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saintfan 07-22-2011 07:49 PM

What is Heath Evans So Upset About?
 
Roughly his salaries since he joined the NFL:

Seattle:

2001: 209,000 + 452,000 signing bonus
2002: 300,000
2003: 389,000
2004: 628,000

Miami:

2005: 325,000

New England:

2006: 585,000 + 25,000 signing bonus
2007: 595,000 + 250,000 signing bonus
2008: 730,000


New Orleans:

2008: 730,000 + 600,000 signing bonus
2009: 745,000
2010: 755,000

(1 million was guaranteeed. Not sure if he made the incentives to make an extra 500,000)

Total:

5,991,000 + 1,327,000

7,318,000


He's no superstar like Brees. He is an excellent player to be sure, but he's no superstar. 7.3 million, in salary, which doesn't include the other perks I am certain NFL players receive.

I like you Mr Evans. I really do. But I think you should STFU sir. :brood:

Danno 07-22-2011 07:51 PM

What did he say?

saintfan 07-22-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 310324)
What did he say?

He has been one of a handful of players who has been vocal about how the owners have 'pulled a fast one' on the players.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6792552
Of course he's not specific -- none of the players have been specific, and I want to know why. Well, I think I know why...because if there were to be specific about what they don't like we will view them for they are being right now...whiney little ****suckers...

Crusader 07-23-2011 01:00 AM

I had enough of him and now I hope we resign him so we can cut him. I hate when these players say that they have the fans behind them.

alleycat_126 07-23-2011 06:06 AM

I do think he was over verbal about what happened, but how else to you get football starve - crazed fans who don't even give a **** what this is all about not to attack the players about getting back on the field after they have heard that the deal is done. The deal was never done the owners made a tactical move that the players just weren't ready for they waited until the very last hour, and all signed there agreement to ratify the proposal, NOT TO RATIFY THE DEAL. Then they celebrated it with the media, then 4 hours later the NFLPA was given a 500 page document to look over and given an altimatum for a date in which to reform the union.

If you have ever been in a labor dispute you would know how disrespectful that is. Heath, Takeo Spikes, and other player reps do have a lot at stake not so much for themselves, but for the players they represent as well as former and future players. It's like buying a used car in NEW ORLEANS with no car fax history report!!!!!!! LOL

Euphoria 07-23-2011 06:33 AM

Sounds like he is trying to act like he is somebody... but he is a no body who is going to be swept into obscurity when the season finally starts. He's done.

Mardigras9 07-23-2011 08:37 AM

Looks like according to his salary numbers, we got screwed on that one.

saintfan 07-23-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 310389)
I do think he was over verbal about what happened, but how else to you get football starve - crazed fans who don't even give a **** what this is all about not to attack the players about getting back on the field after they have heard that the deal is done. The deal was never done the owners made a tactical move that the players just weren't ready for they waited until the very last hour, and all signed there agreement to ratify the proposal, NOT TO RATIFY THE DEAL. Then they celebrated it with the media, then 4 hours later the NFLPA was given a 500 page document to look over and given an altimatum for a date in which to reform the union.

If you have ever been in a labor dispute you would know how disrespectful that is. Heath, Takeo Spikes, and other player reps do have a lot at stake not so much for themselves, but for the players they represent as well as former and future players. It's like buying a used car in NEW ORLEANS with no car fax history report!!!!!!! LOL

I know what the owners did. Good for them. As you said, it was a tactical move. I applaud it. Heath has indicated the owners tried to pull a fast one. How so? By playing the 'game' by the same rules the other side is playing? There have been any number of tactical moves made by the players too, to include decertification and lawsuits all with the aim of getting the upper hand.

At the very least his statements are hypocritical, no?

But at any rate, all I'm really trying to say to Heath is that, you know, hey, you've made a TON of money off the NFL - the owners AND the fans, so your wife and 7 year old can shop at Macys and Nordstroms. You've averaged over SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR for the last decade. You work for somebody. You don't OWN a damn thing, and you're still not happy?

Don't feed me this "real fans need to know bs". I am a 'real' fan. I know. I know I can hardly afford to take my family to a game. He feels real bad about losing the Hall of Fame game. No, he doesn't. Not a single player does. They want MORE for less output, period.

At some point enough is enough. :brood:

Rugby Saint II 07-23-2011 11:54 AM

I don't understand the feelings toward Heath Evans that I'm reading here. He isn't fighting for more money for him. He is fighting for a better life for not just him but for all the players including the ones that make the league minimum. I'm not upset in the least. The owners are business men who are used to dirty or underhanded business dealings. They tried to pull a fast one but thanks to people like Heath it ain't happening.
We'll have football and I want him back in the black and gold.

Ashley 07-23-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 310431)
I don't understand the feelings toward Heath Evans that I'm reading here. He isn't fighting for more money for him. He is fighting for a better life for not just him but for all the players including the ones that make the league minimum. I'm not upset in the least. The owners are business men who are used to dirty or underhanded business dealings. They tried to pull a fast one but thanks to people like Heath it ain't happening.
We'll have football and I want him back in the black and gold.

I'm with you Rugby, it's a business plan and simple. I really didn't hear anything wrong on what he was saying, other than that crap that came out of his mouth at the end "war eagle"

saintfan 07-23-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 310431)
I don't understand the feelings toward Heath Evans that I'm reading here. He isn't fighting for more money for him. He is fighting for a better life for not just him but for all the players including the ones that make the league minimum. I'm not upset in the least. The owners are business men who are used to dirty or underhanded business dealings. They tried to pull a fast one but thanks to people like Heath it ain't happening.
We'll have football and I want him back in the black and gold.

