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BillyC 12-17-2003 07:29 AM

Interesting fact thread.
 
1. Saints are 6-3 over the last 9 games.

2. Lead the league in 3rd conversion rate. 47.2%

3. Converted more 3rd downs than anyone else. (94)

4. Jim Haslett coached team only has 4 more penalties than Bill Parcells coached team. (Saints 92 to Dallas 88.)

5. Saints offense ranks 9th in total yard per game in NFL. (342.6)

6. Saints defense rank 5th in passing yards allowed. (2,595)

7. Saints defense has held oppents to 20 points or less 9 times.

8. Aaron Brooks has been sacked 37 times. (7th most in NFL)

9. Aaron Brooks is 11th in NFL in passing yardage. (3,007)

10. Aaron Brooks is rated 6th in NFL in passer rating, with QB's that have attempted 300 or more passes. (88.3)

11. Aaron Brooks is ranked 8th in TD passes in NFL. (21)

12. Deuce is ranked 3rd in NFL in rushing. (1,542)

[Edited on 17/12/2003 by BillyC]

BayouCajun 12-17-2003 07:50 AM

Interesting fact thread.
 
That is all great and everything, but if you don\'t remember the Saints are 7-7 and mostly likely will not make the playoff. So I guess we are the best average team out there.

DarkSaint504 12-17-2003 07:52 AM

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We lost several key games early to mid season due to the fact the Saints have been out coached. We wait until the season is on the line to produce. I’ve always said our coaching is pitiful. AB’s game is what we saw Sunday night. If we had started the season like that we would have been in the thick of the playoff hunt. Now we are wishing and hoping for a berth. The Saints coaches are directly the blame

lynwood 12-17-2003 07:59 AM

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The only stat that means anything, and Deuce will back this up, is the wins vs the losses.

BillyC 12-17-2003 08:02 AM

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LMAO -- :P

We have some angry fan\'s out there. I with y\'all though. Wins are the only thing that matter. Just posting some \"interesting facts\"

I hope we make the playoffs next year, cause it\'s basically over this year.

BlackandBlue 12-17-2003 08:19 AM

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1. But we were 1-5 over the previous 6 games.

2. Easy enough when you have Deuce hitting the holes for 5 yards a pop on 1st and 2nd downs.

3. Easy when you are 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2, thanks to the running game

4. We should- we have better players on our team than the Cowboys do.

5. Where do we rank in touchdowns?

6. Teams tend to stick with running the ball, when it works.

7. Alot better than last year.

8. Not touching this one

9. or this one

10. or this one

11. or this one

12. Yeah, baby, kick that ass!!!

Danno 12-17-2003 08:32 AM

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The only stat that means anything, and Deuce will back this up, is the wins vs the losses.
Stats mean a lot of things.
\"Stats are meaningless\" is a macho cliche used incorrectly too often.
Stats can tell you where many of your problems lie.
If stats were meaningless how could you identify areas that need to be addressed, and areas that don\'t?

Stats tell me we probably don\'t need to draft a RB in the 1st round.
Stats tell me Brooks has played pretty good.
Stats tell me Brooks needs to work on holding on to the ball.
Stats tell me early injuries probably cost this team a playoff spot.
Stats tell me we need to work more on pass protection.
Stats tell me our linebackers aren\'t making enough plays.
Stats tell me our WR\'s drop too many balls.

Stats tell me this team is indeed improving.
Stats tell me this team needs to improve more.

WTF does \"the only stat that matters is 7-7\" mean?
Since we\'re 7-7 should we replace the whole team?

Does Deuce McAllister suck?
Should we replace him?
After all we\'re 7-7 aren\'t we? And thats the only stat that matters! Cut the loser!

BlackandBlue 12-17-2003 08:39 AM

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HAHAHAHAHA, sounds like tweeky blew a fuse this morning. Need more fiber in your diet? :P

BillyC 12-17-2003 08:41 AM

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Danno -- I thought that was hilarious.

B&B -- I agree with a lot of what you said.

Danno 12-17-2003 08:52 AM

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HAHAHAHAHA, sounds like tweeky blew a fuse this morning. Need more fiber in your diet? :P
I guess I haven\'t quite got into the Christmas spirit yet.
Sorry for the rant.

BayouCajun 12-17-2003 09:41 AM

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Yah, that is right, we are 7-7 and something needs to be done. But wait our stats look great. :casstet:

Stats tell me what DarkSaint504 said, the player might not be the problem.

Here\'s the thing, are the Saints finally coming together as a team, as a unit, playing like a top ranked team in the NFL. I don\'t know if it just looked that way against the Giants because they sucked, or they are playing better football, as a team not just Brooks. The next two weeks should say something.



