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1. Steve McNair TEN 13 364 28.0 233 64.0 2947 226.7 59 22 6 19 108 102.4
2. Peyton Manning IND 14 505 36.1 341 67.5 3901 278.6 79 28 9 15 88 101.6
3. Trent Green KC 14 458 32.7 293 64.0 3653 260.9 67 23 9 19 122 97.2
4. Jon Kitna CIN 14 456 32.6 285 62.5 3214 229.6 82 25 11 31 215 91.8
5. Matt Hasselbeck SEA 14 452 32.3 272 60.2 3347 239.1 80 23 12 39 226 89.0
6. Aaron Brooks NO 14 448 32.0 269 60.0 3007 214.8 69 21 8 31 178 88.3

It has been stated many times that Aaron Brooks is receiving top-5 money and isn't ranked in the top 5 in QB rankings. While it is still true that Brooks isn't ranked in the top 5, Brooks is now ranked 6th in the entire NFL and 2nd in the NFC. I did not include QB's that have not at least attempted 300 passes. I feel those QB's have missed too many games and their stats are skewed.

I never agreed with the arguement that Brooks needed to be ranked in the top 5 to justify being our starting QB, but I thought this would make some folks happy. Do ya feel better now? Top 6 good enough?


Stat Source -- NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/...G/2003/regular


While we're at it. Let me shoot another arguement down. It's also been stated Brooks hasn't improved this year?

2002-- Aaron Brooks NO 16 528 33.0 283 53.6 3572 208.5 64 27 15 36 236 80.1
2003-- Aaron Brooks NO 14 448 32.0 269 60.0 3007 214.8 69 21 8 31 178 88.3

I'd call cutting your int. rate almost in half, raising your completion percentage by 7% and overall QB rating by 8-points improvement. Ya think?


How ya want to spin this WhoDat? I repect your spin ability. I expect your best effort on this. LMAO......... :P











[Edited on 16/12/2003 by BillyC]

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Are you THAT obsessive?
You\'re kinda scary, you work for the post office?

Shootin' down another arguement.......(WhoDat)
 

Yes and No.

Shootin' down another arguement.......(WhoDat)
 

No, but he played one on TV! :P

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Well, Through snow, rain, sleet or hail, I still deliever -- LOL ;)

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All in fun Gator. I don\'t take this stuff that seriously anymore. People have their opinions. More power to \'em. I\'m just playin\' around with WhoDat. If folks wanna gang up on me.........then it\'s ok. :D

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Will.......resist...........temptation.................to......................get..............sucked..........in.............by......................Gator...............LMAO...........

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Billy, I gotta ask...what do you do all day? Please don\'t take any offense by this, but I\'m just wondering, considering the amount of times you post and all the time you take to research these stats.

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He\'s got to be Billy C Tauzin, only a congressman would have that kind of time.

Your tax dollars at work folks. ;)

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LOL!

Is he still the chairman of the House Commerce Committee? If so, we\'re doomed :P

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I have an office equipement company. B&G is just my side job. It would be hard for me to be a Louisiana congressman, considering I live in Mississippi. But, y\'all can send in contributions it ya want.......... :P

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Wow Billy C I love how you always post up QB ratings to compare AB to the elite of the NFL. Too bad FUMBLES don\'t factor into QB ratings. That would give AB alot more than 8 turnovers this year.

Also Billy, I loved your falsifing some of the statistics on Delhomme last week. I know you said you just got them off of another post but still one has to wonder.

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that is untill AB has another horrible game.

You are such a contradiction. You\'re like the kid in middle school who picks on everyone else then when people pick back you go off to tell the teacher. Just can\'t take your own medicine.

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I love how you go after me. I\'m not the one who said Brooks needed to be in the top 5 in quarterback rankings. I also provided a link to the Jake Delhomme stats. I don\'t make things up. I\'m guilty of not verifing the stats, but that\'s about it.

If you have a problem with the way QB\'s are ranked, you should talk to the NFL about that, not me. I don\'t make the criteria up.



