02:54 PM   #34
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The tried and true formula for success in the NFL is to have a great defense and a great running game.
I’m sorry, didn’t the top three rushing teams last year NOT make it into the playoffs? May have to go back and do a little more research on that one, but I will confirm it when I have more time. And the players we have on defense are not good, I’ll give you that, but it wasn’t like we chose them. Haslett did, he brought in who he thought could do the job. Since he made the call to bring them in, he should suffer the consequences. With greater power comes greater responsibility. The only thing that I’m willing to give you is that you cannot expect a defense to gel with the number of new players that this team has. But should we allow further leniency next year, just because Haslett has decided to “retoolââ ‚¬? the defense this coming offseason…again?
It amazes me that some of you are willing to overlook all this just because you have this seemingly “man crush� on Haslett.

Like I said, he could do the best coaching job in the history of the NFL the rest of the way out and still not make the playoffs.
It would be different if the season were to begin this coming Sunday…but we have already played eight games! What, are we just suddenly going to ignore the first half of the season? This team looked like crap in half of those games, but I’m sure that was more of a case of the stars being out of line or the fans fault, more so than Hasletts. :casstet:

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Old 11-10-2003, 03:07 PM   #35
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Show me a \"This\" and explain to me \"This\" and I\'ll tell ya \"this\", etc etc etc and Jesus Christ are there some \"know it alls\" in here or what?

08 likes to point out the players we\'ve lost and blame it on Haz. Which players did we lose because of Haz? Anyone care to list \'em...factually? I had to throw factually in there because 08 and Whodat will come back to this thread tossing around their OPINIONS as facts.

Now, I can think of two...Roaf...and c-ya Willie is how I feel about that one. This man let his personal life into his professional life and I have no respect for that.

Turley. See you too Kyle. This guy is not as good as of lot of Fans wanna think. They like his attitude on the field, but if I\'m Jim I show him the door too. Not many of you will acknowledge the FACT that it was Kyle\'s missed block that caused Brooks\' injury last season. Klye sure won\'t. Later Kyle...

Now, who are the other players...show me the ones that left not for the Money or for a starting position but because of Jim. Type \'em up boyz...let\'s hear it.

Ahhhh...Johnson...me thinks that was Mueller\'s doings. Reseach that one and try again...

Jim has weathered the storm, and his team is still intact. I\'ll be willing to bet you all that Jim was not expecting to win the Superbowl this year. I\'d betcha if any of you people in here callin for his head had ANY clue or insight into the inner workings of the Saints organization you\'re probably seeing right now exactly what Jim was expecting when the season started. Sure, I\'m sure he hoped to go undefeated, but realistically, after all the injuries and the rediculously difficult schedule he\'s probably about where he figured he\'d be.

You people waste your breath and tire your fingers callin for Jim\'s job, but you won\'t get it. Are they really underachievers, or are they just not as talented as you people want to think they are? They never really had a chance on defense this year...not a chance, and yes injuries DO make a difference 08...see the Falcons. They are 1 of 3 blown calls (pick whichever one you\'d like) away from .500 after a shaky start. Get real people. Jim will be back next year regardless of what happens this year. Stop wasting your time debating otherwise.

08, we already know you hate the Saints. Why you type here is the real mystery.
Whodat...who is it that you DON\'T want to fire, if I may ask?

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Old 11-10-2003, 03:17 PM   #36
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B&B, I have to agree with you on one thing. I think the first part of the season never happened. We just all kinda dreamed it. I also agree with the fact that since then we have beat some very marginal teams, yes even the Bucs are marginal to me the way they are playing. I won\'t call for Haz\'s head just yet, but I think you might see some here who now side with him, screaming \"Off with his head\" after a few losses to teams we should beat. I hope that doesn\'t happen but if history teachs us anything we can always look at the past. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Old 11-10-2003, 03:27 PM   #38
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I love the fact that anytime the \"underachiever\" argument is attacked, you never hear anything about the offense, they always talk defense. No ****, the defense is average at best- what a shocker! Never saw that coming before the season began. You think after last year\'s performance by the offense that this is not underachieving as a whole? Sure they look like they are starting to come around, but it\'s already halfway through the season. Too little, too late. Now, if I know that the players are not playing up to their level, who should recieve the blame? The players or the head coach?
And who gives a damn about ex-Saints\' players- I don\'t, they don\'t play for the team anymore. All I care about are the players (who Haslett brought in) that are playing for this team now.

Jesus Christ are there some \"know it alls\" in here or what?
That is the truest statement I\'ve seen posted in quite some time. Sad that it applies to every single member of this board. That\'s why we come here, and bicker, and argue, every...stinking...day :P

I\'d betcha if any of you people in here callin for his head had ANY clue or insight into the inner workings of the Saints organization
If I did have a clue about the inner workings of this organization and it\'s people, I doubt I would be a fan of football, much less the Saints, anymore.

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In other words BandB, your speculating. I think that was more or less my whole point.

If I\'m not mistaken, you are blaming Jim for the lack of offense, and while I agree the buck stops with the head coach, the Saints have been in a terrible position both offensively and defensively from the start. Each, in my opinion, is necessarilly related to the other. Furthermore, Jim isn\'t responsible for Joe Horn dropping a touchdown pass, or is he? It\'s my opinion that Joe is responsible for his play on the field. I betcha Joe would tell you the same. Wanna let Joe go cause he\'s had a case of the drops this year, or do you wanna fire Haz for Joe\'s isues? The offensive game plan suffers if the team is constantly playing from behind, and when you lose nearly the entire starting defense all at once you\'re likely to be playing from behind. See what I mean ?

If all coaches in the league kept or lost their jobs based on the general opinion I get from reading posts on this board then the ONLY way to keep the job is to win the superbowl every year, and I think we all know that ain\'t gonna happen. Perhaps there IS more talent on the Saints than ever, but do we credit Jim for that? Not if they do well. If they do well we credit Mueller. We ONLY credit Jim for the talent on this team if they do poorly. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

As I have said before and continue to believe, it\'s a damn good thing you people aren\'t in charge...

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In other words BandB, your speculating. I think that was more or less my whole point.

If I\'m not mistaken, you are blaming Jim for the lack of offense, and while I agree the buck stops with the head coach, the Saints have been in a terrible position both offensively and defensively from the start. Each, in my opinion, is necessarilly related to the other. Furthermore, Jim isn\'t responsible for Joe Horn dropping a touchdown pass, or is he? It\'s my opinion that Joe is responsible for his play on the field. I betcha Joe would tell you the same. Wanna let Joe go cause he\'s had a case of the drops this year, or do you wanna fire Haz for Joe\'s isues? The offensive game plan suffers if the team is constantly playing from behind, and when you lose nearly the entire starting defense all at once you\'re likely to be playing from behind. See what I mean ?

If all coaches in the league kept or lost their jobs based on the general opinion I get from reading posts on this board then the ONLY way to keep the job is to win the superbowl every year, and I think we all know that ain\'t gonna happen. Perhaps there IS more talent on the Saints than ever, but do we credit Jim for that? Not if they do well. If they do well we credit Mueller. We ONLY credit Jim for the talent on this team if they do poorly. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

As I have said before and continue to believe, it\'s a damn good thing you people aren\'t in charge...

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