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TheEnigma 04-05-2011 11:02 AM

Mark Ingram to visit Saints on wednesday
 
RB Mark Ingram is scheduled to visit with New Orleans #Saints on Wednesday, a league source confirmed.

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dizzle88 04-05-2011 11:09 AM

I like this alot, I think this guy could help us greatly at RB. I'd rather have a defensive draft first, but it's still good news.

Danno 04-05-2011 11:34 AM

If he slips, he'll likely be the BPA at 24.

I doubt he slips but you have to consider all circumstances.

Beastmode 04-05-2011 12:26 PM

Yep Danno, unlikely but you never know. If he's still there I think the Saints would be smart to get him. I think the Pats would get him before us though if Miami passes. I don't think them bringing him in is a smoke screen either, he's a good back and could help immediately.

saintfan 04-05-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 292844)
If he slips, he'll likely be the BPA at 24.

I doubt he slips but you have to consider all circumstances.

Assuming he slipped I'd guess we should take him there? I mean, we all want defense in the 1st round, but no way this guy slips to our spot right?

BRSaintsFan 04-05-2011 01:23 PM

With the pass rush talent available in the late first round of this draft, my preference would be to get someone who can get to the opposing QB, but Ingram would be a great player to get.

st thomas 04-05-2011 02:12 PM

like everyone is saying he won't fall this far, he could be traded to us if thats what the front office is dealing up. it would have to be a draft pick trade only if theres no cba in tack. imo its the only way he falls from new england or miami etc, anything's possible but we need defence with 1st pick.

saintsfan1976 04-05-2011 07:14 PM

Speedy, edge-rusher - please.

foreverfan 04-05-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 292921)
Speedy, edge-rusher - please.

This guy has top 10 talent and if he drops to 24 the Saints will jump all over him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Saints trade with Miami if it didn't cost too much.

Being able to have a dominate running game would certainly help the defense. The real question is do you want to take the ball out of Brees's hands 20 times a game to give it to him? But if you thought play action worked good with Reggie Bush... you ain't seen nothin... :cool:

Choupique 04-05-2011 07:51 PM

i trust the management.

they won a super bowl.

whatever they decide upon is fine with me.

foreverfan 04-05-2011 08:33 PM

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Beastmode 04-05-2011 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 292922)
This guy has top 10 talent and if he drops to 24 the Saints will jump all over him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Saints trade with Miami if it didn't cost too much.

Being able to have a dominate running game would certainly help the defense. The real question is do you want to take the ball out of Brees's hands 20 times a game to give it to him? But if you thought play action worked good with Reggie Bush... you ain't seen nothin... :cool:

I agree, effective play action is something that is being down played.
Brees can only get us so far trying to fit it in tight windowns every game. If we go with what we have now the Saints will find themselves in a very similar situation as last season if you look at the law of averages. I hope for the best, but right now, their best is having 3 RB's that will not make it through an entire season.

Defense, we need ugrades but looking at the mock draft, once you get to 24 the players that look like they could could make a immediate impact are gone. Sure, we could get a good OLB or DE but as far as them coming in and making a big contribution I just don't see it.

Beastmode 04-05-2011 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 292961)
He will not be a Saint ..i garuntee it.

I went to HS with Justin Wilson's grandson. Is that you Francis?

saintsfan1976 04-06-2011 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 292922)
This guy has top 10 talent and if he drops to 24 the Saints will jump all over him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Saints trade with Miami if it didn't cost too much.

Being able to have a dominate running game would certainly help the defense. The real question is do you want to take the ball out of Brees's hands 20 times a game to give it to him? But if you thought play action worked good with Reggie Bush... you ain't seen nothin... :cool:

IF, AJ Green is there at 24 we should take him too... Not gonna happen either.

Beastmode 04-06-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 292997)
It would be hard to pass on Ingram if he were to drop to to 24...i would take him if he did...i just dont see it happening...

Looks like a longshot but I wouldn't be surprised if he's available.
In some mocks he's dropped below 24. Either way, there is a lot of value at RB this draft. Take Stevan Ridley, he's projected as a 4-6 rounder.
That right there tells me getting a rd 3 back is the rational decision. We have issues at RB but it's not that severe that we have to absolutely have Ingram or another top tier back.

foreverfan 04-06-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 293032)
Yeah DE and OLB are more of a need to me..

