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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm sorry, but compared to most working kickers out there and all non-working kicker out there I like Hartley. If not for him we wouldn't have beaten Dallas. He was 3 for 3 with 50 and ...

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Old 12-17-2010, 12:35 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
I'm sorry, but compared to most working kickers out there and all non-working kicker out there I like Hartley. If not for him we wouldn't have beaten Dallas. He was 3 for 3 with 50 and 45 yarders.

He went through a short slump earlier this year. He was pure money the two years before that.
Granted we would not have beaten Dallas with any other kicker.....

We also would have not gone into overtime or lost to Atlanta if it were not his 29 yard FG miss... No? Care to guess who would be 11-2 right now if that FG were made? Guess who would be leading the NFC South?

Garrett Hartley Missed Field Goal Video | Falcons Vs Saints | SportsGrid

While my opinion may be unorthodox to some.. I think the ATL game was more important than the Dal game.
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Old 12-17-2010, 03:50 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
Granted we would not have beaten Dallas with any other kicker.....

We also would have not gone into overtime or lost to Atlanta if it were not his 29 yard FG miss... No? Care to guess who would be 11-2 right now if that FG were made? Guess who would be leading the NFC South?

Garrett Hartley Missed Field Goal Video | Falcons Vs Saints | SportsGrid

While my opinion may be unorthodox to some.. I think the ATL game was more important than the Dal game.
You "misremember" what happened in that game. Hartley MADE a 32 yard FG with 9 seconds left to send the game to overtime. If not for him we would have lost it in regulation. It was two interceptions by Brees and a Chris Ivory fumble that cost us the game. Not Hartley.

Yes, Hartley missed one in overtime, but the defense still let Atlanta score after the miss.

That was was not Hartley's fault. Get over it people.
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Old 12-17-2010, 03:56 PM   #53
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I was typing while Guido was posting....

If the offense had scored ANY POINTS AT ALL, from 3:03 left in the 1st period until 4 seconds remaining in the 3rd, we would not even be having this discussion about Hartley and overtime in the Falcons game, period. If you want to get all woulda-shoulda-coulda hypothetical about the Saints being 11-2, get real for a minute. The Saints offense went for ALMOST AN ENTIRE HALF without scoring any points in that game. Chris Ivory fumbled on a play that "junior high running backs make routinely," and Drew threw a really dumb interception. Let's throw them under the bus too while you're at it.
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Old 12-17-2010, 05:32 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by Mr Magic View Post
I'm still amazed so many support a subpar NFL kicker.

It must be his hot girlfriend that everyone is so enamored with...lol.
I probably wouldn't support a subpar NFL kicker, but the fact is that Hartley is not a subpar kicker. Kicks are routinely missed by kickers all across the league. It's all part of the game. Elite kickers are few and far between. They do not grow on trees.
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Old 12-17-2010, 05:34 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by Mr Magic View Post
I'm still amazed so many support a subpar NFL kicker.

It must be his hot girlfriend that everyone is so enamored with...lol.

Hartley makes a 29 yard field goal we're 11-2. He didn't so his supporters shouldn't complain when we play on the road in the playoffs.

The Falclowns will run the table. Anyone expecting help from Seattle and Carolina should keep their opinions to themselves. Amazingly the same people support that loser Hartley.
Chris Ivory doesn't fumble that ball at the 28 and we're 11-2. He didn't so his supporters shouldn't complain when we play on the road in the playoffs.

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Old 12-17-2010, 05:40 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by Mr Magic View Post
ya, but high school kickers make 29 yard kicks with ease. He misses a 40+ yarder I give him a pass. A 29 yarder, sorry he deserves all the heat he gets.
And NFL kickers miss 29 yarders. There isn't a kicker in the league that couldn't have missed that kick. That crap happens. Any number of things in that game had just as much impact on the outcome. To fixate on that one detail is overly paranoid.
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Old 12-17-2010, 05:44 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by Mr Magic View Post
ya, but high school kickers make 29 yard kicks with ease. The guy was hyperventaling before he kicked...lol.

He misses a 40+ yarder I give him a pass. A 29 yarder, sorry he deserves all the heat he gets.

Especially with your number 1 rival in the same division. No excuse for that, he should have been cut.
Well, maybe one day you can apply your brilliance whenever you become general manager of an NFL team. I'm quite sure you'll get there one day. Then you can fire all the kickers you want, because I know you have a pipeline to bevy of Morten Andersens.
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Old 12-17-2010, 05:45 PM   #58
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Oh, i'm going to fixate on that because Hartley didn't do his job. As bad as our O and D played in that game, we deserved to win because the O and D did enough to get us in position for a game winning 29 yard kick. No excuse for a modern NFL kicker to miss a few yards from an extra point.
Yet it fairly commonly happens.
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Show me one kicker who is money 100%?
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Yet it fairly commonly happens.
I'm not sure I'd call 1 out of every 20 attempts common.
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