[Edited on 16/12/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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you chose criteria that doesn\'t tell the whole story. You post the stats, print up the \"8\" ints in bold to prove your point but completely leave out the # of fumbles. And the only reason I\'m \"going after you\" is b/c of how you present yourself on this board. AB has a few weeks of bad games and you\'re saying that you are taking a break from the board, everyone is out to get me. AB has ONE monster game and you are back everyone who thought differently than you. If you wouldn\'t present yourself as such , people would actually listen to what you have to say and respect your opinions even if it differed from their own. Then we could actually have a good debate with you, but whenever someone (at least when I do this) brings up counter points to your statements, YOU rarely bring any substantial counters. Most of the time on . Then, of course, anytime , you were just \"joking around\". Yeah that line is getting old. Billy C. I personally like the fact that the board doesn\'t agree. I actually like the fact that you tend to have the polar opposite opinion to my own. It gives everyone something to debate about. Still the way you come off , annoys the hell out of me.

[Edited on 16/12/2003 by seraph33]

No need for personal attacking.

[Edited on 16/12/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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seraph33 -- Again, you go after me and bring nothing substantive to what the topic is about. Which is, AB is ranked # 6 in the NFL. I\'ll not be sucked into personal attacks or anything that will remotely resemble that. Who cares what you think of me or anyone else. I can send you my personal e-mail or better yet my address, if you would like to tell me in person what you think of me? I\'ll continue to post

You seem to be confused and think my post was about Brooks fumbling the ball. It wasn\'t!! It was about Brooks improvement in the passing game. It was about Brooks being ranked where so many have said he needed to be.

Been there. Done that.

[Edited on 16/12/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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Joe,

I saw you edited my posts. I think I kept them very clean. I don\'t mind that you edited the way you saw fit though. I\'m really trying. You have actually gotten very good at editing the posts and making them still make sense. Sometimes too good at it -- ;)

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Haven\'t any of you figured it out yet??!!! BillyC is really Haslett! Look at all his stats and arguments over the coarse of this board. Who does he defend the most?? Why does it seem like he\'s obsessive?? It\'s because he is really Haslett! Only Haslett would have this much time on his hands, check our team\'s record, he\'s not spending that much time coaching. Back away Haslett, go to the chaclkboard...let\'s try to make the playoffs...do some coaching....

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It\'s ok Cassady37. You will be ok.

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Now..insert \"Brooks\" where Cassady37 is and you\'ll see what I say is true!

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So by saying that you are implying that Those stats alone are an accurate gauge of how good our QB is, therefore I guess the 10 or so fumbles really have no bearing on how good Aaron Brooks is. Again you are simply ignoring the FACTS that would hurt your argument.

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I said improvement in PASSING GAME. My post had NOTHING to do with fumbling. Just like it had nothing to do with Brooks ability to run the ball, which doesn\'t show up in the passer rating. Is this really hard to follow?

Shootin' down another arguement.......(WhoDat)
 

Billy what was the purpose of your post? What did you aim to get accomplished when starting this thread?

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First of all, it has been stated by several memeber that:

1. Brooks needs to be ranked in the top 5 to justify earning his money.

2. He hasn\'t improved in the passing game.


This post was also for WhoDat. It\'s clearly on the title. I don\'t mind if other folks comment, but it certainly wasn\'t meant to excuse Brooks from his fumbling. Nor, was it posted to start a war.

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Ok i just wanted you to acknowledge Brook\'s fumbling b/c the post does imply that Brooks is among the NFL elite, focusing on his completion % and ints. but ignoring the fact that he has committed 10 or so fumbles which certainly counts as turnovers on his part. That would certainly lower him on the list. I will still argue that he hasn\'t improved in the passing game enough despite his #\'s. Until last week Duece was carrying the load for our offense. When you have a RB that is racking up 100 yard games like Duece was, your passing game should do better than 6 passing TD\'s over the past 6 games before the Giants game. (yes i know that was a run on sentence)

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seraph33 --

This post was only to show that in the PASSING game that Brooks is in the ELITE QB\'s in the league. At least as far as the NFL ranks them. If we are going to put our own spin on how the passer rating work, then I could bring up all sorts of stuff, like Brooks avoiding sacks, running the ball, etc, etc...