Danno 12-17-2003 09:50 AM

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Quote:

The next two weeks should say something.
Definately. Jacksonville is an up and coming team with a fantastic defense. They\'ve lost a lot of close games. Lately they\'ve look great.
If we think its a gimme game we could get wiped out.
Del Rio has done a fantastic job, as most of us knew he would.
Fred Taylor has 200yard potential in any game. He scares the crap outta me.

If we play well and win it will say quite a bit more than just \"we beat another losing team\"

Dallas will also be a good test. Especially if it means something. They also have a great defense.

We need to play well in both and use it as a springboard into next year.

Hopefully we can land the right free-agents and draft the right players.

saintz08 12-17-2003 10:19 AM

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The most interesting stat :

NEW ORLEANS is 0-2 after a win by 14 or more points this season. (2-5 over the last 3 seasons.)

Has problems keeping focused ????

BayouCajun 12-17-2003 11:10 AM

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Quote:

The most interesting stat :

NEW ORLEANS is 0-2 after a win by 14 or more points this season. (2-5 over the last 3 seasons.)

Has problems keeping focused ????
Something that reflects back to the coaching staff!!!!

rich006 12-17-2003 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Something that reflects back to the coaching staff!!!!
...and the on-field leadership.

JKool 12-17-2003 12:20 PM

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Fun facts #7 and #12 rule! Optimism for next season should abound... and for this season?

Saints08, that was a good stat you pointed out. I think that has been the most convincing point against coaching so far. Something to think about, I\'d say.


Danno 12-17-2003 12:27 PM

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JKool, where you from?
You seem to type with an English accent, if that makes any friggin\' sense at all.

JKool 12-17-2003 02:14 PM

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Canada.

I\'m currently doing graduate work at University of Wisconsin - Madison.

Maybe one or both of those explain my accent?

:D

deadflatbird 12-17-2003 07:23 PM

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YOu can have all the stats in the world but you also need the football gods to shine on you and hope the ball bounces into your hands and not out of Brooks. We have a great team... just the football goods aren\'t watching us this year.

WhoDat 12-18-2003 01:52 PM

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Here\'s an interesting question to go with these interesting facts - how many people think that the Saints will put it all together next year?

I mean last year we were 7-2 through nine games, we led the league in offense, blah blah blah... then we went 2-5 in out last seven losing to 3 last place teams and ending up 9-7 and out of the playoffs. This year we started 1-4 and since have gone 6-3, and now we\'ve got more great stats. Two years ago we were 7-5 before finishing 0-4. In any case, congratulations to the Saints for having some interesting stats.

Now I want to know how many of you think that this team is going to play like the 7-2 team of last year, or even the 6-3 team of this year (who hasn\'t beatten a team with a winning record mind you), for a FULL 16 GAMES next year? The ONLY thing that the Saints have done consistently over the last three seasons is play inconsistently. That is the most telling stat of all, and all this other stuff is little more than an \"interesting\" excuse for banter.

Danno 12-18-2003 02:10 PM

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I think we\'ll have a very good year next year with some basic assumptions...
1. We don\'t have an inordinate (excessive) amount of injuries.
2. We address both CB and LB via free-agency/draft with an above average player.
3. We re-sign Darren Howard. Re-signing Boo wouldn\'t hurt either.

I believe all 3 of those assumptions are necessary for a stellar year next year.

We\'re still a very young team for the most part. I see improvement on the horizon, not regression.

Next pre-season we\'ll be working on fine-tuning a system everyone is familiar with instead of teaching our system to a totally re-vamped defense.

BillyC 12-18-2003 02:16 PM

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I\'ll say this. First, I\'ve already said I would like to see Haslett gone. For one, if we get another coach that is proven, I don\'t see how we can do worse and the rewards would probably outweigh the risks.

With that said, I agree with Danno. IF we can address some needs, I think Haslett CAN get the job done. But, I feel the safe money is on a getting a new coach. I think Haslett and more importantly McCarthy have not done a great job this year. Yeah, they\'ve done a few good things, but I\'m having a lot of trouble remembering what those are.

WhoDat 12-18-2003 02:19 PM

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That\'s interesting Tweek... coming into this year, I thought that for the Saints to have a chance:
1. The defense would need to improve to 15th in the league or better.
2. Brooks would have to become more efficient and make better decisions.
3. Deuce would have to stay healthy and be a force again.

Mind you, I didn\'t think any of those things would happen, but if you ask Billy, every one of those things has come true. Honeslty, I wasn\'t all that concerned about injuries b/c if you asked the coaching staff, you would have heard all about how deep we were.

