How much money do you think Carl Nicks will get?

papz · 07-20-2011, 07:09 PM

A Jahari Evans type contract?

They are two of the top guards in the league... but that's an insane amount of money invested in our interior line.

biloxi-indian · 07-20-2011, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by papz

A Jahari Evans type contract?

They are two of the top guards in the league... but that's an insane amount of money invested in our interior line.

Papz, until the Saints gave Evans his contract, they had a history of not paying OL. They let a number of good OL players walk in the past. That being said, paying Nicks, and Goody makes sense. They want continuity on the OL. Stinch is a Brees favorite and I do not think he will be replaced this year. Bushrod, imho, can be replaced but will not. If you noticed during the 2010 season, he did receive a lot of help. The short off-season and surgery might not help Brown.

IMHO, the Saints see a 5-year window with Brees and they will do all they can to ensure he has protection...and continuity on the OL helps. I also see Strief as a 5th TE for blocking.

Speedy Ron · 07-20-2011, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Papz, until the Saints gave Evans his contract, they had a history of not paying OL. They let a number of good OL players walk in the past. That being said, paying Nicks, and Goody makes sense. They want continuity on the OL. Stinch is a Brees favorite and I do not think he will be replaced this year. Bushrod, imho, can be replaced but will not. If you noticed during the 2010 season, he did receive a lot of help. The short off-season and surgery might not help Brown.

IMHO, the Saints see a 5-year window with Brees and they will do all they can to ensure he has protection...and continuity on the OL helps. I also see Strief as a 5th TE for blocking.

pay nicks....yes
goody....no

Rugby Saint II · 07-20-2011, 08:25 PM

Loomis will find a way to sign Nicks. I believe Papz is right about the 5 year window. We will probably sign a 6 year deal with him. I don't know how much money Goodwin makes but he has been very good so far(not bad for another journeyman) and I can see him getting a 2-3 year deal but his replacement is already in house. So is Bushrods. I wonder if we will retain the same front line and sign these guys long term. I just don't see that happening though. We could return 4 out of 5 starters along the O line and still make it work.

Danno · 07-20-2011, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Loomis will find a way to sign Nicks. I believe Papz is right about the 5 year window. We will probably sign a 6 year deal with him. I don't know how much money Goodwin makes but he has been very good so far(not bad for another journeyman) and I can see him getting a 2-3 year deal but his replacement is already in house. So is Bushrods. I wonder if we will retain the same front line and sign these guys long term. I just don't see that happening though. We could return 4 out of 5 starters along the O line and still make it work.

Goodwin made nearly 3 million last season. A tad too much in my opinion but it was an uncapped year. I can see Goodwin take a small cut while Tennant develops.

Nicks will probably get close to what Evans makes. And I think much deserved. I think he's a better O-lineman.

Remember, our O-line is a bit different than the stereotypical one. Brees is exceptional at stepping up into the pocket to avoid the outside rush, and we seldom use 5 to 7 step drops so our interior O-linemen are more important than your average teams' are, and our OT's aren't as important as most teams'.

Brees struggles the most when he gets pressure up the gut. Keeping the interior strong benefits his style of play. I can definitely justify our OG's making more than our OT's simply because of the type of protection that benefits Drew Brees the most.

And if you take that to mean OT's aren't important... well you're an idiot.

papz · 07-20-2011, 08:45 PM

Just curious what kind of contract everyone thought he would get. I don't have the rankings in front of me but I believe for the most part of the season, Nicks graded out higher than Evans. If fact I recall for the first 8 weeks, he was the highest graded(if not top 5) in the entire league. But just thinking about the money... wow. Times have changed and G's makes as much if not more than T's these days.

Danno · 07-20-2011, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Just curious what kind of contract everyone thought he would get. I don't have the rankings in front of me but I believe for the most part of the season, Nicks graded out higher than Evans. If fact I recall for the first 8 weeks, he was the highest graded(if not top 5) in the entire league. But just thinking about the money... wow. Times have changed and G's makes as much if not more than T's these days.

It all goes back to the quick stike, quick release 3-step drop offenses that render the outside rush negligible.

Thats why you'll see DT's start making as much as DE's.

Its also why I think the 4-3 will prove to be slightly better base scheme than the 3-4 over the next few years. Of couse the main deciding factor is the alignees, not the alignment.

The Dude · 07-20-2011, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Papz, until the Saints gave Evans his contract, they had a history of not paying OL. They let a number of good OL players walk in the past. That being said, paying Nicks, and Goody makes sense. They want continuity on the OL. Stinch is a Brees favorite and I do not think he will be replaced this year. Bushrod, imho, can be replaced but will not. If you noticed during the 2010 season, he did receive a lot of help. The short off-season and surgery might not help Brown.

IMHO, the Saints see a 5-year window with Brees and they will do all they can to ensure he has protection...and continuity on the OL helps. I also see Strief as a 5th TE for blocking.

With the Saints offensive style and Brees quick release, we actually benifit more from the talent coming from the interior of the line as opposed to the edge. I think we will throw the most money at our guards, in our system they are more important to Brees than the tackles. Bushrod is replaceable and we could actually see us replace him for someone cheaper. I think we will keep Bushrod though. Anyhow that is the reason for the Saints spending more on guards than they historically have.

Edit:
Sorry Danno, I need to start reading the entire thread before I post.

saintfan · 07-20-2011, 11:46 PM

It all starts up front.

Would Emmit have the rushing record behind a lesser line? nope

Would a lesser QB than Aikman won a superbowl or two behind that line? Likely yes

You gotta have the skill players no doubt, but they ain't worth jack without those guys up front. Pay 'em all I say...

SmashMouth · 07-21-2011, 07:05 AM

He'll get at least one more dollar than I make .. maybe more!!!

