Browns waive WR Johnson

saint5221 · 11-12-2003, 08:47 AM

True, but Davis could of gotten something for Johnson.The jets were offering a #2 earlier I\'m not saying that would of been the market now but it would of been something . Also with a losing team it\'s starting to get hot for Butch Davis, moves like this don\'t help on the field, in the stands and more importantly in the locker room. The players association is comming down on the handling of the issue of Green smoking green, now the players are shocked by this, definatly not a players coach, things coulds start to get out of hand and Davis could find himself out of a job fast.

WhoDat · 11-12-2003, 12:26 PM

sh-t, with Donte\'s hamstringitis, Pathon\'s remarkable disappearing act for most of this season, and Horn\'s age and condition, give me one good reason why the Saints shouldn\'t try and sign this guy after he clears waivers. Four WR set of Horn, Stallworth, Pathon, and Johnson. Dang. If McCarthy can\'t return the offense to last season\'s form with those guys then he should be fired.

saint5221 · 11-12-2003, 12:36 PM

Sounds great if he clears waivers, KFFL is reporting a ton of activity around Johnson. It makes sense to get him after waivers. Because of the veteran rules, Johnson will be a free agent next year if he is claimed off waivers.That may make teams wait till the 4:00 deadline, but with all the interest someone may claim him to have the first shot. Detroit seems to be stepping up along with the Packers and the Vkings.

[Edited on 11/12/2003 by saint5221]

nocloning · 11-12-2003, 01:42 PM

Davis is \"pulling a Haslett\" in Cleveland, trying to push out all the players that have been there before he arrived. He has made some obscure personnel decisions that can\'t be explained otherwise (including starting Holcombe over Couch).
I doubt Johnson will clear waivers. The Vikings badly need a receiver, there\'s NOONE but Moss. That became very clear when Randy played hurt in the 4th quarter against the Chargers and he was only used as a decoy. The passes went to Kleinsasser or Moe Williams (not that I mind, Mr. Williams won the fantasy football game for me). If Detroit or some other bad team doesn\'t pick him up, Minnesota will.
I still believe our WR corps is one of the better ones. They just have to focus.

saint5221 · 11-13-2003, 08:07 AM

Just as a final wrap up to this, the Saints did put in a waiver request along with just about everyone else in the league for Johnson,the Jags ended up with him.

BillyC · 11-13-2003, 10:42 AM

I wish we could have signed Johnson. I continue to believe that our receivers are overrated. Joe Horn is a very good receiver but hardly an elite receiver. There are MANY teams where Joe would not be their # 1 receiver. Stallworth, well, he could be, but he\'s not and he\'s hardly ever on the field. Paython -- a decent 3rd receiver I guess, but the league is full of them.

saintfan · 11-13-2003, 10:46 AM

I agree with you 100 percent Billy. Saintz08 just took another swig of 08er-aid.

rich006 · 11-13-2003, 11:15 AM

I don\'t see too many teams out there where Horn would not be the #1 guy. Sure, Moss and Owens are a cut above everybody else in the league, and there are several young players (including Stallworth) with the potential to join them. But Horn is right there with anybody else in the league, although he has had too many drops this year. Most of the \"elite\" receivers play on teams that throw the ball a lot, so the receivers get a lot of attention. And the Saints ain\'t one of those teams.

Here are the league leaders in receiving yardage this year. I\'m posting this not to prove a point, but to give a list of people who could be called elite receivers. I don\'t see too many that I\'d rather have on my team (talking real team, not fantasy football) than Joe Horn. Who would you rather have?

