Should Saints be looking for WRs?
 

Colston is hurt again and not practicing or playing.

AA isnt practicing.

That leaves Henderson, Meachem and Moore.

Moore is rock solid

Henderson's up/down production is getting old.

Meachem is a work in progress.

If the running game doesn't produce, the Saints could be looking at a repeat of last year.

Relax. Colston returned to practice today.

So did Porter and he went full go too!

AA not practicing is the norm, so that point is mute.

Colston will be back.

Meachem got a knee to the back in the game, but should be ok.

I'm not worried about Henderson and Moore, both will produce and hopefully Devery can improve from last season.

Roby, Morgan and Fayson are all very viable candidates, and best of all cheap too.

D. Thomas should be reliable, and hopefully Graham will have a break out year... and Lorenzen could be another sleeper.

PT, Sproles and Ingram are all able to also catch the ball.

So all in all I don't think the Saints need to go after a FA WR while I'm not saying that Loomis won't upgrade what they have now if a good opportunity presents itself... I'm just stating that they have enough capable receivers, and most important of all, they have Drew Brees who'll make any receiver good.

I have said it all offseason and I will say it again. Yes. We are not near as deep as most of us think we are at that position, and do not have a true elite receiver. We are going to need one to continue to be legitimate leaders in our division. I would like to bring in jehrico cotchery for this year and address a long term solution via draft or FA.

Cotchery is a steeler...I like what Roby did in the game...and Billings looked ok..but we might have to address that in the draft..

You never say never, but if I had to list the positions we need more help at, WR would be almost dead last.

No, people talk about it all the time. Nothing mute about it.

And Just Say NO To T.O.

Probably the one thing we disagree on...

We lack a "true" #1.

Before you answer "Colston" - where would he be without Brees?

Moore is good. But can he survive outside the slot?

Meachem is good. But is he anything more than a younger Devery Henderson???

I'm beginning to think that our WR's succeeded more from the presence of Reggie Bush than without.

Just a thought...

Brilliant!

I think experienced depth at the position would be a good thing and in the coming weeks I bet some interesting names will become available as the mandatory roster cuts happen. Likely someone good will become a cap casualty. But I don't think there is an "elite" reciver I'd look at (so no TO or Moss) that is going to be available before the start of the season.

I think Colston would still be an excellent #1 on most teams. His body control and block-out ability is exceptional. He doesn't need Brees to succeed.

Moore is cat quick. Brees isn't the only NFL QB who can hit slot WR's.

Meachem is an excellent #2 WR and from all camp reports has improved his game quite a bit.

Henderson is better than a lot of teams #3 or #4 WR.

We also have a lot of young up and comers on the team too. You need your 5th and 6th WR's to play special teams.

Devil's advocate here...

So that's why Colston was drafted so high??

I didn't say Moore was anything moore (get it?) than a "slot receiver" - that's the point. ;)

Meachem. #2. That's my point.

Henderson was always a #3, #4, #5 WR... Payton needed his speed to stretch defenses and that's the major reason he remained on the team. Remember that Meachem was injured when he was drafted.

I don't want to sound like I'm not a fan of our WR crew. I really believe that Billings and Morgan and Arrington and Lorenzen and whoever else are "good enough" receivers to have a shot at making the team B U T Brees's longevity is dramatically extended with a "true" #1 WR.

C'mon SF1976, are you serious?

Does that mean Morgan makes the team?

It doesn't hurt. We only saw a few snaps of these guys, Payton see's them day in and day out.

I can only pull for them.

Does that mean that Brady would be a backup at most if it weren't for Bill's great schemes?

If TO and or Moss could ruin anybody's career, it won't be Brees.

Yes, I'm serious. Would Colston be the player he is now in the NFL w/o Brees?

All of our other WR's have over performed...compared to their respective careers prior to joining the Saints.

From Colston's roster bio:


That can't be all just Brees, there has to be talent there also. If anything, being in the Saints has made Colston invisible to the national media, which is why he is rarely mentioned in any discussion about top WRs in the NFL.

How does this equate out of curiosity? Are you saying Brees would take fewer hits if he had a receiver who was open more often than the current group is because he would get rid of the ball more quickly?

He maka no sense...lol

Jusy want to make sure I get his point.....and don't you start with the TO talk ;)

LOL...I would love to see this board if we did sign Owens..some would say smart move ..others would kill themselves....and miss our 2dat..:D

Didn't say Colston was devoid of talent. Just that having Brees as his QB had more to do with his success in the NFL than anything.