Because when he tweets "What the 'real' fans need to know" I am offended. This insinuates that I'm not fully aware of what's going on because what? I'm not a 'real' fan? I'm not a 'real' fan unless I side with the players?

Screw him.

I know precisely what's going on - as much as anyone can know who isn't directly involved...as much as I 'can' know. What I know:

The players are well paid
The players were well paid with the old agreement
The players will be well paid with the new agreement
The players will work less with the new agreement
The players will make more with the new agreement
The players, current and former, will be better taken care of, much better in many ways, with the new agreement

Here's what else I know. I know that what they don't like about what the owners have ratified has everything to do with a strategy they are already building up for the next CBA.

What else I know is, in spite of Heath and other players saying they are truly sorry that the HOF game was cancelled, the truth is they don't give a damn. They won't care one iota right up until they start missing game checks.

They don't care about Canton
They don't care about the Vendors
They don't care about the people who have already lost their jobs because of this mess

Heath needs to take his wife and daughter to Macys and Nordstrom this weekend. THAT'S what Heath cares about at the end of the day.

Screw him.

Danno 07-23-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 310469)
I'm with you Rugby, it's a business plan and simple. I really didn't hear anything wrong on what he was saying, other than that crap that came out of his mouth at the end "war eagle"

I didn't hear his comments, but I heard NFLN comment that he's crawfished on them.

It really had nothing to do with players, it was some sort of revenue sharing pot ( a safety stash so to speak) the owners added to help the small market teams compete with the big market teams.

Didn't hear it all but it seemed like a whole lot to do about nothing.


EDIT: Just listened to the whole thing. WTF is the fuss all about? He doesn't sound upset at all and every thing he said was logical and very level headed, well except that war eagle crap at the end.

He sounds no different than every other player who's opened his mouth about this negotiaton.

Boutte 07-23-2011 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 310418)
Sign Vonta Leach...and send Heath packing...when he gets stuffed on the one yard line against the niners...he was done anyway...let him go to ESPN and be a talking head..that seems to be what he wants anyway..

Exactly! And we might not even bring him back this year. He can be replaced. He's not a great blocker. He's not a great runner. He can catch but if all you do is catch 3 yd dump offs that you do nothing with what good is it? Maybe he'll be better after another year to heal.

He's good at keeping his name in the news though.

saintfan 07-23-2011 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 310472)

He sounds no different than every other player who's opened his mouth about this negotiaton.

Well there you go...

iceshack149 07-24-2011 10:40 AM

It seems that you're taking it a little too personally. He's just another guy "fighting for the cause". So what?

I actually like Evans. It seems that he's a leader and a bright player. He's had some great moments as a fullback for the Saints.

I hate this lockout. It's keeping us from talking about football.

saintfan 07-24-2011 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 310573)
It seems that you're taking it a little too personally. He's just another guy "fighting for the cause". So what?

I actually like Evans. It seems that he's a leader and a bright player. He's had some great moments as a fullback for the Saints.

I hate this lockout. It's keeping us from talking about football.

You're right. I am. I'm not happy with myself about it either. Through the whole process I figure, you know, it's rich men haggling over 9 billion dollars. We all knew they'd figure it out eventually, and it would appear as though they have.

But yes, it became personal to me the instant they cancelled the HOF game. Not so much because I linger around all summer waiting on the HOF game. I don't. Rather it was because I know in my heart they simple do not care.

And I guess Heath was wrong about all this "illegal" stuff he said they owners tried to slip in? Sure looks like it...

ALLSAINTS66 07-24-2011 01:06 PM

I stopped listening to pretty much anything he says, b/c of his
constant Bible thumping on his Twitter acct. Tiresome. Almost
as tiresome as Reggie Bush's total inability to use the English
language. What do the they teach those people at USC, anyway?
It ain't* English. It ain't accounting. It apparently ain't even
FOOTBALL. So, WHAT IS IT?!?

*Gratuitous use of "ain't" intended as Southern irony. ; )

jeanpierre 07-24-2011 07:54 PM

From a football perspective - I'd rather have a Brian Leonard (CIN) or Korey Hall (GB)...

Postconcussion syndrome is affecting Evans...

ALLSAINTS66 07-25-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 310681)
Postconcussion syndrome is affecting Evans...

*laughing* That was put SO NICELY. ; )

WhoDat1456 07-26-2011 12:30 PM

Just sounded to me like the guy wanted to be proceed with caution. There was nothing malicious in the tone of his voice. I don't think he mention one thing negative about his salary. This guy even went as far as to say he didn't think there was much more to work out. He was just concerned out the forced time line. It's easy for me to see why someone on the end of a contract negotiation that only been agreed upon by the other side would be alarmed.
HEATH...Do not voice your opinion. If we want that we'll voice it here for YOU !!!!....LOL

saintfan 07-26-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat1456 (Post 311323)
Just sounded to me like the guy wanted to be proceed with caution. There was nothing malicious in the tone of his voice. I don't think he mention one thing negative about his salary. This guy even went as far as to say he didn't think there was much more to work out. He was just concerned out the forced time line. It's easy for me to see why someone on the end of a contract negotiation that only been agreed upon by the other side would be alarmed.
HEATH...Do not voice your opinion. If we want that we'll voice it here for YOU !!!!....LOL

Heath said very specifically that the owners had likely done illegal things with regards to the CBA he and the players ultimately signed off on. Did he say these things without having even read the 500+ page document. You bet he did.

If you open your mouth and stupid stuff comes out you are open to critique. He was a blowhard through the whole thing. I just thought it would be interesting to see how much he's made and to openly ponder what it is, specifically, that he was *****ing about...he was never specific.

Heath Evans: Your 10 minutes are up.


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