Player Team Rec Yds Avg TDs Long
Torry Holt STL 66 1016 15.4 9 48
Randy Moss MIN 63 998 15.8 10 72
Chad Johnson CIN 48 807 16.8 5 82
Anquan Boldin ARI 56 790 14.1 4 71
Laveranues Coles WAS 51 783 15.4 3 64
Marvin Harrison IND 56 777 13.9 7 79
Santana Moss NYJ 44 726 16.5 8 65
Hines Ward PIT 60 717 12.0 8 50
Isaac Bruce STL 45 705 15.7 1 41
Amani Toomer NYG 37 693 18.7 3 77
Keenan McCardell TB 44 693 15.8 6 75
Derrick Mason TEN 50 690 13.8 4 50
Steve Smith CAR 52 645 12.4 5 67
Terrell Owens SF 48 636 13.3 4 75
Darrell Jackson SEA 34 604 17.8 4 66
Andre Johnson HOU 42 589 14.0 2 43
Joe Horn NO 49 576 11.8 6 42
Keyshawn Johnson TB 42 566 13.5 3 39
Eric Moulds BUF 41 542 13.2 1 49
Jeremy Shockey NYG 48 535 11.1 2 46
Jerry Rice OAK 41 523 12.8 0 29
Reggie Wayne IND 40 520 13.0 5 57
Plaxico Burress PIT 35 517 14.8 1 47
Koren Robinson SEA 34 498 14.6 2 37
David Boston SD 40 495 12.4 3 46
Chris Chambers MIA 33 491 14.9 6 57
Ike Hilliard NYG 47 490 10.4 6 38
Rod Smith DEN 39 487 12.5 1 38
Tony Gonzalez KC 33 481 14.6 5 67
Peerless Price ATL 40 468 11.7 1 48

saintfan · 11-13-2003, 11:19 AM

IMO you\'ve kinda watered down the word \"elite\" with such a long list. Personally, I\'m not knockin\' Joe Horn. I just don\'t think the Saints receivers are as good as some of us would like to think they are.

BlackandBlue · 11-13-2003, 11:19 AM

Joe Horn is a very good receiver but hardly an elite receiver. There are MANY teams where Joe would not be their # 1 receiver.

I am so baffled by this statement that I don\'t even know how to respond. Congrats- I am speechless...for the moment.
Think it\'s coincidental that the two biggest AB jock straps are the same two that are claiming our receivers are overrated?

[Edited on 13/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]

11-12-2003, 08:47 AM	#11
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Browns waive WR Johnson True, but Davis could of gotten something for Johnson.The jets were offering a #2 earlier I\'m not saying that would of been the market now but it would of been something . Also with a losing team it\'s starting to get hot for Butch Davis, moves like this don\'t help on the field, in the stands and more importantly in the locker room. The players association is comming down on the handling of the issue of Green smoking green, now the players are shocked by this, definatly not a players coach, things coulds start to get out of hand and Davis could find himself out of a job fast.
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11-12-2003, 12:26 PM	#12
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Browns waive WR Johnson sh-t, with Donte\'s hamstringitis, Pathon\'s remarkable disappearing act for most of this season, and Horn\'s age and condition, give me one good reason why the Saints shouldn\'t try and sign this guy after he clears waivers. Four WR set of Horn, Stallworth, Pathon, and Johnson. Dang. If McCarthy can\'t return the offense to last season\'s form with those guys then he should be fired.
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11-12-2003, 12:36 PM	#13
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Browns waive WR Johnson Sounds great if he clears waivers, KFFL is reporting a ton of activity around Johnson. It makes sense to get him after waivers. Because of the veteran rules, Johnson will be a free agent next year if he is claimed off waivers.That may make teams wait till the 4:00 deadline, but with all the interest someone may claim him to have the first shot. Detroit seems to be stepping up along with the Packers and the Vkings. [Edited on 11/12/2003 by saint5221]
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11-12-2003, 01:42 PM	#14
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	Browns waive WR Johnson Davis is \"pulling a Haslett\" in Cleveland, trying to push out all the players that have been there before he arrived. He has made some obscure personnel decisions that can\'t be explained otherwise (including starting Holcombe over Couch). I doubt Johnson will clear waivers. The Vikings badly need a receiver, there\'s NOONE but Moss. That became very clear when Randy played hurt in the 4th quarter against the Chargers and he was only used as a decoy. The passes went to Kleinsasser or Moe Williams (not that I mind, Mr. Williams won the fantasy football game for me). If Detroit or some other bad team doesn\'t pick him up, Minnesota will. I still believe our WR corps is one of the better ones. They just have to focus.
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11-13-2003, 08:07 AM	#15
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Browns waive WR Johnson Just as a final wrap up to this, the Saints did put in a waiver request along with just about everyone else in the league for Johnson,the Jags ended up with him.
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11-13-2003, 10:42 AM	#16
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Browns waive WR Johnson I wish we could have signed Johnson. I continue to believe that our receivers are overrated. Joe Horn is a very good receiver but hardly an elite receiver. There are MANY teams where Joe would not be their # 1 receiver. Stallworth, well, he could be, but he\'s not and he\'s hardly ever on the field. Paython -- a decent 3rd receiver I guess, but the league is full of them.
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11-13-2003, 10:46 AM	#17
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Browns waive WR Johnson I agree with you 100 percent Billy. Saintz08 just took another swig of 08er-aid.

