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jeanpierre 06-09-2011 09:46 PM

Most Overated Saint, Most Underrated Saint
 
Found this column amusing...

Per Pete Prisco of CBS Sportsline the most overrated and underrated Saints players:

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Overrated: RT Jon Stinchcomb. He's a decent player, but he gets Pro Bowl votes every year. That I don't see.

Underrated: S Malcolm Jenkins. He became a full-time starter last season and made Saints fans forget about Darren Sharper. A former corner, he has the range needed to play in this era of wide-open football.


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dizzle88 06-10-2011 02:26 AM

Overrated - Scott Shanle

Underrated - Malcolm Jenkins, David Thomas

jcp026 06-10-2011 03:43 AM

The obvious overrated answer is Reggie Bush, but that's too easy. I don't see what everyone else sees in Jo-Lonn Dunbar.

Underrated: Marvin Mitchell. I wasn't a fan, but he seemed to play really well last year.

Saint_LB 06-10-2011 06:37 AM

Overrated- Dang...wish the Shockster was still around! :) Gonna agree with Prissy on this one...Stinky gets my vote. Not trying to put him down but I couldn't think of anyone else more worthy...on the current roster.

Underrated- My gut tells me to go with Lance Moore. I think if he and Welker would have swapped teams for the last 5 years or so...Moore would be a superstar and nobody would know who Welker was.

I got confirmation of 1 of 2 possible things. Believe it or not...I had to google to come up with Moore's name. Now...the 1st possibility is simply because of the topic of this thread...he is underrated so much that his name doesn't just pop into my head.

The 2nd possibility is that I am an old fart and should not start my day doing certain things...:)

(You see...Mike...it is OK for me to call myself names...:) )

Danno 06-10-2011 07:06 AM

Overrated - There's Bush, and then there's everyone else. No one else is even close.

Honorable mention
Stinchcomb (Over-rated by the media, under-rated by Saints fans)
Ivory (awesome talent, but too frequently hurt)


UnderratedCarl Nicks (he's our BEST O-lineman and has been for a year)
Pierre Thomas (our best RB for several years now)

Danno 06-10-2011 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 303831)
An undrafted rookie that lead the team in rushing?...naw no overration there..sorry dude..:cool:

Depends on your definition of over-rated.

Listening to Saints fans you swear the dude was Earl Campbell, Adrian Peterson and Bo Jackson all rolled into one.

papz 06-10-2011 08:21 AM

Overrated - Bush
Underrated - Moore

Quote:

Stinchcomb (Over-rated by the media, under-rated by Saints fans)
+1

Danno 06-10-2011 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 303837)
Your basing his being overrated because of injury...the same could be said about P.T...:rolleyes:

Saints fans never speak of PT they way they speak of Ivory. Not even close.

Danno 06-10-2011 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 303848)
Thats BS Danno...lol:D.. Ivory has been with the team for one season...how could you put him on the overrated list?...i can see you putting Bush ...thats a givin..but Ivory?....thats just crazy Danno...lol:p

OK, how about this...

Underrated by the media, overrated by many Saints fans.

Danno 06-10-2011 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 303853)
LOL...how when he is 4th among the backs that we all talk about...

Ingram
P.T
Bush
Ivory...

If anything he is underrated by Saints fans:doh:

Many have said he was our best RB, when healthy. That can not be denied.
I've said it myself quite a few times.

Speedy Ron 06-10-2011 01:36 PM

over rated- sharper, $h!tle, stenchcomb
under rated- dave thomas, lance moore, jenkins

Speedy Ron 06-10-2011 01:38 PM

i also think there maybe a little too much hype about martez wilson. i hope im wrong. just my gut feeling.

73Saint 06-10-2011 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 303880)
i also think there maybe a little too much hype about martez wilson. i hope im wrong. just my gut feeling.


I hope you are wrong, too!!

CantonLegend 06-10-2011 04:14 PM

stinch is one of the best right tackles in the entire league. saying hes overrated is a complete joke

galette is the definition of an overrated player. hasnt shown a thing but continues to get enormous amounts of praise from fans

underrated has got to be stinch this offseason but aside from the ridiculous accusations of his decline, id say that carl nicks is the most underrated saint followed closely by david thomas. nicks is the best guard in the league IMO and david thomas has been our best and most consistant TE

not only that but he had the versatility to play fullback when we needed him to as well

Luda34 06-10-2011 04:21 PM

Overrated-Jabari Greer
Underrated-Lance Moore

jeanpierre 06-10-2011 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 303894)
stinch is one of the best right tackles in the entire league. saying hes overrated is a complete joke

galette is the definition of an overrated player. hasnt shown a thing but continues to get enormous amounts of praise from fans

underrated has got to be stinch this offseason but aside from the ridiculous accusations of his decline, id say that carl nicks is the most underrated saint followed closely by david thomas. nicks is the best guard in the league IMO and david thomas has been our best and most consistant TE

not only that but he had the versatility to play fullback when we needed him to as well

HolySchiotski BatMan!

