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VillainAgain 07-28-2011 06:31 PM

The Villains Free Agency Rant thread
 
I'm baaaaaaack. After months of hiatis contumplating my master plan I'v decided to stray away from it to make this. Rant thread iv got somethings to get off my chest.

1st and foremost. Loomis wtf! Why on earth is Scott Shanle still wearing a FDL? Surely Manny Lawson, and Ernie Simms are a super charged upgrade at OLB! That said Lets go Martez Wilson I like what I see on film.

2nd. Reggie kinda bothered your no longer with the team I'd rather have him then play against him. We've got a solid core of RB' so lets pound the rock we know Drew and the Air show will get down the field.

3rd. RT. John Stinchcomb got his A__ kicked almost all season long. He made Chris Clemmons look like Dwight Freeny in that Debacle of a wildcard game. Need I say more Upgrade this position..

4th. Roman my main man Harper.. Fan favorite liability in coverage. He is a box safety solid tackler WHEN he wraps up! Those shoulder lunges dont help when TE's bounce off for 20+ yard gains. Not a must but Id look to upgrade this position Donte Whitner anyone?

5th. FullBack seeing how the rb position is full of inside in between the tackle runners we'll need a basher. Lawerence Vickers is a beast and availabe, To play for a winner and a fair deal should bring him to town. Get it done Loomis.

Open the flood gates

VillainAgain 07-28-2011 06:38 PM

Speaking of Reggie why did we just donate him to Miami? What exactly.did we exchange with the phins?

alleycat_126 07-28-2011 06:39 PM

WOW! Don't kill him it's early. Give Loomis a little credit. Reggie doesn't end up in our division, or even in the NFC. Moore is resigned, Bushrod resigned Harper is far better than Usama. I gotta agree with you on the Shanle front. So I'll join in with the killing of Loomis on that decision but I gotta think Shanle will be a backup this season vs the starter.

BARNETT, BARNETT, BARNETT, Find the money for sproles, barnett

foreverfan 07-28-2011 06:41 PM

Payton said we saved 15 million by trading Reggie Bush. This was a no brainer.
Payton feels comfortable with Shanle. We can alway cut him if the young guys step up.
Brees feels comfortable with Stinchcomb.
Harper is a freak at tackling. One bad game in Seatle.
Evans is/was a great FB but is getting old. Hopefully he can still play.

You will be happy before Free Agency is over. Your rant doesn't hold water.

Danno 07-28-2011 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 312631)
I'm baaaaaaack. After months of hiatis contumplating my master plan I'v decided to stray away from it to make this. Rant thread iv got somethings to get off my chest.

1st and foremost. Loomis wtf! Why on earth is Scott Shanle still wearing a FDL? Surely Manny Lawson, and Ernie Simms are a super charged upgrade at OLB! That said Lets go Martez Wilson I like what I see on film.

2nd. Reggie kinda bothered your no longer with the team I'd rather have him then play against him. We've got a solid core of RB' so lets pound the rock we know Drew and the Air show will get down the field.

3rd. RT. John Stinchcomb got his A__ kicked almost all season long. He made Chris Clemmons look like Dwight Freeny in that Debacle of a wildcard game. Need I say more Upgrade this position..

4th. Roman my main man Harper.. Fan favorite liability in coverage. He is a box safety solid tackler WHEN he wraps up! Those shoulder lunges dont help when TE's bounce off for 20+ yard gains. Not a must but Id look to upgrade this position Donte Whitner anyone?

5th. FullBack seeing how the rb position is full of inside in between the tackle runners we'll need a basher. Lawerence Vickers is a beast and availabe, To play for a winner and a fair deal should bring him to town. Get it done Loomis.

Open the flood gates

1. Scott Shanle was resigned because no one has proven to be any better. Resigning does not mean he makes the squad
2. Agreed 100%
3. Stinchcomb is a lot better than you give him credit for.
4. Harper excelled agaist TE's all season untill the Seattle game. He's the only defender we have who can cover TE's. Gonzales proved that.
5. I'd love to see McClain (Ravens) brought in at FB.