11-13-2003, 11:15 AM	#18
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Browns waive WR Johnson I don\'t see too many teams out there where Horn would not be the #1 guy. Sure, Moss and Owens are a cut above everybody else in the league, and there are several young players (including Stallworth) with the potential to join them. But Horn is right there with anybody else in the league, although he has had too many drops this year. Most of the \"elite\" receivers play on teams that throw the ball a lot, so the receivers get a lot of attention. And the Saints ain\'t one of those teams. Here are the league leaders in receiving yardage this year. I\'m posting this not to prove a point, but to give a list of people who could be called elite receivers. I don\'t see too many that I\'d rather have on my team (talking real team, not fantasy football) than Joe Horn. Who would you rather have? Player Team Rec Yds Avg TDs Long Torry Holt STL 66 1016 15.4 9 48 Randy Moss MIN 63 998 15.8 10 72 Chad Johnson CIN 48 807 16.8 5 82 Anquan Boldin ARI 56 790 14.1 4 71 Laveranues Coles WAS 51 783 15.4 3 64 Marvin Harrison IND 56 777 13.9 7 79 Santana Moss NYJ 44 726 16.5 8 65 Hines Ward PIT 60 717 12.0 8 50 Isaac Bruce STL 45 705 15.7 1 41 Amani Toomer NYG 37 693 18.7 3 77 Keenan McCardell TB 44 693 15.8 6 75 Derrick Mason TEN 50 690 13.8 4 50 Steve Smith CAR 52 645 12.4 5 67 Terrell Owens SF 48 636 13.3 4 75 Darrell Jackson SEA 34 604 17.8 4 66 Andre Johnson HOU 42 589 14.0 2 43 Joe Horn NO 49 576 11.8 6 42 Keyshawn Johnson TB 42 566 13.5 3 39 Eric Moulds BUF 41 542 13.2 1 49 Jeremy Shockey NYG 48 535 11.1 2 46 Jerry Rice OAK 41 523 12.8 0 29 Reggie Wayne IND 40 520 13.0 5 57 Plaxico Burress PIT 35 517 14.8 1 47 Koren Robinson SEA 34 498 14.6 2 37 David Boston SD 40 495 12.4 3 46 Chris Chambers MIA 33 491 14.9 6 57 Ike Hilliard NYG 47 490 10.4 6 38 Rod Smith DEN 39 487 12.5 1 38 Tony Gonzalez KC 33 481 14.6 5 67 Peerless Price ATL 40 468 11.7 1 48
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11-13-2003, 11:19 AM	#19
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Browns waive WR Johnson IMO you\'ve kinda watered down the word \"elite\" with such a long list. Personally, I\'m not knockin\' Joe Horn. I just don\'t think the Saints receivers are as good as some of us would like to think they are.

11-13-2003, 11:19 AM	#20
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Browns waive WR Johnson Joe Horn is a very good receiver but hardly an elite receiver. There are MANY teams where Joe would not be their # 1 receiver. I am so baffled by this statement that I don\'t even know how to respond. Congrats- I am speechless...for the moment. Think it\'s coincidental that the two biggest AB jock straps are the same two that are claiming our receivers are overrated? [Edited on 13/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]