Look who showed up to the party!

jeanpierre 06-10-2011 06:42 PM

Overrated - Roman Harper (You can geaux to a ProBowl and still be caught from behind by a QB not named Vick?!?)

Underrated - Carl Nicks (With Jahri Evans slacking, he is the best OL, in the League); Malcolm Jenkins (though I'd wanted to draft Matthews, this guy is really getting ready to launch to the next level)

Underappreciated - Scott Shanle (Watch the Film, Gumbys)

Misunderstood - Reginald Alfred "Reggie" Bush II (With all the bashing, expectations have come back down to Planet Houston, Return of the Jedi Time)

Overpaid - Nah, Not Gonna Geaux There

WhoDat!656 06-10-2011 07:36 PM

If Shanle is so over-rated like a lot of Saints fans like to say, why hasn't ANYONE taken the starting position from him?

Go ahead. I'll wait...........

Speedy Ron 06-10-2011 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 303915)
If Shanle is so over-rated like a lot of Saints fans like to say, why hasn't ANYONE taken the starting position from him?

Go ahead. I'll wait........... YouTube - ‪Cricket Sound‬‏

cause thats how sad or LB corp is...

Speedy Ron 06-10-2011 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 303894)
stinch is one of the best right tackles in the entire league. saying hes overrated is a complete joke

galette is the definition of an overrated player. hasnt shown a thing but continues to get enormous amounts of praise from fans

underrated has got to be stinch this offseason but aside from the ridiculous accusations of his decline, id say that carl nicks is the most underrated saint followed closely by david thomas. nicks is the best guard in the league IMO and david thomas has been our best and most consistant TE

not only that but he had the versatility to play fullback when we needed him to as well

than call me a funny guy. last year he was terrible. he was outplayed by bushrod. he was consistently getting beat every game. he had about 3-4 good seasons and started declining last year. hopefully for the sake of the team he is better this year, but if you think he had a good season last year you might be blind.

Crusader 06-11-2011 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 303914)
Overrated - Roman Harper (You can geaux to a ProBowl and still be caught from behind by a QB not named Vick?!?)

Underrated - Carl Nicks (With Jahri Evans slacking, he is the best OL, in the League); Malcolm Jenkins (though I'd wanted to draft Matthews, this guy is really getting ready to launch to the next level)

Underappreciated - Scott Shanle (Watch the Film, Gumbys)

Misunderstood - Reginald Alfred "Reggie" Bush II (With all the bashing, expectations have come back down to Planet Houston, Return of the Jedi Time)

Overpaid - Nah, Not Gonna Geaux There


I agree with most everything you said. Shanle is no worldbeater but better than what folks believe. I really hope Stinch gets back to form this year or he might get pushed aside by Charlie Brown.

dizzle88 06-11-2011 06:25 AM

We still need an upgrade over shanle though, hopefully casillas takes his spot and martez Wilson gets the other starting spot.
Shanle is very average, however all i can remember is him getting torched so much in the super bowl that roman harper had to cover Dallas Clark eventually.

hitta 06-11-2011 10:29 AM

Overrated: Roman Harper
Underrated: Carl Nicks

RaginCajun83 06-11-2011 11:26 AM

Overrated: Roman Harper, Stinchcomb, Bushrod

Underrated: Nicks, Moore, Jenkins

Danno 06-11-2011 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 303967)
Overrated: Roman Harper, Stinchcomb, Bushrod

Underrated: Nicks, Moore, Jenkins

How is Bushrod overrated? Nearly everyone thinks he's the weak link among the O-line and probably our worst starter on offense.

Is it because he's even worse than sucks?

CantonLegend 06-11-2011 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 303923)
than call me a funny guy. last year he was terrible. he was outplayed by bushrod. he was consistently getting beat every game. he had about 3-4 good seasons and started declining last year. hopefully for the sake of the team he is better this year, but if you think he had a good season last year you might be blind.

