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44Champs 12-06-2010 04:47 PM

Close games / come from behind wins
 
So many callers into Hebert and Deke yesterday acted like we lost the game. Personally, I think it's these types of close, come from behind games that makes the team stronger and makes them believe in themselves. Maybe because we were so offensively dominant last year and because we won the SB, some fans forget about some of the adversity we had to overcome: Falcons, Dolphins, Redskins, Jets. It was NOT an easy season, but the Saints made it seem easy. I think a team needs games like these to help them overcome the strong teams in the post-season. WhoDat!

BIGEASY504 12-06-2010 04:49 PM

TRU-TRU

|Mitch| 12-06-2010 04:51 PM

Agree!

SAINT_MICHAEL 12-06-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 267727)
Some people aint happy no matter how much pie you feed them

That depends upon what type of pie it is !

neugey 12-06-2010 05:12 PM

Yes, good to get this kind of experience for the Saints on the road and in the cold. We'll have a chance again in Baltimore in a few weeks.

Could pay dividends if we end up traveling to a Chicago, New York or Green Bay in the postseason.

papz 12-06-2010 05:44 PM

If I were a Falcons fan, I'd be using the same reasoning too. Hopefully our matchup at the end of the season will end the same way.

dizzle88 12-06-2010 05:49 PM

The one thing that is bugging me the past couple of weeks is that we are giving up big leads and that's what makes the games so close.
NOW we are showing we are a veteran team by making the plays when it counts, but if we give up another 17 point lead to the wrong team we could be in trouble, we've got to be aggressive, stay disciplined and STAY AHEAD!!!!
Don't get me wrong, I love that we are winning, but we have got to stop hurting ourselves and letting teams back in the game.

jlouhill 12-06-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 267724)
So many callers into Hebert and Deke yesterday acted like we lost the game. Personally, I think it's these types of close, come from behind games that makes the team stronger and makes them believe in themselves. Maybe because we were so offensively dominant last year and because we won the SB, some fans forget about some of the adversity we had to overcome: Falcons, Dolphins, Redskins, Jets. It was NOT an easy season, but the Saints made it seem easy. I think a team needs games like these to help them overcome the strong teams in the post-season. WhoDat!

These people are always going to be there. They would gripe if the sun rose in the west tomorrow. Yes this year's team has been nerve wracking to watch at times but we're winning and truly good teams find ways to win. Besides we have been winning with a host of key injuries, Drew making uncharacterisitc mistakes early on, and the offense not clicking. Well we're getting healthy, Drew is playing much better and the offense is starting to click. Things are coming together at just the right time. We just need to shore up the special teams play and cut down on the penalties and we'll be fine.

darstep 12-06-2010 09:43 PM

Good teams should beat poor teams convincingly. How you win is important. It kind of shows what you are really made of. Is this who we are? Are we better than what we've showed? or is this as good as it gets and we should just keep our fingers crossed that we keep playing undisciplined or very generous teams? I'm thinking that we need to tighten it up.

QBREES9 12-06-2010 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 267796)
Hey we won...dats all that matters in the grand scheme of things..

On to the Rams !!!

TheOak 12-07-2010 06:32 AM

This is how it breaks down for New Orleans vs all the other teams.

New Orleans wins a close one or comes from behind to win = They squeaked by and pulled it out of their lucky azzes, when will this luck run out... Or... New Orleans almost looses yet another one.

Any other team in the NFL wins a close one or comes from behind to win = That is what Champions are made of. Good teams do that. "insert QB name here" showed why he is a top tier QB by orchestrating a come from behind win.

Sad thing, our fans do it to.

AsylumGuido 12-07-2010 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 267795)
Good teams should beat poor teams convincingly. How you win is important. It kind of shows what you are really made of. Is this who we are? Are we better than what we've showed? or is this as good as it gets and we should just keep our fingers crossed that we keep playing undisciplined or very generous teams? I'm thinking that we need to tighten it up.

But the point is that the Bengals and the Cowboys are not poor teams. Not even close to it. They are good teams with great talent and poor records. Like every other team we have played this year they simply played to their potential when they faced us.

RailBoss 12-07-2010 07:35 AM

The games that hurt us most were The Cards and The Browns. But you can't expect to be perfect every game that is just the way it goes. The big win was against The Boys on Turkey Day for a lot of reasons.

