Saints Draft

jprime18 · 01-28-2011, 12:58 PM

Sorry if this was already brought up, but I believe that Heath's contract is up. If we don't resign him we can go for Stanley Havili in the late rounds.

Yes, he's small for the fullback position, but he's a fullback/3rd down back/change of pace back all in one. Plus, he will do ANYTHING to win. I like this kid's swag. Think of what Sean can think of having this diverse of a backfield.

papz · 01-28-2011, 01:49 PM

I don't know much about Havili's blocking ability, but he is an interesting weapon... the type of toy likes to have out of the backfield. He can pick up short yardage and has always been a good receiver out of the backfield.

This is an old scouting report on him.
2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Stanley Havili, USC « NFL Mocks | Covering the 2011 NFL Draft & Your #1 NFL Mock Draft Database

jeanpierre · 01-29-2011, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Do explain. Besides Micheal Vick, most DL can run down any quarterback in this league. Cam Newton is physical, fast for a person his size, and has the body to handle an NFL hit. If anything, his style of play matches very well with NFL play. He's been working with a qb guru who's tutored Big Ben and received rave reviews.

I'm not sure this is relevant to our conversation.

Comparable sized quarterbacks would be Daunte Culpepper, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve McNair; while they can take some hits, their size also makes them a big target, thereby easier to be hit; and as the hits mount, they will take their toll he will break down...

The LSU-Auburn game was about as close to the speed and style of play he will face in the NFL and with his style of play, he won't be able make those two-three same difference making plays in the NFL.

Let the Redskins draft him and you'll see.

jeanpierre · 01-29-2011, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I don't know much about Havili's blocking ability, but he is an interesting weapon... the type of toy likes to have out of the backfield. He can pick up short yardage and has always been a good receiver out of the backfield.

This is an old scouting report on him.
2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Stanley Havili, USC « NFL Mocks | Covering the 2011 NFL Draft & Your #1 NFL Mock Draft Database

Good Info; only flag was this guy was declared academically ineligible at the end of his 2009 season. Like that he was a co-captain on his team.

saintsfan1976 · 01-29-2011, 08:40 AM

We have GOT to impact opposing QB's more effectively. Speedy, edge rusher please!!!

papz · 01-29-2011, 08:41 AM

Comparable sized quarterbacks would be Daunte Culpepper, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve McNair; while they can take some hits, their size also makes them a big target, thereby easier to be hit; and as the hits mount, they will take their toll he will break down...

How many ProBowls did Culpepper go to before eating himself out the league? How many Superbowls has Big Ben been to? How many years did Steve McNair play in the NFL? Not good examples on why he's not going to succeed in the NFL.

The LSU-Auburn game was about as close to the speed and style of play he will face in the NFL and with his style of play, he won't be able make those two-three same difference making plays in the NFL.

If that was as close to a pro game as he played all year, he showed why he has the talent to play in the pros. He absolutely demolished LSU single handily.

Let the Redskins draft him and you'll see.

Only time can tell... but nothing about his play suggest he can't succeed at the next level. You come off as a bitter LSU fan... the guy is a monster.

jeanpierre · 01-29-2011, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by papz

How many ProBowls did Culpepper go to before eating himself out the league? How many Superbowls has Big Ben been to? How many years did Steve McNair play in the NFL? Not good examples on why he's not going to succeed in the NFL.

If that was as close to a pro game as he played all year, he showed why he has the talent to play in the pros. He absolutely demolished LSU single handily.

Only time can tell... but nothing about his play suggest he can't succeed at the next level. You come off as a bitter LSU fan... the guy is a monster.

Very presumptuous of you, actually not an LSU fan; more an SEC fan and I grew up pulling for the underdog Tulane Green Wave...

The example was that his conventional style of play was not good enough to beat LSU at home; it was his runs that made the difference for Auburn that day; that won't cut it in the NFL (Not For Long).

My opinion, and I am confident of this, is that I hope he goes to a team I loathe, like the Redskins or 49'ers, so that they can suck it for another three years...