Danno 07-28-2011 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 312640)
Isnt Barnett a ILB?.....

Yes he is. He'd take Vilma's spot. No thanks.

VillainAgain 07-28-2011 06:47 PM

Lol im not interested in killin Ol' Loomy I just want to know what questionable photos Shanle has of him for him to be back, hes dreadfully slow its disgusting! I'll hold my credit when this SS starts to earn his keep. A proven player for an unkmown is ALWAYS SUSPECT.

|Mitch| 07-28-2011 06:51 PM

Reggie made it clear he wasn't happy here with his tweets. He wouldn't restructure with us, I'd rather trade him and get something the day before we were going to have to release him outright...

We get the S and trading of undisclosed draft picks

VillainAgain 07-28-2011 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 312641)
Payton said we saved 15 million by trading Reggie Bush. This was a no brainer.
Payton feels comfortable with Shanle. We can alway cut him if the young guys step up.
Brees feels comfortable with Stinchcomb.
Harper is a freak at tackling. One bad game in Seatle.
Evans is/was a great FB but is getting old. Hopefully he can still play.

You will be happy before Free Agency is over. Your rant doesn't hold water.

Whoa FF I thought you were my homie. One bad game in Seattle, one bad Game in Chicago, more bad games against carolina. Hes a great tackler. But coverage no. Atlanta and Green Bay are probably plotting how they can abuse him out there. With Greg Olson now in the south he needs to bring his PF Flyers. Im glad Drews comfortable with Stinch over Streif but Stich still gets.his A__ kicked its gross why do you think they bring in Streif to chip on some big body formations. Heath is solid but how often do you get a chance to get a head buster like Vickers? Any man who goes toe to toe with Ray Lewis is a quality idea to persue.

TheEnigma 07-28-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 312631)
I'm baaaaaaack. After months of hiatis contumplating my master plan I'v decided to stray away from it to make this. Rant thread iv got somethings to get off my chest.

1st and foremost. Loomis wtf! Why on earth is Scott Shanle still wearing a FDL? Surely Manny Lawson, and Ernie Simms are a super charged upgrade at OLB! That said Lets go Martez Wilson I like what I see on film.

2nd. Reggie kinda bothered your no longer with the team I'd rather have him then play against him. We've got a solid core of RB' so lets pound the rock we know Drew and the Air show will get down the field.

3rd. RT. John Stinchcomb got his A__ kicked almost all season long. He made Chris Clemmons look like Dwight Freeny in that Debacle of a wildcard game. Need I say more Upgrade this position..

4th. Roman my main man Harper.. Fan favorite liability in coverage. He is a box safety solid tackler WHEN he wraps up! Those shoulder lunges dont help when TE's bounce off for 20+ yard gains. Not a must but Id look to upgrade this position Donte Whitner anyone?

5th. FullBack seeing how the rb position is full of inside in between the tackle runners we'll need a basher. Lawerence Vickers is a beast and availabe, To play for a winner and a fair deal should bring him to town. Get it done Loomis.

Open the flood gates


1) Agree
2) Can't understand the first part of the sentence
3) Agree
4) Agree
5) I don't really care about FB's

foreverfan 07-28-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 312650)
Whoa FF I thought you were my homie. One bad game in Seattle, one bad Game in Chicago, more bad games against carolina. Hes a great tackler. But coverage no. Atlanta and Green Bay are probably plotting how they can abuse him out there. With Greg Olson now in the south he needs to bring his PF Flyers. Im glad Drews comfortable with Stinch over Streif but Stich still gets.his A__ kicked its gross why do you think they bring in Streif to chip on some big body formations. Heath is solid but how often do you get a chance to get a head buster like Vickers? Any man who goes toe to toe with Ray Lewis is a quality idea to persue.