After last season, I don't see how anybody could say that.

B_Dub_Saint 04-06-2011 07:56 PM

There is no way that he will be available by the time we pick but this guy is a beast.

SaintPauly 04-07-2011 06:13 PM

Ingram is a game changer, and he is going to be a star in the NFL. I say if he's there, take him. This guy has all the intangibles. Passing on him would be a mistake.

foreverfan 04-07-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 293096)
?????????...lol..you maka no sense

Err... losing to the Seahawks had something to do with it....:rolleyes:

Beastmode 04-07-2011 09:36 PM

It's not that improbable. I agree he likely won't be there but like I said, several mock drafts have him dropping below 24. If he is there the Saints will get him. To think Ivory and PT will magically heal and make an entire season, and that Bush will run up the middle like never before. That is improbable.

foreverfan 04-07-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 293275)
To think Ivory and PT will magically heal and make an entire season, and that Bush will run up the middle like never before. That is improbable.

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Beastmode 04-07-2011 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 293276)

I did. He said Goodell is about to start testing for that as well.

st thomas 04-07-2011 10:52 PM

i've heard he runs alot like emmit, jerry licking chops grabs ingram way early.which would suit us just fine. s.t. thinking again watch out.

foreverfan 04-08-2011 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 293288)
I did. He said Goodell is about to start testing for that as well.

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st thomas 04-08-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 293307)
Yep..their D pretty solid...but that O-line ..i can see Ingram being their pick..

yep strato there saying there going o-line but the whole nfl is a bluffing game.

Rugby Saint II 04-08-2011 02:15 PM

It seems like the general consensus is to take him if available. Otherwise it's BPA.
EDIT: He would be the best player available.:p

Beastmode 04-08-2011 03:32 PM

I will say this, Miami has bigger concerns, mainly QB. Henne is a walking band-aid, and Thigpen is a career backup. Getting Ingram won't help that situation. They already have a decent ground attack, older yes, but not completely washed up. We may not get Ingram but I think he will drop a lot further than people think.

BRSaintsFan 04-13-2011 10:47 AM

Miami is the only team I could see grabbing him before we would get the opportunity. QB is a big need for them, but at 15 Newton and Gabbert would be gone and I dont see Locker going that high.

44Champs 04-13-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 293290)
i've heard he runs alot like emmit, jerry licking chops grabs ingram way early.which would suit us just fine. s.t. thinking again watch out.

yup - something about him reminds me of emmitt. he's not the fastest, the biggest or the quickest, but he has good vision and he doesn't go down after the first hit. what made emmitt so good is that no one could ever get a good clean shot on him. i'm not sure if that's the same with ingram.

Danno 04-13-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 293852)
yup - something about him reminds me of emmitt. he's not the fastest, the biggest or the quickest, but he has good vision and he doesn't go down after the first hit. what made emmitt so good is that no one could ever get a good clean shot on him. i'm not sure if that's the same with ingram.


Yep, he's a beast

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?categoryid=2564308&id=4804143

foreverfan 04-13-2011 12:59 PM

They had me after Emmitt...

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papz 04-13-2011 05:32 PM

I would not hesitate to take him in the second... but he just isn't for me in the first round. I just can't wrap my head around this selection no matter which angle I look at it. =/

Danno 04-13-2011 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 293909)
I would not hesitate to take him in the second... but he just isn't for me in the first round. I just can't wrap my head around this selection no matter which angle I look at it. =/






+1..since we signed PT..probably will have Bush and all the faith i have in Ivory...i want D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bng:

Our defense outshined our offense last year and I personally have zero faith that Ivory can stay healthy since he hasn't for 5 straight years and I think its pretty clear now that Bush isn't a running back.

We have Pierre Thomas and no one else, and even PT has a few question marks.

foreverfan 04-13-2011 08:54 PM

I agree with Danno. Ingram is a no brainer. We can get defense in the later rounds and FAcy.

SapperSaint 04-13-2011 09:21 PM

we don't have a RB that can play more than 10 games. We need a RB.

papz 04-14-2011 08:06 AM

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Our defense outshined our offense last year and I personally have zero faith that Ivory can stay healthy since he hasn't for 5 straight years and I think its pretty clear now that Bush isn't a running back.