FYI phrase(s) that begin with "you come off" are inappropriate, antagonistic and arrogant; not what I consider has been the general good spirit and discussion of the black and gold...

jeanpierre · 01-29-2011, 10:47 AM

For those thinking DL with the R1 pick...

Cameron Jordan is moving up draft boards; doesn't look like he'll make it to No. 24...

Not sold on Cameron Heyward out of Ohio State; not enough consistency...

Drake Nevis out of LSU is holding at the end of R1; would be intriguing pair with Sedrick Ellis...

Corey Liuget DT Illinois is gaining some momentum as an underclassman entry...

Ryan Kerrigan, DE, another Boilermaker, has made a strong showing in workouts as well, though he is only 262 lbs...

Danno · 01-29-2011, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

For those thinking DL with the R1 pick...

Cameron Jordan is moving up draft boards; doesn't look like he'll make it to No. 24...

Not sold on Cameron Heyward out of Ohio State; not enough consistency...

Drake Nevis out of LSU is holding at the end of R1; would be intriguing pair with Sedrick Ellis...

Corey Liuget DT Illinois is gaining some momentum as an underclassman entry...

Ryan Kerrigan, DE, another Boilermaker, has made a strong showing in workouts as well, though he is only 262 lbs...

Looks like only a few elite DL's in this years draft. May as well wait till round two if the all the elite DL's are gone at 24.

I'm afraid BPA at 24 might end up being an OL, TE, DB or WR. None of which are huge needs. I just hope we don't reach too far.

jeanpierre · 01-29-2011, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Looks like only a few elite DL's in this years draft. May as well wait till round two if the all the elite DL's are gone at 24.

I'm afraid BPA at 24 might end up being an OL, TE, DB or WR. None of which are huge needs. I just hope we don't reach too far.

Actually the DL elites are quite numerous, just not to 24...

We'd probably have to give up our No. 3 (the latter one/not redskin compensation pick) and trade our No. 1 to move up to the 13-16 area...

But I agree with the reaching fear...

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01-28-2011, 12:58 PM	#131
jprime18 Registered Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 35	Sorry if this was already brought up, but I believe that Heath's contract is up. If we don't resign him we can go for Stanley Havili in the late rounds. Yes, he's small for the fullback position, but he's a fullback/3rd down back/change of pace back all in one. Plus, he will do ANYTHING to win. I like this kid's swag. Think of what Sean can think of having this diverse of a backfield.
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01-29-2011, 08:16 AM	#133
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz Do explain. Besides Micheal Vick, most DL can run down any quarterback in this league. Cam Newton is physical, fast for a person his size, and has the body to handle an NFL hit. If anything, his style of play matches very well with NFL play. He's been working with a qb guru who's tutored Big Ben and received rave reviews. I'm not sure this is relevant to our conversation. Comparable sized quarterbacks would be Daunte Culpepper, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve McNair; while they can take some hits, their size also makes them a big target, thereby easier to be hit; and as the hits mount, they will take their toll he will break down... The LSU-Auburn game was about as close to the speed and style of play he will face in the NFL and with his style of play, he won't be able make those two-three same difference making plays in the NFL. Let the Redskins draft him and you'll see.

01-29-2011, 08:34 AM	#134
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz I don't know much about Havili's blocking ability, but he is an interesting weapon... the type of toy likes to have out of the backfield. He can pick up short yardage and has always been a good receiver out of the backfield. This is an old scouting report on him. 2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Stanley Havili, USC « NFL Mocks \| Covering the 2011 NFL Draft & Your #1 NFL Mock Draft Database Good Info; only flag was this guy was declared academically ineligible at the end of his 2009 season. Like that he was a co-captain on his team.