You're wrong on this one buddy...
Go ahead... eat crow. Every player gets beat.
Harper's good far out weighs the bad as this vid proves.
Harper's job isn't to cover WRs.
I'd take him on my team any time.
Harper = Playmaker He's a great SS.
Green Bay is more worried about how they're going to slow us down. ;)


VillainAgain 07-28-2011 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 312713)
You're wrong on this one buddy...
Go ahead... eat crow. Every player gets beat.
Harper's good far out weighs the bad as this vid proves.
Harper's job isn't to cover WRs.
I'd take him on my team any time.
Harper = Playmaker He's a great SS.
Green Bay is more worried about how they're going to slow us down. ;)

Roman Harper Highlights - YouTube

This is highlight film. It shows Harper making plays, few plays in coverage almost all tackles. Again hes a great tackler not so much in coverage. I love my Saints just like anyother fan but the reality is hes suspect in coverage. It doesnt matter what position he has to cover hes the matchup the QB os keeping in mind in his progression. Even when I play madden and I run into a fellow who dat I torch his ass because I know hes a bum In coverage. Remember when Drew was on the cusp of breaking an unattainable record that 3rd- 29 conversion Steve Smith caught on Roman Harper, remember that OT game in Chicago and just like all.game long Pass interference on Roman Harper cost the Season? All im saying is there are other SS's that tackle just as good.and.play well in coverage ie Donte Whitner, Dawan Landry, Brodney Pool, Quinten Mikel

foreverfan 07-28-2011 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 312763)
This is highlight film. It shows Harper making plays, few plays in coverage almost all tackles. Again hes a great tackler not so much in coverage. I love my Saints just like anyother fan but the reality is hes suspect in coverage. It doesnt matter what position he has to cover hes the matchup the QB os keeping in mind in his progression. Even when I play madden and I run into a fellow who dat I torch his ass because I know hes a bum In coverage. Remember when Drew was on the cusp of breaking an unattainable record that 3rd- 29 conversion Steve Smith caught on Roman Harper, remember that OT game in Chicago and just like all.game long Pass interference on Roman Harper cost the Season? All im saying is there are other SS's that tackle just as good.and.play well in coverage ie Donte Whitner, Dawan Landry, Brodney Pool, Quinten Mikel

Did you watch all 10 minutes of the highlight film? Think you could have found that much on any other players not name Vilma? No.

Look you could argue that if the pass rush and the LB play was better that Harper would be exposed to miss matches called by Williams. Yes Harper is a little slow on top end but he gets to maximium speed very quickly too. He has the smarts and is a sure tackler.

In any case, Harper isn't the problem with the defense. When you have a DL that can't put pressure on the QB or a LB corp that only has one playmaker, your SS will be left exposed.

ALL PLAYERS GET BEAT. There are great players on the other side of the ball getting paid too.

Danno 07-28-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 312852)
Lets see how much he is going to want..we might lose him over the Benjamins..no hometown discount from a bama boy...

Yep, I heard some commentators state that he's in roughly in the same ballpark as Weddle, and Weddle broke the bank.

I love Harp, I just can't see him making that kinda jack here with Brees and Nicks coming up next year..

Marlboro Man 07-28-2011 10:43 PM

I don't have the desire or inclination to go back and document every game of the 09, and 10 seasons but Harper needs to be replaced. I rewatched all of the games from those two seasons and just can't understand where anyone feels that Harper is all that good. I can't count how many times Harper was in the hole in position to make the tackle and just wiffed! It's not even funny but if you go back those two seasons and really watch him play, he's definitely not that good and toward the end of last season, teams were beginning to exploit him and his lack of speed and it cost us a playoff game because we couldn't cover him up. We need to get better there plain and simple.

|Mitch| 07-28-2011 10:51 PM

You can't place that 'Hawks playoff game travesty solely on Harpers shoulders.
The defense in its entirety was being abused... Their run game was so effective, G.W. had Harper in the box to stop it most of the game...