Remember that Colston's first training camp in New Orleans was almost his last.

Having an elite receiver added to our group of WR's certainly wouldn't shorten his career.

Signing him would create a bigger rift on this board than the pro Bush/ anti Bush issue ever did!

Says you...

Yes me...and everyone else..lol

This from the guy who thinks Ivory is our best RB?


;)

To a guy who makes no sense...lol...and as pure runner im sure im not the only one..:D

Receiving to me has more to do with timing. The receivers the Saints have have been together for a good stretch and know where they need to be. Are they among the best talent wise? No. They all have their limitiations from a physical standpoint. But there is no factor for character. Willingness to do what is best for the team without all the glory. Add to that the accuracy of Brees...I don't see how bringing in another receiver talent wise would make this group any better. Our receivers are about as on time on taget as it gets in the NFL as a whole.

Pure runner? lol Okay, strat...

You could be right. I think he is the type of QB who would go through his progressions regardless, so I would think it negligable. But who knows. You could also argue that an "elite" receiver might break bigger plays more often and therby over a season reduce the number of overall offensive snaps a QB would have to take. Again possible. But it could be that having a #1 guy would make a QB hold the ball longer to wait for him to get open as well. All speculation with too many variables.

But on the issue strictly of adding to a QBs longevity, the WR talent has very little to do with things IMO. More likely it is the other way around; a bad QB can quickly shorten a career by leaving a pass over the middle for a WR. OLine and even running backs controling a run game and picking up the blitz have much more impact.

Again, I think they should watch the waiver wire as rosters get cut. I don't know who, but I'm guessing that they could possibly pick up some team's #2 guy from the last few seasons who was let go for cap reasons. A guy with skills and experience could thrive with this team should someone go down.

Ha ha ha! I hear Ochocinco might soon be available....

I say

I think we have a good group and don't see the need for an "elite" reciever, whatever that is. We have a group comitted to working as a group for the good of the team and not for their own stats i'd like it best if we don't start messing with that.

Colston. If it was all Brees, Meatchump and Devery would be awesome. They aren't bad, but they aren't great. It shows in their play. In an offense that spreads the ball around so much, Colston consistently pulls in 1000+ yards and 9-10 TDs a season, year in and year out.

If he wasn't a great receiver, he wouldn't stand out like he does. With a crap QB his height and sure hands would end up seeing him with as good or better numbers than he gets every season, year in and year out, with Drew Brees and the Saints.

That is a great argument, if you are Canton Legend. What he does on the field is irrelevant, because he was drafted in the 7th round and that limits his ability. Being drafted late makes him just a little slower, and a little dumber, and makes it harder for him to catch a ball.

Poor PT23, being undrafted he obviously can't play at all. Just ignore that Super Bowl ring of his, he is stuck on a list with a bunch of other undrafted nobodies who suck just because they were undrafted.

I mean, how did those idiots on the Hall of Fame committee elect Night Train Lane or Warren Moon? Their play was irrelevant, they weren't even drafted so they obviously bite. Night Train's record for INTs by a rookie has only stood for almost 60 years... Get back to me when it stands for 160, you undrafted loser! Kurt Warner? Trash. John Randall? Garbage. Antonio Gates? Rubbish. Jeff Saturday? WORST CENTER EVER! Don't even get me started on Wes Welker. Shoddy wanna-be. The fact that he has a record for most catches in a Super Bowl is a disgrace to every 1st round WR like Meachem out there! Those records should belong to people who are drafted high, not people who go out there and actually perform on the field.

What is the NFL coming to?


Another brilliant point. Remember 6 years ago, when he was a rookie coming from a small school, and almost didn't (but did) make the team. Right before he pulled in 70 receptions for 1,038 yards and 8 TDs? I mean, what take into consideration years of consistently excellent play? He had a rough camp 6 years ago! The guys sucks!

LOL. Nice rant... You're acting like I said Colston isn't a talented receiver. Not at all what I said. He's been an extremely productive player, a hard worker, great character and I'm glad we have him.

I just don't think he would be this kind of player had he not landed in New Orleans. And yes, same could be said about PT.

Landing in the right (or wrong) system will make or break a career.

AJ Green has talent. Drafted before Julio Jones. But he'll suffer for the next 5 seasons in Cleveland while Julio makes the probowl.