So, according to Billy all of those things happened, but the Saints didn\'t get better. Hhhmmm... you\'re probably right though, they\'ll be great NEXT YEAR - after all that is the SAINTS motto isn\'t it? Just wait \'til next year.

BillyC 12-18-2003 02:23 PM

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You frustrate me to no end. I\'m not trying to fool anyone here WhoDat. What\'s this \"according to Billy\" all these things have happened :

Quote:

1. The defense would need to improve to 15th in the league or better.
2. Brooks would have to become more efficient and make better decisions.
3. Deuce would have to stay healthy and be a force again.
1. Ahhh. In case you haven\'t noticed the defense is playing just fine.
2. He\'s much more efficent in the PASSING game. Which I said I thought he woud be. It\'s not Haslett\'s fault Brooks fumbled the ball this year.
3. He did stay healthy.

So, yeah, all those things did happen according to ME and happened period.

[Edited on 18/12/2003 by BillyC]

BlackandBlue 12-18-2003 02:34 PM

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Quote:

1. Ahhh. In case you haven\'t noticed the defense is playing just fine.
Our rush defense is ranked 26th. I would hardly consider that as being \"just fine\".

BillyC 12-18-2003 02:46 PM

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Quote:

Quote:

1. Ahhh. In case you haven\'t noticed the defense is playing just fine.
Our rush defense is ranked 26th. I would hardly consider that as being \"just fine\".
This defense has held opponents to 20 or less points in 9-games this year. I call that JUST FINE.

In another game, against the Panthers they allowed 23-points, the only reason they scored 23 is because the game went in overtime.

So, rushing stats are fine and dandy, but I\'ll judge a defense by how many points they give up.

[Edited on 18/12/2003 by BillyC]

Danno 12-18-2003 02:47 PM

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Quote:

That\'s interesting Tweek... coming into this year, I thought that for the Saints to have a chance:
1. The defense would need to improve to 15th in the league or better.
2. Brooks would have to become more efficient and make better decisions.
3. Deuce would have to stay healthy and be a force again.

Mind you, I didn\'t think any of those things would happen, but if you ask Billy, every one of those things has come true. Honeslty, I wasn\'t all that concerned about injuries b/c if you asked the coaching staff, you would have heard all about how deep we were.

So, according to Billy all of those things happened, but the Saints didn\'t get better. Hhhmmm... you\'re probably right though, they\'ll be great NEXT YEAR - after all that is the SAINTS motto isn\'t it? Just wait \'til next year.
Facts:
1. We played 2 games with over 1/2 our starters out on a totally re-built defense, and lost both big.
2. We suffered more injuries than any team in the league (as of week 14, it may have changed since).
3. Officials admitted they screwed us in the Carolina game.
4. While Brooks has improved passing and decision making, his fumbling cost us 2 or 3 games.
5. Our special teams play was absolutely horrible and cost us 2 games easy.

No one saw any of the above happening before the season started. If you say you did, your lying.
Well most of us probably knew we\'d get screwed out of a win or two by the officials somewhere. So I\'ll give you that one.
But that’s a given entering any season with the B&G, so I shoulda just left that off.

BillyC 12-18-2003 02:51 PM

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Danno -- All of that is the ABSOLUTE truth. But, you can\'t win. I don\'t think too many want to look at the TRUTH. They just want CHANGES. It\'s fine to want changes, but it doesn\'t hurt to tell the TRUTH about the team and the coaches.

They\'ll try to lead you to believe ANYTHING to justify making CHANGES!!

BrooksMustGo 12-18-2003 03:23 PM

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You want the TRUTH about this team and coaches?!?!

You can\'t handle the TRUTH!

Sorry, had to be done. :D

Danno 12-18-2003 03:25 PM

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Danno -- All of that is the ABSOLUTE truth. But, you can\'t win. I don\'t think too many want to look at the TRUTH. They just want CHANGES. It\'s fine to want changes, but it doesn\'t hurt to tell the TRUTH about the team and the coaches.

They\'ll try to lead you to believe ANYTHING to justify making CHANGES!!
I think the one thing that will help this team the most is a little consistency in personnel, coaches, and system.
I think a new coaching staff is gonna mean RE-BUILD and we\'re looking at another 7-9, at best. Unless we can land a Parcells type. FAT CHANCE!
But thats my personal opinion. I\'m sure some will disagree.

BlackandBlue 12-18-2003 03:38 PM

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This defense has held opponents to 20 or less points in 9-games this year. I call that JUST FINE.
That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine.