VillainAgain 07-29-2011 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 312882)
I don't have the desire or inclination to go back and document every game of the 09, and 10 seasons but Harper needs to be replaced. I rewatched all of the games from those two seasons and just can't understand where anyone feels that Harper is all that good. I can't count how many times Harper was in the hole in position to make the tackle and just wiffed! It's not even funny but if you go back those two seasons and really watch him play, he's definitely not that good and toward the end of last season, teams were beginning to exploit him and his lack of speed and it cost us a playoff game because we couldn't cover him up. We need to get better there plain and simple.

Marlboro Man, Salute! Harpers a gambler when it comes to tackling hes either got it or hes missing. Im not blaming the Debacle on him but if you watched that game you would agree, John Carlson tapped that ass. Theres no way hes getting that outrageous contract Weddle got here in the bayou, you want a tackling machine Bernard Pollard is a a monster hes a better tackler then Harp + you can trust he wont get exposed all game in coverage. Yes every player gets beat SOMETIMES but in the passing game Harper gets beat MOST of the time. And I get Crazy Amped when he makes a play in the passing game further prooving how rare it is.

Danno 07-29-2011 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 313058)
Yes every player gets beat SOMETIMES but in the passing game Harper gets beat MOST of the time.

I disagree 100%. You've got it backwards.

VillainAgain 07-29-2011 09:44 AM

Lol I wish it were so Danno. He gets beat multipleX a game Plain and Simple SS is an Upgradeable position. We cant blame the games on Fred Thomas, We cant blame Games on Josh Bullock, Kevin Kaesvaharn, Jason David ,Tebucky Jones because every player gets beat sometimes? Those guys had productive seasons but got beat, why upgrade those but its blasphemos to upgrade Harper? And to be honest up until GW came to town his ass was looking like he was on the way out. I credit GW using Harper for what hes good for playing in the box..... But not really because every man should know how to play in the box lol

saintsfan1313 07-29-2011 09:51 AM

wow, name dropped Tebucky......that name hasnt been said on here in a looooong time......

wstcstsaint 07-29-2011 09:57 AM

I do like Evans, but I agree if you have a chance at a battering ram like Vickers (reminds me of Iron Head) you have to take a serious look at a position upgrade.
Reggie, Later bro, have fun in Miami when Kim K comes to see you. You did good things in your time here, but he was not consistant (except being injured)
Shanle should have been cut last year. I haven't liked him for years
As long as Brees is comfortable with JS thats fine
Harper is a solid SS, but always should be looking for a possible upgrade.

Budsdrinker 07-29-2011 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1313 (Post 313067)
wow, name dropped Tebucky......that name hasnt been said on here in a looooong time......

And shouldn't be ever again

foreverfan 07-29-2011 04:41 PM

Marlboro Man doesn't even smoke anymore... what does he know. :-D

In any case, We shall see what Harper signs for. Do you really think we could sign somebody better for less? If we in fact can, then I be stupid to not be on board. Harper is a "B" type player who is always on the verge of being an All Pro type player.

Maverick2299 07-29-2011 04:51 PM

The only up grade to Harper in FA right now is Landry. Harper is going to get signed back. The dude went to two Pro-bowls, in the last two years.


The great thing about GW is he knows how to use what he has. Harper great at blitz and tackling...that's what he is there for.

Porter cant tackle for his life, but he is good in coverage.

Its very very very hard to find an all around player for every position.

Even the patriots have weak spots on the D, but there good because they know how to use them.

If you want a D that every position on the field has the best player...play madden. It does not happen in real life.

Could he be up-graded yes, but so could alot of players on the saints because there is always someone better. Harper is a top 10 Strong Safety in the league.

Last two years: Combined tackles 200 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 13 pass deflections, 1 INT, 8 Forced fumbles.

now lets compare to Troy Polamalu over the last two years (Using 2010 and 2008; he was hurt for most of 2009) Combined tackles 136, 1 Sack, 28 Pass deflections, 14 INT,1 Forced fumble. (this guy is a future hall of fame player)

Harper is not that far off. You can make bad and great highlight reels...but I got the stats.


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