We have Pierre Thomas and no one else, and even PT has a few question marks.
While I don't think it's 100% given that we bring Bush back, both sides seem to want to get a deal worked out. I do think they'll get something done and he'll be in a Saints uni next year if we have a season. With that said...

Would you (this is to everyone not just Danno) still be in favor of selecting Ingram with our first round pick knowing that Bush, PT, and Ivory are all on the roster for the next few years?

Danno 04-14-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 293967)
While I don't think it's 100% given that we bring Bush back, both sides seem to want to get a deal worked out. I do think they'll get something done and he'll be in a seasons uni next year if we have a season. With that said...

Would you (this is to everyone not just Danno) still be in favor of selecting Ingram with our first round pick knowing that Bush, PT, and Ivory are all on the roster for the next few years?

Absolutely. Ivory hasn't proved anything other than he runs really hard and has gotten hurt in every game he's ever played in.

Bush isn't a RB, but a decent change of pace scat back.

PT is a pretty solid RB.

foreverfan 04-14-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 293967)
While I don't think it's 100% given that we bring Bush back, both sides seem to want to get a deal worked out. I do think they'll get something done and he'll be in a Saints uni next year if we have a season. With that said...

Would you (this is to everyone not just Danno) still be in favor of selecting Ingram with our first round pick knowing that Bush, PT, and Ivory are all on the roster for the next few years?



Let's look at our RB situation....
  • Bush can't finish a run much less a season.
  • Ivory injury history goes back to college.
  • PT's injury may have been a fluke last year.
Answer this question... are any of the RBs tradable? Didn't think so.
Adding Ingram to this group is a no brainer.

Ingram makes every player on the offense better.
A healthy running game keeps the defense off the field.
We would have never won the SB without a healthy PT & Bush.
You can never have enough RBs. Last year proved that.

I'd love a DL or LB but are we going to pass on Eddie George for Alex Molden again? :???:

I bet if we don't take him, the Pats aren't stupid to pass on him.

Danno 04-14-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 293983)
Hey Ivory will be fine..look at Ricky Williams..he was hurt a lot ..and he did just fine...you guys wanting O..should go be falcon fans...lol:D

I don't want O necessarily, but if an A-plus offensive player is there at 24, and nothing but B-minus defensive players, we'd be idiots to pick defense.

Teams that reach usually end up picking very high in the draft year after year.

papz 04-14-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 293977)
Let's look at our RB situation....
  • Bush can't finish a run much less a season.
  • Ivory injury history goes back to college.
  • PT's injury may have been a fluke last year.
Answer this question... are any of the RBs tradable? Didn't think so.

My answer to that would be yes. The Patriots were interested in PT last season... and with the reasonable(cheap in my opinion) contract he signed last season, it shouldn't deter any team from trading for him. Though fragile, Ivory is cheap and productive. So yes... he absolutely is tradeable. Bush at a reduced rate around 3 million a year, should garner interest also. Discounting whether or not he's produces the field, his name generates a lot of revenue.

So yea... all three have value and are tradeable.

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Adding Ingram to this group is a no brainer.
Taking a Von Miller, Dareus, Robert Quinn at 24 would be a no-brainer. If Ingram is there at 24, it's only a discussion.

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Ingram makes every player on the offense better.
Not if he doesn't get the snaps... which personally is my main sticking point for not taking him there at 24.

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A healthy running game keeps the defense off the field.
We would have never won the SB without a healthy PT & Bush.
You can never have enough RBs. Last year proved that.
Let's not forget Ingram has his own question marks and concerns about his health... and the knee being the culprit. I agree you can never have enough running backs but with that said, there are other avenues that we can explore finding another back... not regulated to our first round pick.

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I'd love a DL or LB but are we going to pass on Eddie George for Alex Molden again? :???:
If we're going to pass on Mark Ingram, then we would be passing on Mark Ingram. Not Eddie George... not Emmitt Smith. Let's not give the kid that much credit just yet.

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I bet if we don't take him, the Pats aren't stupid to pass on him.
Given that the two backs on their roster now is BGE and Danny Woodhead, it would be pretty stupid to not take a back in the draft. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be with their first pick or that it has to be Mark Ingram. Guys like Mikel Leshoure and Ryan Williams are both quite talented that could be better value for them if they want to address their need at OLB and DE.


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