01-29-2011, 08:41 AM	#136
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	Comparable sized quarterbacks would be Daunte Culpepper, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve McNair; while they can take some hits, their size also makes them a big target, thereby easier to be hit; and as the hits mount, they will take their toll he will break down... How many ProBowls did Culpepper go to before eating himself out the league? How many Superbowls has Big Ben been to? How many years did Steve McNair play in the NFL? Not good examples on why he's not going to succeed in the NFL. The LSU-Auburn game was about as close to the speed and style of play he will face in the NFL and with his style of play, he won't be able make those two-three same difference making plays in the NFL. If that was as close to a pro game as he played all year, he showed why he has the talent to play in the pros. He absolutely demolished LSU single handily. Let the Redskins draft him and you'll see. Only time can tell... but nothing about his play suggest he can't succeed at the next level. You come off as a bitter LSU fan... the guy is a monster.
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01-28-2011, 01:49 PM	#132
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	I don't know much about Havili's blocking ability, but he is an interesting weapon... the type of toy likes to have out of the backfield. He can pick up short yardage and has always been a good receiver out of the backfield. This is an old scouting report on him. 2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Stanley Havili, USC « NFL Mocks \| Covering the 2011 NFL Draft & Your #1 NFL Mock Draft Database

01-29-2011, 08:40 AM	#135
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,536 Blog Entries: 3	We have GOT to impact opposing QB's more effectively. Speedy, edge rusher please!!!

01-29-2011, 10:24 AM	#137
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz How many ProBowls did Culpepper go to before eating himself out the league? How many Superbowls has Big Ben been to? How many years did Steve McNair play in the NFL? Not good examples on why he's not going to succeed in the NFL. If that was as close to a pro game as he played all year, he showed why he has the talent to play in the pros. He absolutely demolished LSU single handily. Only time can tell... but nothing about his play suggest he can't succeed at the next level. You come off as a bitter LSU fan... the guy is a monster. Very presumptuous of you, actually not an LSU fan; more an SEC fan and I grew up pulling for the underdog Tulane Green Wave... The example was that his conventional style of play was not good enough to beat LSU at home; it was his runs that made the difference for Auburn that day; that won't cut it in the NFL (Not For Long). My opinion, and I am confident of this, is that I hope he goes to a team I loathe, like the Redskins or 49'ers, so that they can suck it for another three years... FYI phrase(s) that begin with "you come off" are inappropriate, antagonistic and arrogant; not what I consider has been the general good spirit and discussion of the black and gold...
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01-29-2011, 10:47 AM	#138
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	For those thinking DL with the R1 pick... Cameron Jordan is moving up draft boards; doesn't look like he'll make it to No. 24... Not sold on Cameron Heyward out of Ohio State; not enough consistency... Drake Nevis out of LSU is holding at the end of R1; would be intriguing pair with Sedrick Ellis... Corey Liuget DT Illinois is gaining some momentum as an underclassman entry... Ryan Kerrigan, DE, another Boilermaker, has made a strong showing in workouts as well, though he is only 262 lbs...
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01-29-2011, 11:31 AM	#139
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by jeanpierre For those thinking DL with the R1 pick... Cameron Jordan is moving up draft boards; doesn't look like he'll make it to No. 24... Not sold on Cameron Heyward out of Ohio State; not enough consistency... Drake Nevis out of LSU is holding at the end of R1; would be intriguing pair with Sedrick Ellis... Corey Liuget DT Illinois is gaining some momentum as an underclassman entry... Ryan Kerrigan, DE, another Boilermaker, has made a strong showing in workouts as well, though he is only 262 lbs... Looks like only a few elite DL's in this years draft. May as well wait till round two if the all the elite DL's are gone at 24. I'm afraid BPA at 24 might end up being an OL, TE, DB or WR. None of which are huge needs. I just hope we don't reach too far.

01-29-2011, 12:24 PM	#140
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Danno Looks like only a few elite DL's in this years draft. May as well wait till round two if the all the elite DL's are gone at 24. I'm afraid BPA at 24 might end up being an OL, TE, DB or WR. None of which are huge needs. I just hope we don't reach too far. Actually the DL elites are quite numerous, just not to 24... We'd probably have to give up our No. 3 (the latter one/not redskin compensation pick) and trade our No. 1 to move up to the 13-16 area... But I agree with the reaching fear...