Rugby Saint II 12-07-2010 09:43 AM

Come from behind games may be good for the team but their hell on the fans.

the-commish 12-07-2010 10:09 AM

I think giving up the big leads the past 2 weeks on the road had more to do with "other" factors than just getting conservative, or having the D play bad. In Big D on Thanksgiving, Miles Austin's TD reverse should have been called back due to Witten's hold on Malcolm Jenkins. Had that TD been called back, the Cowboys would not have had the momentum in the second half. In Cincinnati, the special teams coverage sucked, and the Bengals constantly had a short field. SP will see to it that that gets straightened up.

Here is an encouraging stat: the Saints have won 12 of their past 14 games on the road (one loss was the meaningless Carolina game at the end of last season; the other was the offense's total meltdown vs Arizona this season). Except for that, we are PERFECT on the road in the last two seasons.

I know playoffs are another whole ball of wax, and road playoff games are tough. But this team's play on the road has got to be encouraging to us WhoDats.

skymike 12-07-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 267724)
So many callers into Hebert and Deke yesterday acted like we lost the game. Personally, I think it's these types of close, come from behind games that makes the team stronger and makes them believe in themselves.

Right on. I believe the ability to overcome is the mark of a winner. Staubach, Elway, and Joe Montana werent great because their team beat everyone 44-0. How did Joe Montana get to be Joe Montana? By his 4th Quarter heriocs. (And by beating us, after we put up a 28 point lead.) When our guys play, they believe theyre going to win. When another team has a lead, and something small goes wrong for them, you know they're thinking, "oh crap, here they come again." Every team has big, fast, talented guys. Every team can win on any day. The difference is up in their head.
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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 267795)
Good teams should beat poor teams convincingly. ...

Uh uh, boss. This aint college. They're not grading on style points, and there's no bad teams in the NFL, only bad seasons.

We've clobbered some and pulled out miracles against others. I've been watching football for a long time, and I can tell you teams that can pull out wins from the bowels of a loss, especially on the road, are the ones that end up at the top. We've got something special again this year. GEAUX!

darstep 12-08-2010 08:39 AM

All I'm saying is, it sours when you leave it out too long, and we've been leaving it out.

xan 12-08-2010 09:18 AM

There are only a couple of really bad teams in the NFL, and we've exhausted our experience of them. All that's left are playoff caliber teams. I didn't and still don't consider Cincy, Cleveland, Seattle or Dallas bad teams. And the Rams are sneaky. We are every teams' measuring stick, so we get the extra effort straight to the end. Each team we've played except for Carolina have had big things to play for outside of the motivation of facing the reigning Super Bowl champs.

Beating anyone in this league with all the variability in weather, injuries, refs and matchups is an accomplishment. You all know I'm a worrier, and always concerned with the downside, but it's future downsides and potential for ignoring opportunities. While there is much to be dissatisfied with aspects of some close wins, we will never get a lay-down like the Pats got from the Jets Monday night.

Winning is all that matters.

darstep 12-08-2010 10:02 AM

How you win also matters. Its nice to know and to have proven that we can make it happen at the end of a game to pull out a win, but that's not the position you want to be in week in and week out. Even a magician has to reload his hat at some point. The notion that we can get it done is good to have in the back of our heads. I worry about it coming to the front and allowing players to justify missing that block on 3rd down in the first qtr, or blowing an assignment midway through the 2nd, or not executing on every play because we can just "make-up" for it at the end. You win first in your mind, then you execute. Without the execution we are setting ourselves up for a dropped pass, a bad call, a holding penalty, a missed chip shot, pass interference or some other jaw dropping game changer late in the game - when sound fundamentals and execution takes all of that stuff off the table. I applaud the things we have done well, but week to week, we have to clean up the areas where we have not performed well AND manage to keep the good things at their high level. Its not easy, but we can't keep rolling the dice every week.

skymike 12-08-2010 05:20 PM

I said "bowels." huh huh...

neugey 12-08-2010 09:53 PM

I think last game had to do with the Bengals, more than us, as far as their comeback. Cedric Benson is on my fantasy team, and I've noticed all year they are just a mixed bag ... they suddenly show up for a quarter or so, then they revert back to pooping on themselves again.

WhoDat!656 12-08-2010 10:07 PM

If the Saints were winning come-from-behind games against the "elite" teams of the league, it would be one thing.

But having to do it repeatedly against clearly inferior teams, is IMO, troubling.

Occasionally a bad team will beat a better team, (see Cleveland vs New Orleans & New England).

But like the post above pointed out, you can only do that so many times before it comes back to haunt you.

st thomas 12-08-2010 11:26 PM

the teams were beating now besides cincy, like dallas, seattle, are teams that will weed out playoff hopefuls. just like they could have taken us out. but look thats the way i see it we beat them and were moving on.


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