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Why are we aquiring so many run stuffers this offseason?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; IMO the objective is to make the other team mostly give up on the run and become mostly one-dimensional with the pass. Once this happens, GW can put in his aggressive blitzing or bizarre coverage schemes to rattle the opposition ...

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Old 08-07-2011, 08:33 AM   #11
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IMO the objective is to make the other team mostly give up on the run and become mostly one-dimensional with the pass. Once this happens, GW can put in his aggressive blitzing or bizarre coverage schemes to rattle the opposition and try to force an incompletion or a takeaway.
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:43 AM   #12
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With our defense, we want teams to throw the ball....

The problem with the passing game is you have only one good thing that can happen and a boat load of things that can go wrong.

Incompletion
Interception
Penalty
Sack
Fumble
Stops the Clock - More possesions for Saints

With the secondary we've accumulated, we are daring people to throw it. Can you say turnover? We have an offense that can get into a shoot out with anyone. Bring it on babby. I trust in Greg Williams & Sean Payton know what they are doing.
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:48 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by foreverfan View Post
With our defense, we want teams to throw the ball....

The problem with the passing game is you have only one good thing that can happen and a boat load of things that can go wrong.

Incompletion
Interception
Offensive Interfearence
Holding
Sack
Fumble
Procedure
Stops the Clock - More possesions for Saints

With the secondary we've accumulated, we are daring people to throw it. Can you say turnover? We have an offense that can get into a shoot out with anyone. Bring it on babby. I trust in Greg Williams & Sean Payton know what they are doing.
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:51 AM   #14
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I'm gonna give you an A+ for content...but I reluctantly have to deduct points for spelling.

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Old 08-07-2011, 09:52 AM   #15
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Worry not dude, this is exactly the right approach if you think about it.

Sedrick Ellis is a great pass rusher from inside. Gregg Williams knows that and that's why he wanted NT types in Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin to use on the D-line to free up Ellis to do his worst this year. Ellis was double teamed most of last year and he still recorded 6 sacks, best of his career so far. Look for Ellis to post up Pro Bowl numbers this year with the help of Rogers and Franklin to free him up.

Cameron Jordan was drafted for his versatility at DE to also be moved inside on passing downs, a lot like they used to do with Charles Grant when he was still a Saint, but now it should be much more effective with Jordan and Ellis in the middle with all their strength and speed together to pinch off the center.

With all that beef in the middle, Rogers and Franklin on 1st and 2nd downs (mostly running downs), and Ellis coming in on 3rd downs for an added pass rush, teams will be faced with a lot of 3rd and longs after not being able to run up the middle on us anymore. This will free up our speedy linebackers, Casillas, Martez Wilson and Vilma as well as Will Smith and Junior Galette or Turk McBride or Alex Brown or Jeff Charleston at DE to get after the QB and rattle his cage on those 3rd and longs.

Meanwhile, we have some of the best corners in the NFL in Greer and Porter as well as depth galore there if any of them go down, plus extreme strength at SS in Roman Harper and FS with Malcolm Jenkins to shut down every option long enough to get the QB down.

Our defense is now so deep at every position that it isn't even funny anymore. If you thought Green Bay's defense was great last year, you haven't seen anything because the Saints will make them look like amateurs this year. Watch!
Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too.

Franklin isn't as fast as Rodgers, but the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle.

I truly think we improved our pass rush just as much as our run stopping ability.

Again, as with everything right now, its all on paper. But this team looks loaded.
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the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle.
Are you calling Shanle a heat seeking missle?
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Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too.

Franklin isn't as fast as Rodgers, but the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle.

I truly think we improved our pass rush just as much as our run stopping ability.

Again, as with everything right now, its all on paper. But this team looks loaded.
To quote you...

"Good stuff bro"!
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Old 08-07-2011, 10:03 AM   #18
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Are you calling Shanle a heat seeking missle?
OK, would you believe... a heat seeking rock?
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Old 08-07-2011, 10:07 AM   #19
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OK, would you believe... a heat seeking rock?
Not to worry...the blur of Harper will blind people from noticing Shanle's tardiness.



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Old 08-07-2011, 10:09 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too.
I seem to remember Rogers giving Drew fits last year in that game. (I kinda think that game was Rogers' resume to Loomis and Payton.)
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