I'd love for you to teach me one thing about linemen that I dont already know. I make a point to watch them every game and I talk about them more than anyone else for a reason. Telling me that he stunk is like sayin Bigfoot exists cuz you have absolutely no proof to backup your ridiculous claims. In fact most of the accusations against him are based on a misguided notion that the entire line regressed but if you actually do the math you'll see the line did just as well as the previous seasons. I'm afraid ppl are too cautious to place the blame on the ppl that are really at fault.... Drew and Payton

TheDeuce 06-11-2011 04:54 PM

Overrated: Stinchcomb, Mount Cody (not a Saint, but way overrated)
Underrated: Colston. This cat has never made a Pro Bowl? Ridiculous. He's never mentioned with the elite in the NFL even though he should be. The reason? He's a humble young man who bring his lunch pail everyday and doesn't draw attention to himself like people expect from big-time WRs. Not that they have a clue, but ESPN ranks him as the 13th best receiver in the game... behind Roddy White? Steve Smith? Please.

breesfan27 06-11-2011 07:26 PM

As much as I love Reggie, I will agree he is overrated. Definitely not worth what we pay him.

I'll also agree Malcolm Jenkins and Lance Moore are two of the most underrated players on our roster. Both have been standouts at their positions and their stocks are rising.

foreverfan 06-11-2011 09:46 PM

Overrated....

http://rookery.s3.amazonaws.com/9850...d_625x1000.jpg

Underrated...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/495881_ecd9fdd5f7.jpg

Speedy Ron 06-12-2011 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 303983)
I'd love for you to teach me one thing about linemen that I dont already know. I make a point to watch them every game and I talk about them more than anyone else for a reason. Telling me that he stunk is like sayin Bigfoot exists cuz you have absolutely no proof to backup your ridiculous claims. In fact most of the accusations against him are based on a misguided notion that the entire line regressed but if you actually do the math you'll see the line did just as well as the previous seasons. I'm afraid ppl are too cautious to place the blame on the ppl that are really at fault.... Drew and Payton


i think what you dont know is recordable stats. i cant find the end of season stats that i had at the end of last year where stinch had the most allowed sack and most penalties. all i can find is mid season stats that show him still leading in penalties and sacks allowed. i admit he was playing good but as i said before this last season he was at the bottom of the list on OUR O line. league wise...he prob is an above average player. on our team the stats show him not as good as the others.
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Saint_LB 06-13-2011 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 304143)
Ok Canton is the official O-Line coach....lol

Yes...o-line coach, GM, president of the US...whatever he wants to be. Please keep him happy. I think he's been gone for awhile. Let's keep him back...or more importantly...keep him from getting mad and changing his avatar back to you know what.

papz 06-14-2011 09:09 AM

Carl Nicks, guard: Nicks might be the best guard in football, or he might be the second-best guard on his team behind Jahri Evans. That is debatable, but what is not debatable is that Nicks does not get his due in the public eye. His movement skills for his size (318 pounds) are amazing. He is quick to recover when beaten, can pull and trap and is a good blocker in space hitting a smaller target. Nicks is a very good pass-blocker, but he is just an animal in the run game. If the Saints need a tough yard, they should run behind Nicks, even more so than Evans.

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st thomas 06-14-2011 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 304180)
I think our O-Line is above average...but ..they regressed last year..Drew had less time and no holes for the RBs..Ivory had to make his holes for the most part...i hope Charlie Brown can contribute this season...I like Stinch..but think we could improve on that side..JMHO

strato, u hit it. charles brown must step up or we'll be going o-line with the second pick in 2012.

beau13 06-15-2011 01:57 PM

I agree that Stinch had a down year. If you look at his stats from previous years, last year was a nightmare for him. Maybe the injury (detached quad) and the movement of another official in the backfield had something to do with last year. Penalties were up across the line. Hopefully stinch will come back 100% and have a good year. He is the leader of this line.

Marlboro Man 06-20-2011 07:47 AM

Most Overrated: Stinchcomb, Bushrod, Shanle, Harper.

Most Underrated: Dave Thomas, Patrick Peterson, Sedrick Ellis

Danno 06-20-2011 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 305084)
Most Overrated: Stinchcomb, Bushrod, Shanle, Harper.

Most Underrated: Dave Thomas, Patrick Peterson, Sedrick Ellis

Man I wish.

neugey 06-21-2011 04:36 PM

Most Overrated: Drew Brees
Most Underrated: Drew Brees

:)


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