07-20-2011, 07:09 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	How much money do you think Carl Nicks will get? A Jahari Evans type contract? They are two of the top guards in the league... but that's an insane amount of money invested in our interior line.

07-20-2011, 08:12 PM	#2
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Originally Posted by papz A Jahari Evans type contract? They are two of the top guards in the league... but that's an insane amount of money invested in our interior line. Papz, until the Saints gave Evans his contract, they had a history of not paying OL. They let a number of good OL players walk in the past. That being said, paying Nicks, and Goody makes sense. They want continuity on the OL. Stinch is a Brees favorite and I do not think he will be replaced this year. Bushrod, imho, can be replaced but will not. If you noticed during the 2010 season, he did receive a lot of help. The short off-season and surgery might not help Brown. IMHO, the Saints see a 5-year window with Brees and they will do all they can to ensure he has protection...and continuity on the OL helps. I also see Strief as a 5th TE for blocking.
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07-20-2011, 08:19 PM	#3
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Papz, until the Saints gave Evans his contract, they had a history of not paying OL. They let a number of good OL players walk in the past. That being said, paying Nicks, and Goody makes sense. They want continuity on the OL. Stinch is a Brees favorite and I do not think he will be replaced this year. Bushrod, imho, can be replaced but will not. If you noticed during the 2010 season, he did receive a lot of help. The short off-season and surgery might not help Brown. IMHO, the Saints see a 5-year window with Brees and they will do all they can to ensure he has protection...and continuity on the OL helps. I also see Strief as a 5th TE for blocking. pay nicks....yes goody....no

07-20-2011, 08:25 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,727	Loomis will find a way to sign Nicks. I believe Papz is right about the 5 year window. We will probably sign a 6 year deal with him. I don't know how much money Goodwin makes but he has been very good so far(not bad for another journeyman) and I can see him getting a 2-3 year deal but his replacement is already in house. So is Bushrods. I wonder if we will retain the same front line and sign these guys long term. I just don't see that happening though. We could return 4 out of 5 starters along the O line and still make it work. Danno likes this.
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07-20-2011, 08:37 PM	#5
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Loomis will find a way to sign Nicks. I believe Papz is right about the 5 year window. We will probably sign a 6 year deal with him. I don't know how much money Goodwin makes but he has been very good so far(not bad for another journeyman) and I can see him getting a 2-3 year deal but his replacement is already in house. So is Bushrods. I wonder if we will retain the same front line and sign these guys long term. I just don't see that happening though. We could return 4 out of 5 starters along the O line and still make it work. Goodwin made nearly 3 million last season. A tad too much in my opinion but it was an uncapped year. I can see Goodwin take a small cut while Tennant develops. Nicks will probably get close to what Evans makes. And I think much deserved. I think he's a better O-lineman. Remember, our O-line is a bit different than the stereotypical one. Brees is exceptional at stepping up into the pocket to avoid the outside rush, and we seldom use 5 to 7 step drops so our interior O-linemen are more important than your average teams' are, and our OT's aren't as important as most teams'. Brees struggles the most when he gets pressure up the gut. Keeping the interior strong benefits his style of play. I can definitely justify our OG's making more than our OT's simply because of the type of protection that benefits Drew Brees the most. And if you take that to mean OT's aren't important... well you're an idiot. saintsfan1976 and Rugby Saint II like this.

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07-20-2011, 08:45 PM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	Just curious what kind of contract everyone thought he would get. I don't have the rankings in front of me but I believe for the most part of the season, Nicks graded out higher than Evans. If fact I recall for the first 8 weeks, he was the highest graded(if not top 5) in the entire league. But just thinking about the money... wow. Times have changed and G's makes as much if not more than T's these days.

07-20-2011, 08:51 PM	#7
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by papz Just curious what kind of contract everyone thought he would get. I don't have the rankings in front of me but I believe for the most part of the season, Nicks graded out higher than Evans. If fact I recall for the first 8 weeks, he was the highest graded(if not top 5) in the entire league. But just thinking about the money... wow. Times have changed and G's makes as much if not more than T's these days. It all goes back to the quick stike, quick release 3-step drop offenses that render the outside rush negligible. Thats why you'll see DT's start making as much as DE's. Its also why I think the 4-3 will prove to be slightly better base scheme than the 3-4 over the next few years. Of couse the main deciding factor is the alignees, not the alignment.

07-20-2011, 09:42 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Papz, until the Saints gave Evans his contract, they had a history of not paying OL. They let a number of good OL players walk in the past. That being said, paying Nicks, and Goody makes sense. They want continuity on the OL. Stinch is a Brees favorite and I do not think he will be replaced this year. Bushrod, imho, can be replaced but will not. If you noticed during the 2010 season, he did receive a lot of help. The short off-season and surgery might not help Brown. IMHO, the Saints see a 5-year window with Brees and they will do all they can to ensure he has protection...and continuity on the OL helps. I also see Strief as a 5th TE for blocking. With the Saints offensive style and Brees quick release, we actually benifit more from the talent coming from the interior of the line as opposed to the edge. I think we will throw the most money at our guards, in our system they are more important to Brees than the tackles. Bushrod is replaceable and we could actually see us replace him for someone cheaper. I think we will keep Bushrod though. Anyhow that is the reason for the Saints spending more on guards than they historically have. Edit: Sorry Danno, I need to start reading the entire thread before I post.
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07-20-2011, 11:46 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	It all starts up front. Would Emmit have the rushing record behind a lesser line? nope Would a lesser QB than Aikman won a superbowl or two behind that line? Likely yes You gotta have the skill players no doubt, but they ain't worth jack without those guys up front. Pay 'em all I say...

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