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Understanding the impact of Penalties

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Penalties are bad period. But understanding which ones have the greatest effect on a game is important to a fan as it can help calm some frustration. Offensive penalties can be recovered from in a single play. Loose 5 yards ...

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Old 12-20-2010, 08:24 AM   #1
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Understanding the impact of Penalties

Penalties are bad period. But understanding which ones have the greatest effect on a game is important to a fan as it can help calm some frustration.

Offensive penalties can be recovered from in a single play. Loose 5 yards and you can get it back with one run or a pass. Even 3rd and 25 can be deleted with a completed pass generally.

Defensive penalties are another animal... Defensive penalties directly help our opponent in most situations. However some Defensive penalties hurt our opponent. While a pass interference in "some" cases prevents a TD. I would rather a pass interference that moves the opponent to the 15 yard line than no penalty that gives them a TD. Our Red Zone D is great, and often holds them to 3 points. 3 is better than 7 any day.

The killers are the Defensive penalties like late hits, out of bounds hits, unsportsmanlike conduct, off sides/encroachment..... These typically give our opponents free first downs. Often moving them 15-20 yards... putting them in FG range.

Week 13: If CIN does not fall for the oldest play in the book. We loose.

Week 15:
Against BAL:
1 QTR
Ed Reed: 15-yard roughing the passer penalty. Saints TD
Sharper: 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty. Gives BAL great field position. Raven TD

4th QTR
Harper: 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty. Gives BAL great field position. Results TD


Saints Penalties for this season to Date:

Defensive Penalties: 20th in League for Penalties, 23rd for Penalty Yards
80 for 637 yards.

Offensive Penalties: 23rd in League on penalties, and 15th for penalty yards.
77 for 747 yards

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Old 12-20-2010, 08:38 AM   #2
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can you give a relative on the magnitude of the penalites, like who's the best, and what our upcoming opponents are like? Numbers without context aren't helpful...
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Penalties and Turnovers.



You're right about the defensive turnovers but offensive turnovers lead to missed opportunities to score, but they never happen.
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Old 12-20-2010, 09:59 AM   #4
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Smart football can put you in position to win games. Dumb football can take you out of position and cause games to be lost. Close games are where the +'s and -'s really come into play. Play drives can turn on an untimely penalty - on both sides of the ball.
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Old 12-20-2010, 12:06 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by xan View Post
can you give a relative on the magnitude of the penalites, like who's the best, and what our upcoming opponents are like? Numbers without context aren't helpful...
I'll do opponents in relation to what I have Posted about the Saints.

I looked for those deeper stats. Some stats are difficult to find... Dropped passes by Receiver is not easy to find, Penalties by Player is not easy to find, Teams ave starting Yard Line after a kick off is not easy to find, yards gained due to Pass Interference is not easy to find... Just to name a few I have looked for.


Clarification: Because as soon as I say they are not easy to find someone will post them LOL.. Not easy for ME to find.


Saints Number Corrected. The sort messed me up.

Lower ranking equals better ranking.
Saints: Decent on both sides of the ball
Defensive Penalties: 12th in League for Penalties, 10 th for Penalty Yards
80 for 637 yards.

Offensive Penalties: 10 th in League on penalties, and 18th for penalty yards.
77 for 747 yards

Upcoming Opponents Penalty's:


Atlanta: Best in League on offense. Terrible on Defense (We need to exploit)
Defensive Penalties: 26th in League for Penalties, 25rd for Penalty Yards
98 for 814 yards.
Offensive Penalties: 1st in League on penalties, and 3rd for penalty yards.
53 for 568 yards

Tampa Bay: Good on Defense, Bad on Offense.
Defensive Penalties: 3 rd in League for Penalties, 8th for Penalty Yards
73 for 621 yards.
Offensive Penalties: 20 th in League on penalties, and 20th for penalty yards.
90 for 761 yards

Who Knows... for a few weeks.

Patriots: SB Pretty good numbers on both sides of the ball. They have a pretty high penalty yardage on Offense compared to the number of penalties.
Defensive Penalties: 3 rd in League for Penalties, 5th for Penalty Yards
73 for 607 yards.

Offensive Penalties:6th in League on penalties, and 16th for penalty yards.
72 for 654 yards

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Old 12-20-2010, 12:07 PM   #6
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I left Turnovers out... because... if you are not the one getting the ball. it sucks for you.
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:31 PM   #7
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To me the most important aspect of this thread is that defensive penalties change and impact the game more than offensive penalties. Penalties can be negated through good play, however a flag by the offense brings the opponent closer to scoring position. This usually results in a field goal or a touch down. It seems like when we begin shooting ourselves in the foot that our opponents get into rhythm and the defense gives up fairly easy points.
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Old 12-21-2010, 02:58 PM   #8
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Speaking of dropped stats, Colston has 5 from the stat I found and White has 5. Thing is, White has 24 more catches. Gonzales however is way up there, believe it's 7. Marcus has dropped some very easy ones but all in all, the team is fine in that catergory, just need to tighen up some.

If we make the playoffs a lot of those penalties will go away but the roughing stuff has got to stop immediately. No excuse for 99% of it other than adreneline.
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