BillyC 12-18-2003 03:40 PM

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That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine.
By all means, do that. I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way?

BayouCajun 12-18-2003 03:55 PM

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Quote:

I think the one thing that will help this team the most is a little consistency in personnel, coaches, and system.
I think a new coaching staff is gonna mean RE-BUILD and we\'re looking at another 7-9, at best. Unless we can land a Parcells type. FAT CHANCE!
But thats my personal opinion. I\'m sure some will disagree.

I feel the same way some times. What if things are just starting to come together. Again the next two games should tell us something. If we start playing inconsist again Has, should go.

[Edited on 18/12/2003 by BayouCajun]

BlackandBlue 12-18-2003 03:56 PM

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I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way?
Wouldn\'t suprise me. Heaven forbid you judge AB under the same light.

BillyC 12-18-2003 04:02 PM

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Wouldn\'t suprise me. Heaven forbid you judge AB under the same light.
Oh, I have. You and others just choose to focus on \"parts\" of what I say about Brooks. I don\'t know what else to say about Brooks to please some folks. Unless, I call for him to get traded or cut. Then I would need to call him stupid, ignorant, blah, blah, blah, .....

Nope. I\'ll tell the WHOLE story and you believe what you want to. Everyone\'s got their opinion B&B. I just see things a little different than you and the masses on here. Believe me, it ain\'t like that everywhere. Only here!!

BayouCajun 12-18-2003 04:02 PM

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Quote:

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That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine.
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By all means, do that. I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way?


If you did that the defense, AB, and Deuce would all be equal because they all do play on the same team.

WhoDat 12-19-2003 04:06 PM

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Thank you Billy, you proved my point fully.

Tweek said:
Quote:

I think we\'ll have a very good year next year with some basic assumptions...
1. We don\'t have an inordinate (excessive) amount of injuries.
2. We address both CB and LB via free-agency/draft with an above average player.
3. We re-sign Darren Howard. Re-signing Boo wouldn\'t hurt either.

I believe all 3 of those assumptions are necessary for a stellar year next year.
I responded by trying to show that I had assumptions for this year too, and although they all came true (to varying degrees) that it still didn\'t change the outcome of this season. Did it?

COming into this season, did you NOT say that the defense would get better, that AB would get better, and that Deuce would have another great year? I believe you did. Now, you argue that all of those things happened - what\'s our record? Did all of those things that YOU and even I said needed to happen for the Saints to be good actually make us good? No. So from where I\'m sitting, as long as Haslett is the coach, I\'m going to have a hard time believing that this team will get to the next level. Why? B/c even when they do what they need to in order to get better, they find a way to drop the ball somewhere else (AB pun completely intended) and fall short of the playoffs. So if all of those things that Tweeky thinks need to happen for us to be better next season come true, will we be in the playoffs? Only if all of our strengths this season don\'t turn into weaknesses next season... but as long as Haslett is the coach, I\'ll have a hard time believing that will happen.

BillyC 12-19-2003 04:26 PM

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WhoDat --

I don\'t like to agree with you too often :D , but I do agree with you about Haslett. No matter who we sign, I will have BIG doubts if Haslett WILL get the job done. I THINK he can, if we sign the right players. But, like I said, I think the smart money is on getting a NEW coach. However, as Danno brought up, that could turn into another rebuilding program.

WhoDat 12-19-2003 04:35 PM

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Yeah... it COULD. But it could also turn into a Jon Gruden a la TB Bucs Super Bowl year. This team is stacked with talent. Some smart personnel moves in the offseason and while we might hit some speed bumps in the beginning of the season, I think a good coach could keep us in striking distance and have us making a run at year end.

Yeah, a rebuilding year would suck... BUT... give me a rebuilding year followed by years of competitiveness and playoffs over years and years of squandered talent and mediocrity any time.

JKool 12-19-2003 06:27 PM

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Wasn\'t this a re-building year? We revamped the entire defense. If we are in favor of a rebuilding year followed by a year of competitiveness, then we ought to shut up about how things are going this year.

Now, I\'ve been on the get-rid-of-Haz bandwagon this week, but what if we play two more great games and consider this a rebuilding year (let alone make the playoffs)? Should we keep Haz next year then?

I have to agree with Danno, the chance that a new coach will send us into yet another rebuilding year is pretty scary to me. I think it would depend on what coaches we were considering to replace Haz (I\'m sure we could check their track record for purging players when the move in). If we could find a coach that is unlikely to purge a bunch o\' the boys, then I might be in favor of that. This team has too many quality guys to just dump a bunch so we can get a new coach.


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