There is no doubt in my mind that Brooks is NOT to the level where most of the other QB\'s are. Hoever, that was not my intent nor did I ever imply that. That\'s just the way some members read into it.

I\'m not trying to fool anyone here. I\'m simply saying Brooks has indeed improved in the passing game. If someone doesn\'t agree.........That\'s cool. I don\'t expect everyone to agree. Just tell me why and we can talk about it or not.


[Edited on 16/12/2003 by BillyC]

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Tired of this argument about whether Brooks is good or not. Most of those who watch the game be they fans, commentators, experts, or board-trolls all feel that AB is inconsistent; one week helping the team, the next week single-handedly losing the game for the Saints.

One-dimensional stats, and arguments that improvement in one facet of play (completion percentage) result in an overall improvement will not change that. Until AB plays consistent football, be it good or bad, he will always be regarded as a mediocre, below-average QB. This will continue despite the endless-seeming spin-doctoring to try (in vain) to convince other people to ignore what their own eyes and ears have told them the whole time.

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When looking at Brooks play this year, I see a QB that has improved drastically in the passing game. I also see a QB that leads the league in fumbling. I think the fumbling has overshadowed his improvement in the passing game. It\'s really ashamed that Brooks has had the fumbling problem this year, because otherwise, he\'s had a very good year.

You just don\'t throw 21TD\'s, only 8 int\'s, complete 60% of your passes, and have the best TD to Int. ratio by blind luck. People want to talk about Brooks being inconsistant, but those are the stats for 14-games. Passer rating reflects consistancy or inconsistancy in the PASSING game. So, I think it\'s off base to say Brooks has been inconsistant in the passing game. There is no arguement to be made that he has been inconsistant in the passing game. If there is, I\'d like to hear it?????

Now, fumbling the ball, I will give you that. This has been a problem. These have cost us 2 games. These losses fall squarley on the shoulders of Aaron Brooks. It has also killed drives in other games. It\'s completely over shadowed anything else Brooks has done.

I think the question is if fans believe Brooks can cut the fumbling out and still put up the numbers that he has this year. If you don\'t think Brooks can stop fumbling the ball, I\'ll have to ask why? I would also like a good logical answer??

It seems all anyone wants to say it that Brooks has been \"consistantly inconsistant.\" Yet, they don\'t say what he\'s been inconsistant at. Can someone answer that for me?





[Edited on 17/12/2003 by BillyC]

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Gator,

Let\'s see......................

I can talk trash with Gator, OR, I can wait for him to talk about something relevant to the subject at hand. I\'ll wait.

Shootin' down another arguement.......(WhoDat)
 

Nice to see things haven\'t changed while I was gone. Billy, can you show me the stat for consistency? How about the one for opponents points off of turnovers?

You\'re unreal sometimes man, and b/c A) I\'m busy, and B) I really don\'t want to get back into this debate for the millionth time, I won\'t go dig up the quotes from you after the Tampa game. You\'re ready to bench the guy after the Tampa game, and then he plays well and you\'re posting stas about how he\'s a top fiver. Well which is it Billy? Of recent, your opinion about the guy has been about as consistent as his play. LOL.

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There\'s a big difference in the way I look at a QB than you WhoDat. I can see that Brooks CLEARLY has PASSED the ball like a top level QB. I can also see that he leads the league in fumbles. So, exaclty what has he been inconsistant about?

He hasn\'t been inconsistant fumbling the ball, becuase it\'s done it consistantly.

He hasn\'t been inconsistant in the passing game, as his passer rating reflects.

But, you are however right. It\'s no use in discussing this, because you don\'t have any ammo.............. :P

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LMAO! Great argument. You\'re right, I concede Billy. AB does fumble the ball consistently more than other QBs in the league. Clearly, he is worth the money. :casstet: