Sean Payton on Role of Chris Ivory.

Danno · 04-01-2011, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by BringTheWood

Our defense was clearly the weak link. We had no trouble scoring points, we had trouble stopping them.

We were ranked 11th best in offensive points scored per game

We were ranked 7th best in defensive points given up per game

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-01-2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by BringTheWood

Our RBs will be healthy, and between the 4 of them, including Lynell I think we can do good things. Our defense was clearly the weak link. We had no trouble scoring points, we had trouble stopping them.

I'm curious, what makes you think our RBs will be healthy this year? Do you see them getting tougher than they have been the past three seasons? Do you see other team's defenses getting weaker? Based on their historical records, the RBs being healthy this year is as likely as the Saints being able to draft Patrick Peterson with the 24th pick. The fact is this group of RBs has NEVER had a season where they didn't all miss games. Counting on it to be otherwise is a wish. Do you realize the last RB the team had suit up for all 16 games was Aaron Stecker in 2007?

I know that the defense wasn't stellar, but what about the 4th and 1 we couldn't convert in the playoff game against Seattle? What about the fact that the team was ranked 28th in the league in rushing yards per game and 24th in rushing TDs per game?

Look, I'm not saying the D doesn't need help, but it seems like many people are looking back on the feel good story of the undrafted Thomas and how he helped the team win it all and thinking it's going to happen again. Take off the rose colored glasses people! This isn't a re-run of Rudy! Being able to run the ball when you need to (and when the other team knows you need to) is very important in football. Quit nickle-and-diming the position and get a real RB!

SaintPauly · 04-02-2011, 04:36 PM

I think if Ingram is there at 24, you gotta take him. I don't see him lasting that long, but that would be ludicrous to pass him up. Ingram, Bush, Ivory, and Thomas? Are you freaking kidding me?

Danno · 04-02-2011, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Ingram over a stud OLB?...naw i will take P.T ..Bush Ivory and a good back in the later rounds..

Well Strat it all comes down to value.

If the front office feels there's not much difference between OLB#3 and OLB# 12, but Ingram is a top 10 talent, of course you take Ingram over a LB.

Conversely, if there's an OLB with an equal garde as Ingram, you take the LB.

It all depends on the Saints draft board. I personally feel that IF INGRAM SLIPS, he'll likely have a much higher grade than any other player when we pick.

Danno · 04-02-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by strato

OLB or bust

So you'd prefer a LB with a 3rd round grade over a stud 1st round RB?

jeanpierre · 04-02-2011, 07:08 PM

We need another RB; but not at the expense of a R1 pick.

First Round Picks, if a franchise is to be successful, must play 8-10 years for that franchise or get equal value in a trade.

Running backs with very, very few exceptions, only last 5-6 years nowadays...

Ingram is a good back; while he won't be there, the earliest I'd pick 'em is in late Round 2...

SapperSaint · 04-02-2011, 10:19 PM

Ivory has a history of being injured.

Reggie has a history of being injured.

PT..... well, I just don't believe the sprained ankle deal

I don't know guys and gals. I for one am tired of us running out of running backs; and then we go and shop for has-beens. JMO, my brothers and sisters.

SmashMouth · 04-03-2011, 06:24 PM

This dude was available to us a few years back ...
Clay Matthews, LB for the Green Bay Packers at NFL.com
We sure could use a guy like that if he were available at 24.

QBREES9 · 04-03-2011, 09:56 PM

He'll be a great one

saintsfan1976 · 04-03-2011, 09:58 PM

Still need another RB

04-01-2011, 03:44 PM	#11
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by BringTheWood Our defense was clearly the weak link. We had no trouble scoring points, we had trouble stopping them. We were ranked 11th best in offensive points scored per game We were ranked 7th best in defensive points given up per game

04-01-2011, 04:59 PM	#12
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by BringTheWood Our RBs will be healthy, and between the 4 of them, including Lynell I think we can do good things. Our defense was clearly the weak link. We had no trouble scoring points, we had trouble stopping them. I'm curious, what makes you think our RBs will be healthy this year? Do you see them getting tougher than they have been the past three seasons? Do you see other team's defenses getting weaker? Based on their historical records, the RBs being healthy this year is as likely as the Saints being able to draft Patrick Peterson with the 24th pick. The fact is this group of RBs has NEVER had a season where they didn't all miss games. Counting on it to be otherwise is a wish. Do you realize the last RB the team had suit up for all 16 games was Aaron Stecker in 2007? I know that the defense wasn't stellar, but what about the 4th and 1 we couldn't convert in the playoff game against Seattle? What about the fact that the team was ranked 28th in the league in rushing yards per game and 24th in rushing TDs per game? Look, I'm not saying the D doesn't need help, but it seems like many people are looking back on the feel good story of the undrafted Thomas and how he helped the team win it all and thinking it's going to happen again. Take off the rose colored glasses people! This isn't a re-run of Rudy! Being able to run the ball when you need to (and when the other team knows you need to) is very important in football. Quit nickle-and-diming the position and get a real RB!
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446

04-02-2011, 06:40 PM	#14
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by strato Ingram over a stud OLB?...naw i will take P.T ..Bush Ivory and a good back in the later rounds.. Well Strat it all comes down to value. If the front office feels there's not much difference between OLB#3 and OLB# 12, but Ingram is a top 10 talent, of course you take Ingram over a LB. Conversely, if there's an OLB with an equal garde as Ingram, you take the LB. It all depends on the Saints draft board. I personally feel that IF INGRAM SLIPS, he'll likely have a much higher grade than any other player when we pick.

04-02-2011, 06:50 PM	#15
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by strato OLB or bust So you'd prefer a LB with a 3rd round grade over a stud 1st round RB?

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SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	I think if Ingram is there at 24, you gotta take him. I don't see him lasting that long, but that would be ludicrous to pass him up. Ingram, Bush, Ivory, and Thomas? Are you freaking kidding me?

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SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Ivory has a history of being injured. Reggie has a history of being injured. PT..... well, I just don't believe the sprained ankle deal I don't know guys and gals. I for one am tired of us running out of running backs; and then we go and shop for has-beens. JMO, my brothers and sisters.

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